Discussion SN and Propranolol

[RightToExit]

I'm just gonna do like .5g. Presumably that will help a bit.

Of propanolol? How did you get it?

 

[Dubs]

Of propanolol? How did you get it?

A friend. I wasn't planning on it but just lucked into it. I really wouldn't be worried about going without it though.

 

[Chantal]

So when people try overdosing on Propranolol and survive, what are the complications after?

Forgive me for the delay in answering (although the question was not addressed to me), I only saw the question today.


Some of the notable complications were altered liver and kidney enzymes and circulation problems. I think the overdose made my mind got slower too, which is not unlikely. As for the heart, so far so good.

Everyone tells me that I escaped this in such health because "God has a plan in my life".

 

[Meant2Die]

Latest info on propranolol from the Nov 2019 Php.. see my post

I agree with Stan its not necessary, but since it might induce unconsciousness quicker I kinda like it, esp since I can get it online pretty easy, vs I don't have access to any benzos like everyone else seems to

 

[Stan]

I agree with Stan its not necessary, but since it might induce unconsciousness quicker I kinda like it, esp since I can get it online pretty easy, vs I don't have access to any benzos like everyone else seems to

There is no logic in his reasoning for why it will bring on unconsciousness quicker. What you want is the unoxygenated blood to get to the brain quicker. You achieve that with a higher heart rate as it is pumping blood around your body quicker. Slowing the heart down only makes the process longer in my opinion.

 

[AnxiouslyDepressed]

I take 40mg x 3 daily... so will take a 40mg dose (perhaps 80mg) 1 hour before SN drink to reduce the sensation of a fast heart rate for anxiety reasons... but agree with @Stan and others who have commented in the past that have it prescribed, it will in no way reduce the time to unconsciousness and has no sedative effects... used to take 80mg before work daily when I was going through a stressful period in my life and it had zero impact on my alertness, just stopped an elevated heart rate, sweaty palms etc.

 

[Meant2Die]

I take 40mg x 3 daily... so will take a 40mg dose (perhaps 80mg) 1 hour before SN drink to reduce the sensation of a fast heart rate for anxiety reasons... but agree with @Stan and others who have commented in the past that have it prescribed, it will in no way reduce the time to unconsciousness and has no sedative effects... used to take 80mg before work daily when I was going through a stressful period in my life and it had zero impact on my alertness, just stopped an elevated heart rate, sweaty palms etc.

I agree with you that I mostly want it for the anxiety reasons. I can only imagine if my heart suddenly starts pounding, just that sensation would spike my actual anxiety even higher, as if it won't be already (even now I get it just thinking about the act sometimes). I used to take propranolol as well, but it was so long ago I don't recall much.

You say you used to take it and it had no affect on your alertness, good to know, but I wonder if that's b/c you stayed within the normal limits. Some sites say anything >1g is basically an overdose. Seems like compounding the large propranolol overdose with the SN is basically like a double whammy.

 

[AnxiouslyDepressed]

I agree with you that I mostly want it for the anxiety reasons. I can only imagine if my heart suddenly starts pounding, just that sensation would spike my actual anxiety even higher, as if it won't be already (even now I get it just thinking about the act sometimes). I used to take propranolol as well, but it was so long ago I don't recall much.

You say you used to take it and it had no affect on your alertness, good to know, but I wonder if that's b/c you stayed within the normal limits. Some sites say anything >1g is basically an overdose. Seems like compounding the large propranolol overdose with the SN is basically is like a double whammy.

Stan made a very good point above that it may actually slow down the time until unconsciousness if the body isn't pumping blood as quickly. A risk I'm willing to take as I can't imagine it would be a dramatic difference time-wise but I agree with you that my heart racing would already high ten my already high anxiety.

The second point you made is entirely plausible and I can't counter it as I genuinely don't know enough about the drug or how higher doses effect people. It's a very fair point that hopefully somebody with more knowledge can chime in on.

