Discussion Religion carries a message?

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You missed the side profile of a smiling man in upper left and the man with huge eye brows. ;) I think that everyone see 12 + some extra noses, lips, eyes (not whole face). Humans are prone to see faces and in this most are clear.

My answer to the test -I can see the faces in the picture, their number depends on
my concentration. I realize
from the fact that the question itself suggests an answer.
As a result of analytical thinking, though -
i can't see the face this clearly, it gives the answer -
1 face of a rider on a horse, the rest is an illusion.
(including horses - plus two visage of horses).

I meant that I can't see the face of a man on a horse (I think and I'm sure that since the whole figure of a man it has a face).
Faces made of stones, branches etc. are not really faces - this is ILLUSION.
The question suggests an answer (manipulates me).
I just wanted to show how people succumb to learned reactions (reflexes) without trying to think for themselves.

 

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I like them too.
Unaware Atheists - those who do not understand that if it were not for this uprising(origin) the writing and developing it from pictures, through (syllabic) signs, to the form of the alphabet,
this would not be modern science.
It is thanks to the alphabet that knowledge is available to everyone, not just the insiders(privy priests).

 

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Time.
We, everything that surrounds us, the whole real world and the universe,
is dependent on time. I remind you that time is a value
fixed (in one direction). From this state of affairs
the principle of God's immutability is proposed.
The soul of a single person (psyche + memory) exists
inseparable only during life and not after death.

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Time is not a fixed value. Close to high-density points, like blackholes, time does not acts the same way as we experience it.
If god is immutable why does we have so many differents descriptions of it. And if god is composed of everyone psyche how can it be immutable?

I like them too.
Unaware Atheists - those who do not understand that if it were not for this uprising(origin) the writing and developing it from pictures, through (syllabic) signs, to the form of the alphabet,
this would not be modern science.
It is thanks to the alphabet that knowledge is available to everyone, not just the insiders(privy priests).

I don't really know what uprising you are talking about, but if you are talking about the apparition of the alphabet and what followed from it, I doubt anyone with common sense would think it has nothing to do with modern science. However apparition of an alphabet proves nothing about a/some gods.

 

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The psyche and memory of the "SOUL" is only part of the IMMORTAL GOD (THE LIVING)
which we humans are able (can) see (see).
Humanity lives on earth and here time is CONSTANT (constant in one
direction). This immutability of time as an aspect of God,
people perceive as follows:
present - we know on a regular basis
the past - we know from evidence - 100% certainty
future - we can only predict (based on the past-
compare) by determining the probability - always
less than 100%
People explore deep space and black holes with the help of instruments.
None of the people have been there yet and have not reported. It can be an illusion.
I have experience in writing relationships from people that relate to
same event. Everyone describes the same thing differently.
The same happens when people talk about god-God-GOD.
People perceive similarly, but not exactly the same.

 

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Having a part of something changes makes the whole change as well, which still make god mutable.
For what reason do you only consider the earth and not what doesn't fit your view? God isn't limited to earth.
We do explore with tools, but we can explain and predict most things accurately. Maybe it is an illusion, but at least it's a sensible illusion. And the same goes for god and religion. It can all be just an illusion, but this one does not provide valid explanation, claims the god of the gaps and overall is self-contradictory.

 

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Having a part of something changes makes the whole change as well, which still make god mutable.
For what reason do you only consider the earth and not what doesn't fit your view? God isn't limited to earth.
We do explore with tools, but we can explain and predict most things accurately. Maybe it is an illusion, but at least it's a sensible illusion. And the same goes for god and religion. It can all be just an illusion, but this one does not provide valid explanation, claims the god of the gaps and overall is self-contradictory.

Science has evolved from Religion recently.
The goal was progress and development in the name of Good.
You can shape (educate) a person
so that he believes in a particular idea and others
he rejected (it's pure cybernetics - shaping
views and behaviors of people and society).
Religion and Science use the same methods.
So far, we know and know only
life on planet Earth.

 

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Science has evolved from Religion recently.
The goal was progress and development in the name of Good.
You can shape (educate) a person
so that he believes in a particular idea and others
he rejected (it's pure cybernetics - shaping
views and behaviors of people and society).
Religion and Science use the same methods.
So far, we know and know only
life on planet Earth.

