Shotgun Placement

[Kbeau]

Question about shotgun in mouth (00 buckshot) Excuse my ignorance but are we shooting into the hard palate or soft palate? Might be related, but I see conflicting information on angle. I think I've seen like 12 degrees and 45 degrees referenced. Any help? I posted on the Megathread but no response.

Also, is it fair to say that neither issue matters too much with a shotgun and 00 buckshot?

 

[deadbidaylight]

I believe you want to be aiming at the soft palate.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

With buckshot, doubt it matters, really. Here's a ref, but angle isn't defined.

 

[Ixtab69]

the bigger the caliber the less (within reasonable limits) angle matters.-a slightly upward angle of mathematically about 20 to 30 degrees will do.This is nothing to do with hard or soft palate at all,taking into consideration the wide scale of anatomical variances.

I believe you want to be aiming at the soft palate.

Imho this question deserves a knowledgable or rather science-based answer instead of a mere assumption!No offense intended,but beliefs belong-if at all-in church

 

[Kbeau]

the bigger the caliber the less (within reasonable limits) angle matters.-a slightly upward angle of mathematically about 20 to 30 degrees will do.This is nothing to do with hard or soft palate at all,taking into consideration the wide scale of anatomical variances.

Imho this question deserves a knowledgable or rather science-based answer instead of a mere assumption!No offense intended,but beliefs belong-if at all-in church

Ha, yes, thank you. I only want to do this once!!

 

[deadbidaylight]

the bigger the caliber the less (within reasonable limits) angle matters.-a slightly upward angle of mathematically about 20 to 30 degrees will do.This is nothing to do with hard or soft palate at all,taking into consideration the wide scale of anatomical variances.

Imho this question deserves a knowledgable or rather science-based answer instead of a mere assumption!No offense intended,but beliefs belong-if at all-in church

Sorry. This is what I've read. I'm not a scientist so

 

[Kbeau]

Sorry. This is what I've read. I'm not a scientist so

Ty!

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Question about shotgun in mouth (00 buckshot) Excuse my ignorance but are we shooting into the hard palate or soft palate? Might be related, but I see conflicting information on angle. I think I've seen like 12 degrees and 45 degrees referenced. Any help? I posted on the Megathread but no response.

Also, is it fair to say that neither issue matters too much with a shotgun and 00 buckshot?

Read thru that firearm megathread - even the beginning of it - yes in the mouth pointed a little upward - and no, i don't think the angle is too critically important with a 12 gauge (thats probably what you have) 00 buckshot in the mouth. Has *anyone* ever survived that? Yes i know ppl have survived the under the chin thing. That's the method that most commonly gets messed up. But in the mouth, i would thing the gas blast alone would destroy your head, never mind the shell itself! Once i read that if you fill your mouth with water first your whole head would explode, but i only read that once and I don't know if it's true, nor do I quite know how you'd go about holding water in your mouth plus a shotgun barrel.

 

[fadsfdsafdsa]

The angle is not that important when it comes to a 12 gauge shotgun, so it probably shouldn't matter too much.

 

[FishRain3469]

Agreed 110% .... With a 12ga. The angle won't matter too much. So long as you don't put the barrel to your chin or some stupid shit, it will be Game Over.

 

[CantTurnBack]

Beyond the angle, it's also worth comparing the ballistic difference in size and pellet density between the different types of Buckshot shells:

Spoiler: Buckshot Comparison

Image source: https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/home-defense-buckshot-which-size-is-best/

At point-blank range 00 Buckshot acts more as a solid slug, while the #1 Buckshot has more pellets creating a wider spread with more wound channels.

 

[Kbeau]

Beyond the angle, it's also worth comparing the ballistic difference in size and pellet density between the different types of Buckshot shells:

Spoiler: Buckshot Comparison

Image source: https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/home-defense-buckshot-which-size-is-best/

At point-blank range 00 Buckshot acts more as a solid slug, while the #1 Buckshot has more pellets creating a wider spread with more wound channels.

Thank you, I didn't know that!