 

[Enomis]

There is no logic in his reasoning for why it will bring on unconsciousness quicker. What you want is the unoxygenated blood to get to the brain quicker. You achieve that with a higher heart rate as it is pumping blood around your body quicker. Slowing the heart down only makes the process longer in my opinion.

I think a slowed heart brings less oxygen to the brain and therefore accelerates the time of unconsciousness. Tachycardia is a way for the brain to get more oxygen. it's just my opinion anyway. PPH suggests 2g of propranolol (50 tablets of 40mg)

 

[Daniela]

What you want is the unoxygenated blood to get to the brain quicker. You achieve that with a higher heart rate as it is pumping blood around your body quicker. Slowing the heart down only makes the process longer in my opinion.

This is interesting in light of nitric oxide slowing heart rate, so much so it's administered to treat hypertension. According to @Stan's theory and recent wiki updates, h2 blockers will leave the stomach's production of nitric oxide intact, if not increase it.

I guess the trade off of taking h2 blockers for days prior with the risk of SN absorption getting slower is that it reduces vomiting risk. It's not guaranteed, but studies like this seem to confirm it.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Now this is confusing. I wish someone could post the PPeH Novemver update.

 

[SugarbushMtn]

Skip calcium blocker, beta might be soothing tho. No need for both. Too many pills is going to increase vomit risk. Lower BP and pulse will speed brain anoxia.

 

[Meant2Die]

Now this is confusing. I wish someone could post the PPeH Novemver update.

Sorry you find it confusing, but these are just people's opinions, it's up to you to decide who you think knows better, and to do research outside of the Pph to understand how P works.
Did you see my post (a little higher on this page) in which I direct people to go to my other post about Propranolol? Here's the link again.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...l-and-type-on-benzos-for-sn.24416/post-482817

The reason I am directing you there is bc I posted the pic about propranolol from the Nov2019 Pph there, which is what you want to see. Its just a paragraph, they don't explain it that thoroughly.

I think a slowed heart brings less oxygen to the brain and therefore accelerates the time of unconsciousness. Tachycardia is a way for the brain to get more oxygen. it's just my opinion anyway. PPH suggests 2g of propranolol (50 tablets of 40mg)

Personally, I agree with this statement. But, its just my opinion. :)

 

[a.n.kirillov]

I've seen that but thanks. Sometimes Nitschke seems like a f**king crackpot to me. I mean why the need for 2 grams, which is a massive overdose, instead of just a double or triple dose of what's considered normal? He doesn't share whether or not he observed this effect of propanolol in any SN poisonings, he doesn't cite any studies or explain any details on the mechanism.. he just makes seemingly unsubstantiated claims.

On the other hand, he doesn't really have any other way of doing research than letting us and his exit folks experiment on themselves... It's not like he could do studies on it.

 

[BPD_LE]

Sometimes Nitschke seems like a f**king crackpot to me.

Made me lol! Agreed, 2 grams is just an absurd amount. I'm on 80mg slow release daily. I'll be taking that as usual and top up with 3 x 20mg 45mins before SN.

 

[letmeseethedeath]

Propranolol could be good idea before taking SN? Around 20% - 50% methemoglobin may cause symptoms such as respiratory distress, dizziness, headache, fatigue and tachycardia. Taking propranolol and beta blockers (verapamil) can work before loss of consciousness? Also low heartbeat can lead to earlier unconsciousness? I have read that propranolol also suppresses extreme excitement. It can help suppress life instinct. Maybe 20mg of propranolol and verapamil? think to take "apranax forte" for headache. But too many pills now!!! Is this good idea?

Meto 30-40 mg stat (1 hour before SN) (48 hours meto regime ofc)
Apranax forte - painkiller (2 hour before SN)
Propranolol (1 hour before SN)
Verapamil (1 hour before SN)
Acid Regulator (45 mins before SN)

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on the PPH i just read this morning said that we can take a glass of 5mg of dissolved sodium bicarbonate to increase the PH in the stomach for a rapid gut absorption and achieve a peaceful death