Science hasn't evolved from religion. Their most basic principles are different. The fact that only religious were at a time knowledgeable is just because religion was too important to not control everything. Even the political system was based of religion. Science would have appeared either way.
Science goal is not good, it's truth. Newton didn't understood gravity because of what good it could cause, but because he wanted to know why the apple fell.
Religion use fear to control the mass with hell, stoning, reincarnation in "lower" beings and such and have a rewarding system to promot zeal, and people lacking knowledge were fearful of many things and used that as a soothing method. In that aspect religion isn't that far from stockholm syndrom. Science observe something, makes hypothesis, validate or not those, up until they get to a theory. Science is not a religion, and never will.
So far either we know nothing, or we know a lot of things including the earth, life and the cosmos. We don't know if life exists somewhere else, but that doesn't give a right to act as if there is none.

People perceive similarly, but not exactly the same.

People perception has never been a reliable source. Placebo effect is a good example.

 

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Science hasn't evolved from religion. Their most basic principles are different. The fact that only religious were at a time knowledgeable is just because religion was too important to not control everything. Even the political system was based of religion. Science would have appeared either way.
Science goal is not good, it's truth. Newton didn't understood gravity because of what good it could cause, but because he wanted to know why the apple fell.
Religion use fear to control the mass with hell, stoning, reincarnation in "lower" beings and such and have a rewarding system to promot zeal, and people lacking knowledge were fearful of many things and used that as a soothing method. In that aspect religion isn't that far from stockholm syndrom. Science observe something, makes hypothesis, validate or not those, up until they get to a theory. Science is not a religion, and never will.
So far either we know nothing, or we know a lot of things including the earth, life and the cosmos. We don't know if life exists somewhere else, but that doesn't give a right to act as if there is none.


People perception has never been a reliable source. Placebo effect is a good example.

The scientific definitions of placebo are what they are, they confirm
that "Believing in suggestion Works Miracles".
The Stockholm syndrome is undoubtedly dependent
from survival instinct.
Science even has its own (Catedra)departments at universities.

 

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The scientific definitions of placebo are what they are, they confirm
that "Believing in suggestion Works Miracles".
The Stockholm syndrome is undoubtedly dependent
from survival instinct.

Placebo just shows suggestion as a powerful tool, not a reality-bending material. People are cured via placebo effect because they think it will, when it shouldn't. In such cases people perception is opposing the truth. That is why people perception is not reliable. If it people perception was reliable, no alternative medecine would exist.
And as you said, survival instinct is a huge factor in Stockholm syndrom. It means that people who believes in religion are just afraid of death and lacks proper reasoning.

 

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Placebo just shows suggestion as a powerful tool, not a reality-bending material. People are cured via placebo effect because they think it will, when it shouldn't. In such cases people perception is opposing the truth. That is why people perception is not reliable. If it people perception was reliable, no alternative medecine would exist.
And as you said, survival instinct is a huge factor in Stockholm syndrom. It means that people who believes in religion are just afraid of death and lacks proper reasoning.

As for placebo, it is the part of God present in man, which science cannot deny, just as religion cannot
to deny that there are "black holes" and the time around them is not time in "earthly meaning".
However the existence of "black holes" falls within the definition of God.
For now, these are the limits of human cognition. Apparently, the universe is expanding, and with it human knowledge of man.

 

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As for placebo, it is the part of God present in man, which science cannot deny, just as religion cannot
to deny that there are "black holes" and the time around them is not time in "earthly meaning".
However the existence of "black holes" falls within the definition of God.
For now, these are the limits of human cognition. Apparently, the universe is expanding, and with it human knowledge of man.

Science has a pretty explanation that doesn't involve god. Yeah it can deny it, god has never been anything more than an idea, like unicorns.
Using only earthly time is just a proof of the overwhelming pride of religious who claim they are the center of the universe.
Your definition is not verifyable, which it's straight up a stupid definition. By the very same standards, anyone can litterally cliam anything and with your reasoning you have to take it as true. Like the universe is inside a huge pudding and we are nothing more than the likes of bacterias.
If you really want to considere the limits of humans cognition, then you have to accept that any thoughts of anyone is true, or none is. You can't just choose between them because you want to, and you don't have standards other than the acceptance of an idea to choose, which is a poor choice.