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Beyond the angle, it's also worth comparing the ballistic difference in size and pellet density between the different types of Buckshot shells:

Spoiler: Buckshot Comparison

Image source: https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/home-defense-buckshot-which-size-is-best/

At point-blank range 00 Buckshot acts more as a solid slug, while the #1 Buckshot has more pellets creating a wider spread with more wound channels.

At point blank range they all act like a solid slug. It takes considerable distance before they spread apart. I don't suppose it makes any difference whether you use bird shot or buckshot or a slug. I'd choose the biggest shell my shotgun could handle. In a 12 guage maybe 3 or 3 1/2" . But that probably doesn't matter either. Any shotgun deep in the mouth and pointed a little upward should give you a quick boost to the next world. So far I haven't mustered up the courage to pull the trigger, though. Just moving my finger one little inch...so hard...

 

[wham311]

How much force is required to pull the trigger on the shotgun and anything I can do to prevent flinchjng

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

How much force is required to pull the trigger on the shotgun and anything I can do to prevent flinchjng

to prevent flinching i would practice dry firing as much as i can. dry firing is firing the shotgun without any ammo and moving finger very slowly on trigger, keeping everything else perfectly still .


found this . looks like the brain is destroyed 2 milliseconds to 4 milliseconds after shotgun slug hits skull at point blank range. so imo no pain . the brain can't register pain in 2 ms nor even 4ms. the brain will be at least partly destroyed in that time so can't function to create pain imo.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Destruction-of-the-skull-model-by-the-shotgun-slug-Explosive-character-suppresses-normal_fig1_334627023

the link below says the earliest time pain is registered in the brain is 100ms which is far above the 6 ms the brain is destroyed already by the shotgun slug

100 milliseconds is 1/10 of the second which seems about right but the brain is already destroyed as that image showed 6 milliseconds already destroyed

This image is really small but at the link above you can see a bigger image

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.182272899

 

[wham311]

to prevent flinching i would practice dry firing as much as i can. dry firing is firing the shotgun without any ammo and moving finger very slowly on trigger, keeping everything else perfectly still .


found this . looks like the brain is destroyed 2 milliseconds to 4 milliseconds after shotgun slug hits skull at point blank range. so imo no pain . the brain can't register pain in 2 ms nor even 4ms. the brain will be at least partly destroyed in that time so can't function to create pain imo.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Destruction-of-the-skull-model-by-the-shotgun-slug-Explosive-character-suppresses-normal_fig1_334627023

Just really hard to hit that small spot.

 

[galaxid]

to prevent flinching i would practice dry firing as much as i can. dry firing is firing the shotgun without any ammo and moving finger very slowly on trigger, keeping everything else perfectly still .


found this . looks like the brain is destroyed 2 milliseconds to 4 milliseconds after shotgun slug hits skull at point blank range. so imo no pain . the brain can't register pain in 2 ms nor even 4ms. the brain will be at least partly destroyed in that time so can't function to create pain imo.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Destruction-of-the-skull-model-by-the-shotgun-slug-Explosive-character-suppresses-normal_fig1_334627023

Boy do I wish I could stomach using a shotgun. I'd like to be dead in 2 to 4 milliseconds.

 

[Kbeau]

to prevent flinching i would practice dry firing as much as i can. dry firing is firing the shotgun without any ammo and moving finger very slowly on trigger, keeping everything else perfectly still .


found this . looks like the brain is destroyed 2 milliseconds to 4 milliseconds after shotgun slug hits skull at point blank range. so imo no pain . the brain can't register pain in 2 ms nor even 4ms. the brain will be at least partly destroyed in that time so can't function to create pain imo.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Destruction-of-the-skull-model-by-the-shotgun-slug-Explosive-character-suppresses-normal_fig1_334627023

the link below says the earliest time pain is registered in the brain is 100ms which is far above the 6 ms the brain is destroyed already by the shotgun slug

100 milliseconds is 1/10 of the second which seems about right but the brain is already destroyed as that image showed 6 milliseconds already destroyed

This image is really small but at the link above you can see a bigger image

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.182272899

If you know: a) is dry firing the same trigger pressure as live firing (I assume it is) and b) does one hold the shotgun upside down and and pull the trigger with the thumb?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

If you know: a) is dry firing the same trigger pressure as live firing (I assume it is) and b) does one hold the shotgun upside down and and pull the trigger with the thumb?

