Scared to go to hell or reincarnation - Anyone else?

[Puppy]

Hey. I never really post I just read a lot on here so I am sorry if this post isnt appropriate or offensive or just annoying. I am also sorry if I don't make any sense.

I'm religious which I am always nervous to say cause some people think it's impossible to be religious and still want to end my life. I was wondering if anyone else here is religious and/or fears Hell or reincarnation or anything except for going to Heaven. I just want to be in Heaven I cant keep doing this I hope my method works but so scared to go anywhere but Heaven if it does work. Anyone relate? What are your thoughts Thank you for taking the time to read this

 

[PrettyMoose]

I'm religious which I am always nervous to say cause some people think it's impossible to be religious and still want to end my life.

I'm not religious and I can say that it is ridiculous for people to say that someone who is religious can't want to end their life. It shows that they know nothing about actual cases of suicide.

Another young pastor advocating for mental health dies by suicide

Jarrid Wilson, a young pastor at Greg Laurie's Southern California megachurch Harvest Christian Fellowship who was known for his mental health advocacy, died by suicide, the church announced this week.

www.latimes.com

 

[Michael1127]

Unfortunately u have to go through the process of reincarnation ... That is the process of the soul to learn ,,what it could have made better"

 

[Puppy]

I'm not religious and I can say that it is ridiculous for people to say that someone who is religious can't want to end their life. It shows that they know nothing about actual cases of suicide.

Another young pastor advocating for mental health dies by suicide

Jarrid Wilson, a young pastor at Greg Laurie's Southern California megachurch Harvest Christian Fellowship who was known for his mental health advocacy, died by suicide, the church announced this week.

www.latimes.com

Thank you for saying this and sharing the article. I agree it is ridiculous.

 

[Apathy79]

It's certainly less common - as you'll see here the ratio of atheists to anything else is drastically higher than regular society. But it's far from unique, and there are a few threads here with similar concerns.

In terms of where you'll go, I think how you behaved throughout your life will determine it, not how it ends.

 

[Michael1127]

It's certainly less common - as you'll see here the ratio of atheists to anything else is drastically higher than regular society. But it's far from unique, and there are a few threads here with similar concerns.

In terms of where you'll go, I think how you behaved throughout your life will determine it, not how it ends.

I recon you the ,,wisest" men on the planet

 

[Arrow]

I find it incredibly hard to believe a god that literally knows everything would force its creation to suffer so much that it actually wants to end its own life, only to punish its creation for doing so despite the god being in control of everything. hell sounds like it would be scary and all but i'm not convinced it's a real thing.

 

[Michael1127]

I find it incredibly hard to believe a god that literally knows everything would force its creation to suffer so much that it actually wants to end its own life, only to punish its creation for doing so despite the god being in control of everything. hell sounds like it would be scary and all but i'm not convinced it's a real thing.

Yeah ... But you are you own god ... Your own creator ... We are all one - but each of us is at a different stage individually ...

 

[Mr2005]

Hell is real as is heaven and they're both right here, that's what I think. It also stands to reason that if reincarnation is real (which isn't unfeasible) then you'll go to heaven or hell because you'll come back here again. I think this is all there is

 

[Michael1127]

Yeah ... But you are you own god ... Your own creator ... We are all one - but each of us is at a different stage individually ...

... You have been here already a ,,few times" ... But most of us (over 90 percent) can't remember, because their left unconscious ... But we are all nothing but Consciousness - That means growing - You are not the person - You are Consciousnesses - You are not the person ... The one in front of you is just a different version of yourself - no matter if male or female - we have to balance both energies ... But that is more simple said then ,,lived" in this messed up world ...

 

[muffin222]

YES. I'm conflicted at times over whether ctb is a real solution to my problems because I fear possibly going through with it only to be immediately reincarnated into another life. Another life with possibly even the same sort of issues. It sounds silly, perhaps, but the possibility genuinely distresses me. Unfortunately, there's no way to ascertain for sure, so I suppose I'd just have to take the risk if I decided to go through it. I've been pondering this a lot recently

 

[art711]

There is no reincarnation. There is no hell. Just as there's no Santa Claus. All made up stories. Wake up. There was no you before you were born. There will be no you after you're dead. This is it.

 

[Michael1127]

There is no reincarnation. There is no hell. Just as there's no Santa Claus. All made up stories. Wake up. There was no you before you were born. There will be no you after you're dead. This is it.

Unfortunately you not woke up yet ... But we all want to go back to sleep ... We want to be unconscious ... We deny the growth because it is so painful ... But you can't ,,go" back ... For that spiritual reason it is suicide what we take ... Unfortunately for our loved ones ...

 

[Apathy79]

YES. I'm conflicted at times over whether ctb is a real solution to my problems because I fear possibly going through with it only to be immediately reincarnated into another life. Another life with possibly even the same sort of issues. It sounds silly, perhaps, but the possibility genuinely distresses me. Unfortunately, there's no way to ascertain for sure, so I suppose I'd just have to take the risk if I decided to go through it. I've been pondering this a lot recently

I expect that's what will happen too.