To choose to explain the "unknown" (which is known just not to you, or that you choose to ignore) by putting a god in there is just misleading, disingenuous and a very bad and harmful choice. God isn't needed to understand the universe, and you cling onto it like a kid on santa because you can't accept you have a contradictory belief system.

 

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The unicorn is real.

GOD (NATURE) contra Human possibilities.

Natural genetic mutation: link-https://zwierzbuk.pl/blog/cud-natury-prawdziwy-jednorozec-w-lesie-na-podkarpaciu/

Breeding attempts link - http://theawkwardunicorn.blogspot.com/2008/12/toot-my-own-horn.html
- http://mentalfloss.com/article/79557/curious-case-ringlings-living-unicorn
- https://bogor.tribunnews.com/2016/0...ki-tanduk-satu-seperti-kuda-di-negeri-dongeng

 

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Unicorn - allegoria.

 

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Science has a pretty explanation that doesn't involve god. Yeah it can deny it, god has never been anything more than an idea, like unicorns.
Using only earthly time is just a proof of the overwhelming pride of religious who claim they are the center of the universe.
Your definition is not verifyable, which it's straight up a stupid definition. By the very same standards, anyone can litterally cliam anything and with your reasoning you have to take it as true. Like the universe is inside a huge pudding and we are nothing more than the likes of bacterias.
If you really want to considere the limits of humans cognition, then you have to accept that any thoughts of anyone is true, or none is. You can't just choose between them because you want to, and you don't have standards other than the acceptance of an idea to choose, which is a poor choice.

To choose to explain the "unknown" (which is known just not to you, or that you choose to ignore) by putting a god in there is just misleading, disingenuous and a very bad and harmful choice. God isn't needed to understand the universe, and you cling onto it like a kid on santa because you can't accept you have a contradictory belief system.

There are countless numbers in the heads of people and humanity ideas,
I accept that they are there. However, just like
everyone, I create my own view for my personal use
and I have the right to do so.
The attitude of the religious is due to the fact - service based
for the idea of God (is).
The attitude of atheists results from the fact - serving based
there is no god idea.
Both religious and atheists form their definitions based on
o KNOWLEDGE (study).
They are distinguished from one another by the comprehension (approach to
problem). There are scientists who believe in religion and this does not cause
conflict (does not bother) in their scientific research.
"Nice Explanation of Science" is also an unicorn idea and remains
OPEN ISSUE.
This state of affairs results in a specific RELATIVITY of the definition,
they may be stupid, more stupid, or less stupid.
Accepting an idea for research is not a "bad choice",
it is NECESSITY. This is because human civilization
she was born and developed based on (IDEA) GOD ....

 

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... I do not put God in the "unknown", God in my opinion is EVERYTHING (what mankind knows + what mankind does not know)
atheists are dysfunctional in thinking, "they are children on their knees (Saint?) Jean Meslier"
Since the beginning of brain development in homosapiens, awareness has increased, and with it the opportunity to learn - the ideas of God appeared
which have changed as civilization progresses - this tradition has thousands of years behind it (this is the heritage of civilization).
Atheism (meaning-godless) as such appeared in the eighteenth century as the Cult of Reason (without awareness of God).
It's only 200 years of tradition.
Earlier, the views denying the existence of gods appeared in ancient Greece -V century BC.
Epicurus had incredible intuition, but he could not prove his theses, we can easily do it now.
Sextus Empiryk also tried to think objectively.
Early Christians were called Godless in ancient Rome because they didn't believe in gods.
Attempts to educate atheist society have failed the USSR (over 70 years) and the so-called Eastern Bloc, Cambodia.
Western Europe (Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden) is slowly becoming a caliphate - nature hates vacuum.
My definitions are OBJECTIVE, based on generally available knowledge. My definitions are a balance between the most diverse
views based on the position of inference not being in the position of a party to the dispute. A free thinker is not necessarily an atheist.
I'm seriously - looking for me gaps in my thinking, so far I can't see them. Pure knowledge is my goal.