Yeah i think it's the same trigger pressure .

i think it's just aiming for the brainstem no matter how you hold the shotgun . look at images of the brainstem brain inside the skull and make sure the barrel is pointed to the brainstem

 

[Kbeau]

Boy do I wish I could stomach using a shotgun. I'd like to be dead in 2 to 4 milliseconds.

Stomach meaning what? Just the process/ability to do or concern about the aftermath/mess? I ask because I do vacilitate between exit bag and shotgun. If I knew exit bag would work with no gasping for air I would do that, but I question that and then think, just use a fucking shotgun to be sure you ctb

 

[galaxid]

Stomach meaning what? Just the process/ability to do or concern about the aftermath/mess? I ask because I do vacilitate between exit bag and shotgun. If I knew exit bag would work with no gasping for air I would do that, but I question that and then think, just use a fucking shotgun to be sure you ctb

In the moment I don't think the mess would be much of a concern. I'm more like. I have to buy a shotgun? I have to use a shotgun? I've never even looked at a shotgun before. Ive never seen one in person. I don't know how to store it, how to hide it, where to do either of those things! I also feel less like I look like i'm ready to blow my own head off. But y'know. I don't want to fuck it up, either.

Also yeah exit bags scare me a lot. The margin for error is so huge in comparison, and all the instructions I've found are way too convoluted for me in any state to do properly. At least, I'm not confident I could.

 

[Kbeau]

In the moment I don't think the mess would be much of a concern. I'm more like. I have to buy a shotgun? I have to use a shotgun? I've never even looked at a shotgun before. Ive never seen one in person. I don't know how to store it, how to hide it, where to do either of those things! I also feel less like I look like i'm ready to blow my own head off. But y'know. I don't want to fuck it up, either.

Also yeah exit bags scare me a lot. The margin for error is so huge in comparison, and all the instructions I've found are way too convoluted for me in any state to do properly. At least, I'm not confident I could.

I'm with you on guns. Don't own and never used one. Have no idea how to load, etc. But, unlike so many folks here, I'm guess I'm lucky I can get one living in the US, and they are very lethal so that's my draw. Unfortunately no methods are very appealing. Honestly, it's cruel that we all have to resort to shit like this. I'm 55. I feel like I should be able to just say to the government, I'm done/all good, let a doctor take me out.

 

[wham311]

Shooting through back of skull is going to reduce success rate because it's harder material to get through right?

 

[wham311]

Beyond the angle, it's also worth comparing the ballistic difference in size and pellet density between the different types of Buckshot shells:

Spoiler: Buckshot Comparison

Image source: https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/home-defense-buckshot-which-size-is-best/

At point-blank range 00 Buckshot acts more as a solid slug, while the #1 Buckshot has more pellets creating a wider spread with more wound channels.

So since the stem is small shouldn't you go with 4

 

[reimu]

Does the type of ammo really matter that much? Like is there just a general location that could be shot at that'd ensure the success of the shot? I feel like a lot of bullets directly going through the brain would almost certainly do the trick, would it not? My apologies if this question is dumb, I'm inexperienced on the topic and just want to make sure that it works when I go ahead and do it. Thankyou

 

[SomewhatLoved]

With buckshot, doubt it matters, really. Here's a ref, but angle isn't defined.

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The yellow thing highlighted here is your medulla oblongata. It controls your breathing, heart rate, blood pressure, etc.

If you blow a hole through it, you're done. No doctor can save you. This is what we call an "injury incompatible with life". Depending how "visible" the damage is or how clear it is where you hit with the shot, they may not even try CPR on you.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Does the type of ammo really matter that much? Like is there just a general location that could be shot at that'd ensure the success of the shot? I feel like a lot of bullets directly going through the brain would almost certainly do the trick, would it not? My apologies if this question is dumb, I'm inexperienced on the topic and just want to make sure that it works when I go ahead and do it. Thankyou

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...l-on-how-to-shoot-yourself-in-the-head.50269/