 

[art711]

Unfortunately you not woke up yet ... But we all want to go back to sleep ... We want to be unconscious ... We deny the growth because it is so painful ... But you can't ,,go" back ... For that spiritual reason it is suicide what we take ... Unfortunately for our loved ones ...

If you're so sure show some scientific evidence. You can't. It's all made up.

 

[Michael1127]

If you're so sure show some scientific evidence. You can't. It's all made up.

We all have forgotten

 

[Arrow]

We all have forgotten

but the problem is you can't actually prove anything you're saying. reincarnation might totally be a real thing, but if there's no way to back it up with any kind of evidence, unfortunately, there's not a reason to believe it.

 

[art711]

We all have forgotten

It's all stories. Humans have been telling stories since we were hunter gatherers. We love stories and making shit up. If you say it with enough conviction you can build mega churches, religions can spread like mind viruses across societies.

 

[moodygrl]

I was raised atheist and Im kinda grateful I dont believe there is anything after death. Im not saying that to upset anybody, cause I think religion can be a nice place for people to learn morale and peace, Im just grateful there is one less thing for me to worry about.

 

[Erdapfel]

I'm not religious, but I'm still afraid of hell. I'm still afraid of death and the unknown. I'm even afraid of live. Basicly anything could happen.
Being atheist doesn't mean that one believes in nothingness, but that one doesn't believe in anything. Fact is that we can't know. We can't know that nothingness will happen after death. There is no evidence either. We don't even know exactly when life begins, how could we know when it ends?

 

[Apathy79]

I'm not religious, but I'm still afraid of hell. I'm still afraid of death and the unknown. I'm even afraid of live. Basicly anything could happen.
Being atheist doesn't mean that one believes in nothingness, but that one doesn't believe in anything. Fact is that we can't know. We can't know that nothingness will happen after death. There is no evidence either. We don't even know exactly when life begins, how could we know when it ends?

That's agnosticism. Atheism is the belief in no deity.

When I was in undergrad, I briefly took the rebellious atheist path against particularly the old testament God, before quickly retracting and becoming what I saw as a more sophisticated agnostic. A startling near death experience prompted study of religions again and over time it became clear that what they were talking about was mirrored in my own life. I eventually did a Masters in Comparative Theology to delve into it much more deeply, and my thesis focused entirely on one statement I'd read in William James' Varieties of Religious Experience, which, paraphrased, was that the description of the enlightened state in every religion and philosophy throughout all times and cultures has been identical, despite no contact or reference with each other. I ultimately found that to be true, and in fact even in weird now defunct philosophies like Zoroastrianism exactly the same description was used. Moreover, the pathway seemed to be identical as well, and one common thread was how karma played out over multiple lifetimes.

So I knew there was something to it, and when I started viewing all issues in my life where I previously fell into feeling like a poor victim as things I'd committed on others in previous lives and needed to resolve, things starting shifting almost incredibly. Forgiveness of myself and others became easy, and everything in the world made sense - why some people start off in such horrific circumstances while others seem incredibly lucky was clear and what we do here will determine which category we gravitate towards next time, until we're ready to take that final onerous leap to the next domain. The realisation particularly that everyone is exactly where they need to be at all times on the board, just by the nature of its design was startling.

Everyone will believe what they believe, and ultimately none will be proved right while we're here, but of the options available there's certainly merit in reincarnation. I think it's the most likely outcome. But it's not something to fear - it's just the next step in our evolution.

 

[disconnection]

If you're so sure show some scientific evidence. You can't. It's all made up.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...
None of us know. Some have an intuition that there are other lives beyond this. What I don't get is when people say with certainty one way or the other.

 

[Erdapfel]

That's agnosticism. Atheism is the belief in no deity.

Thanks. Didn't know that. Then I'm probably an agnostic.

 

[Gaius_Baltar]

Atheist is a weird way to identify ... it simply means without theism but you don't call people adoctors or apilots if they are neither doctor nor pilot...

I have no religion in the usual sense and abhor organized religion but i do have some real doubts about consciousness and what it is exactly and what happens to our perception of reality post death

i suspect our minds tap into consciousness since nobody can prove that consciousness is created or secreted by the brain ....
My gut feeling is that our consciousness survives somehow but screwed if i know in what manner ..

for a really good insight into this theory, i can't recommend donald hoffman's work highly enough

this is a really good interview because it is one of the few where the interviewer (a Medical doctor) seemed properly in tune with the subject

 

[Kumachan]

If you believe in learning and growing, dont you think that CTB would be an absolutely valuable experience? On the other hand, god punishing its own creation for eternity is not logical or just and is predicated on "free will" - another bogus idea

 

[codewarrior]

I find it incredibly hard to believe a god that literally knows everything would force its creation to suffer so much that it actually wants to end its own life, only to punish its creation for doing so despite the god being in control of everything. hell sounds like it would be scary and all but i'm not convinced it's a real thing.