 

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Judash - the impact on the assessment of his attitude (as negative) was shaped by the narrative of Christian doctrines
and is maintained until today. It is a symbol of vile betrayal (for 30 pieces of silver).
When analyzing the message of this event without being a party (blind faith), one should consider that:
For the work of salvation to take place, a certain series of events must occur
Hypotheses:
1.Judash gave Jesus for profit or other reasons. - judicial suicide as a result of trauma.
Sub-hypothesis:
a) profit desire
b) envy
c) hate
2. Jesus ordered or ask Judash to betrayal. - a combined suicide pact that also includes Judas' suicide.
Sub-hypothesis:
a) he was ask by Jesus }
- Jesus handed argument } - Jesus knew he would die on the cross and told Judas that his(Judasha) suicide was necessary.
- Jesus did not give an argument } - Judash had had enough of life and that is why Jesus asked or ordered "treason".
b) Jesus commanded Judsh to betray } - Jesus and Judas were fed up with life and they both wanted to die.
- Jesus handed argument }
- Jesus did not give argument }

(Hypothesis 1 and 2 do not exclude God's action (influence on the choice of decisions) in man.)
Hypotheses can be developed in subcategories or arrange the categories in a different way.

There is a belief in Islamic religion that Jesus did not die on the cross because the Father (GOOD-GOD) would not allow it.

I have not put forward arguments for hypotheses, and I do not intend to do so. Everyone has the right to their own opinion.

 

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Life after death - logically, the meaning indicates absurdity and it is such also in its essence.
- metaphorical meaning - refers to the fact that the intellectual achievements of previous generations live in next generations
(in the consciousness and memory of these). This is how Jesus "lives" (over 2000 years), Ahiram, Lenin, Rambam, Washington, Socrates and others.
- the metaphorical meaning of the term "resurrection" - is nothing but a restoration (reminder) to the living of a forgotten ideas, a persons, an events.

 

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Resurrection - Resurrection (anastasis). - The term means rising from the dead.
No real restoration of the corpse (corpse) to life is known. What the Christian messages say about Jesus' resurrection -
the facts are: - After Jesus' body was buried and guarded by Legionnaire soldiers, the body disappeared in mysterious circumstances.
- Jesus after death was seen several times (by Mary Magdalene, holy women, disciples in Emmaus, to Peter, he appeared to all the apostles
except for Tomasz (Diodymos-twin), Paweł also saw him. (Hallucinations in the right mind, Anomalous experiences)
From my own life, I know that after the death of my wife, whom I was very emotionally connected to, even though I was at her funeral, being for some time
lonely happened to me such that: walking down the street I saw her many times among other people, several times when
I came so close that I could touch her, it turned out that it was someone else. Science knows this phenomenon and it is not something
exceptional - it is caused by longing, it is the result of depresion states, in this way we are by our own brain us"cheated". Such states
is experienced by people who miss someone who they are emotionally connected with and have not seen him for a long time, not only for the dead.

 

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Revival of the dead - Jesus according to the Gospel message "revived" 3 people (young woman shortly after death, a young man during his own funeral procession
and Lazarus, who was buried for four days.) Acts of the Apostles - Saint Peter revived a woman named Dorcas (also called Tabitha)
and Paul the Apostle revived a certain Eutychus who fell asleep and fell out of the window until his death.
Nowadays, despite significant advances in medicine, it happens that after death by a doctor, people come back to life.
This happens in a period of not more than 3 days.

 

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Currently, science is technically cloned even the human body, but this does not mean a resurrection. After cloning, the body has the same
genotype, however "soul is psyche + memory". The mind is shaped by factors such as parents, surroundings, etc., related to memory.
This SOUL is therefore individual and unique - assigned to one specific body (time factor). The soul dies with the body.
I wrote more about the soul in this thread (post # 111) on August 31, 2019.

 

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Kabbalah - the path to full consciousness.

Kabbalah saints say that unlike other spiritual and religious directions, Kabbalah is a practical science. Man
those who study Kabbalah should really know, not only mentally and theoretically, but in practice. by means of their senses, all worlds
spiritual and applicable laws. Kabbalah opens the hidden message of the Torah: which he considers as tips on how
achieve final remedies. That Kabbalah point of view is the cause of all human problems in general and everyone.
The individual human is incompatibility(inadequate) with the laws of the universe. Thanks to the science of Kabbalah, a person learns how he stayed
created world, what laws govern it, who is man and how should he change his nature. to become similar until
to the Creator (according to the said "He created man in to similarity his own in") and achieve a connection with Him. This state in Kabbalah
is called Final Repair - "Gmar Tikun" (גמר תיקון), and its achievement is the goal of study.

 

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Kabbalah - continued.