We often fail to understand that sometimes its not God but our own actions and collective actions of society that make us suffer. God would not come down but only make ways and leaves onto us on which road to take. We were gifted with beautiful nature. It's human greed which affects a lot. Its we humans who have created far mess in form of Capitalism, job issues, high education fees, loans, peer pressure, materialistic chase etc. Just open up history and you would find the greed for power and control has resulted in chaos over times. In Modern world, its all about controlling resources. One who has money makes the rules. Money is God in Materialistic world.


Sufferings are personal, they make or break you for sure but gives you an experience of life to carry. What all matters that when you die, you should be atleast satisfied that you have tried but things didnt worked out your way. Beyond that heaven or hell or reincarnation it doesnt matter. Even there are stupid guys on earth, who have never created difference in anyones life, never valued a woman blasts themselves thinking of 72 virgins in heaven or people who ended up just because one girl rejected. Question is if he is not able to do any positive deed to anyone, how can he expect to be in Heaven or have a great life in reincarnation? What really matters is your karmic actions. You are in control of your actions but not the results of your deeds. Leave all the shit of heaven or hell behind, or reincarnation. Live your present. And if you really want to worry, then you should be worried that even in your next life you have to study again those quadratic equations, those theorems, your childhood burdened at once to study what all that exists in biology, prepare compete, write exams which tests your memory more than your intellectual ability etc. this is more scarier.

 

[peabs]

Hey. I never really post I just read a lot on here so I am sorry if this post isnt appropriate or offensive or just annoying. I am also sorry if I don't make any sense.

I'm religious which I am always nervous to say cause some people think it's impossible to be religious and still want to end my life. I was wondering if anyone else here is religious and/or fears Hell or reincarnation or anything except for going to Heaven. I just want to be in Heaven I cant keep doing this I hope my method works but so scared to go anywhere but Heaven if it does work. Anyone relate? What are your thoughts Thank you for taking the time to read this

I recently came to believe in God (but as this is personal for every individual, I'd never try to make another person believe).
My belief is that we will be forgiven in death if our hearts were good in life.
If you are in such pain that you want to die, odds are you have a sensitive (good) heart and God knows it.
That's just me.

 

[Kumachan]

I recently came to believe in God

My belief is that we will be forgiven in death if our hearts were good in life.

Do you believe in that you have "free will" because if we are not free there isnt much sense in punishing is there?

Being born with good or bad heart is not up to me really, or lets say I was born stupid and made some really bad choices then what? Can we reconcile the idea of all knowing Creator with the idea of punishment and free will?

 

[Jumper Geo]

Hey. I never really post I just read a lot on here so I am sorry if this post isnt appropriate or offensive or just annoying. I am also sorry if I don't make any sense.

I'm religious which I am always nervous to say cause some people think it's impossible to be religious and still want to end my life. I was wondering if anyone else here is religious and/or fears Hell or reincarnation or anything except for going to Heaven. I just want to be in Heaven I cant keep doing this I hope my method works but so scared to go anywhere but Heaven if it does work. Anyone relate? What are your thoughts Thank you for taking the time to read this

To be honest I wouldn't worry about HELL, I like the phrase, "HELL on Earth" which I think is true, what comes afterwards is paradise even if there is nothing, no one will complain, lol have a look at the links below, for one Jesus died for our sins, plus if you look at the YouTube video firstly you will be shocked but secondly you will wonder why they ain't scared of going to HELL.

Reincarnation technically doesn't exist I believe in rebirth which there are thousands of documented cases but you haven't got to worry as you are a different person who will encounter different challenges in life, if true.

Well I hope you will feel a bit better after reading all this information, there is also a lot of information in the off topic Afterlife thread.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/pope-francis-and-hell

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[MyStateKilledMe]

If the notion of hell scares you, read my signature! (The Christian-style capitalization is used ironically; I'm not Christian.)

The stereotypical hell where CTB'ers allegedly go is nowhere near as bad as the hell they're leaving for good. When you die, your pain receptors stay with your physical body, which is buried with dignity in a cemetery. (Hundreds of years ago, the body of a CTB'er was dumped into a ravine or buried in an unmarked grave, but this is no longer true today.) Souls don't have nerve cells or pain receptors, just emotions. So a lake of fire is nothing. It may feel uncomfortable for whatever reason, but the physical world we live in is 100000000 times worse.

Dante takes a very negative view of CTB; he puts suicidals in the Seventh Circle of Hell. He says that the suicidals are punished by encasing them into trees, to be picked at by harpies (a mythical bird). But that's mostly physical pain, which is a non-issue when you don't have a physical body. Besides, this sounds like a mild annoyance at worst, compared to my real-life reality now. (At the same time, Dante is spot-on about betrayal being the worst sin of all, and many of us have been betrayed; he puts traitors in the Ninth Circle, and punishes the traitors by fully encasing them in ice under heavy sleet, where they're unable to move.)