Sephir is the emanation of divine light, the degree of God's Light, the degree of introduction into God Consciousness. There are ten
types of Sefirot and they build the Kabbalistic "Tree of Life" (metaphorically living humanity).
Types or more correct degrees of "sefir" - sephirotic degrees of Kabbalistic initiation are:
(according to binary system)
1. Keter (Crown) - 10th level of initiation, 4th great initiation; 1-1 (= 1)
2. Chochma (Wisdom) - 9th level of initiation, 3rd great initiation; 1-0 (<1)
3. Elina (Understanding) - 8th level of initiation, 2nd great initiation; 1-0 (<1)
4. Chesed (Grace) - 7th level of initiation, 1st great initiation; 1-0 (<1)
5. Gewura (Severity) - 6th level of initiation; 1-0 (<1)
6. Tiferet (Beauty} - 5th level of initiation; 1-0 (<1)
7. Hecach (Victory) - 4th level of initiation; 1-0 (<1)
8. Hod (Glory) - 3rd level of initiation; 1-0 (<1)
9. Jesod (Foundation) - 2nd level of initiation; 1-0 (<1)
10. Malchut (Kingdom) - 1th level of initiation; (initiation) 1-0 (= 0)

The addition is Knowledge (Daat) (Daat also means religion) (0 = 0; 0 <1; 1 = 1), because its level accompanies each Sephirah.

(5th great initiation) symbolizing those who come as Prophets with God's Message to Earth.

In Islam, the equivalent of Kabbalah is Sufism.

 

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NDE, OBE, ADC,
Psychedelic experience (or 'trip') - "psychedelic" (mind revealing)
States of different consciousness can also be achieved by
meditation, dance, sounds, prayer, psychoactive substances, breathing, poisons, diseases etc.
All these states are the result of disorders (irregularities) of the brain-the senses relationship.
Each person experiences such states individually, in reality in their consciousness.
Human consciousness exists only with a "living" brain.
[In special conditions (hypothermia) recovery time
brain function (reversal of dying process)
extends from 4-5 minutes up to 20 minutes.]
The most common and common for many reports regarding
pre-mortem there is a tunnel at the end of which is light.
This is nothing else but the first record in human memory concerning
his birth - the first remembered contact event
with the outside world (brain-the senses). It's in the mother's body -
experiencing another reality(Prenatal memory).

 

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Justice is an illusion.
If it really existed, then death and old age
not would be a problem for the living.
Evolution and its laws(GOD) are merciless.
GOD said to Moses on Mount Horeb:
"I give grace to whom I want to give grace", "and at pity on who I have pity"
(we ḥannoti 'et' ašer 'aḥon)
and
"I show mercy to whom I want to show mercy", "and I will have mercy, who I will have mercy"
(we riḥamti 'et' ašer 'araḥem).(2Moj 33:18-23)
Man is the greatest predator.
He can even destroy his species.

 

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PRECEDENT ?

 

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Intuition- knowledge without conscious reasoning. He can lead to his goal faster than common sense, often by a different route.
Beyond conscious (superconsciousnes) guided by choice when making decisions (such an internal GPS system that says:
"Turn left" when the road seems to be going completely different). Decisions are taken emotionally.
Conduct, even if it seems to fail, it always turns out that it happened "for some purpose".
Making instant decisions based on associations. Feel before occurrence events .
The words of the German mathematician Carl Gauss are well known - "I have the results a long time ago, I don't know how to get to them."
? (I know that I will die - I don't know yet under what circumstances)?
The right half brain is considered the seat of intuition and is responsible for feeling and perceiving differences.
It is called "mute" because the left hemisphere is responsible for speech, reading, understanding, and mathematical reasoning.



The Human Brain is designed to ensure security, protects against so-called "life mistakes".
However, your intuition is such a small "spark of passion". It's a "spark of desire" (individual desires) and feelings,
which, if you give her a chance, will lead you to your destination faster than reason (and probably a different path).
It is good to have some life guidelines, a plan that of course will constantly need to be updated and modified.
Then you will feel more confident, you will be calmer and it will be easier for you to believe yourself -
thereby hear your inner voice. He will tell you when to deviate from the designated path (get out of life - CTB).
And the brain will make sure to alleviate the results of any "nonsense" (becoming a vegetable).
Ask yourself what you want: for today and tomorrow. Meditation or prayer will help you.
Will you be brave enough to follow what you hear?

 

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Istynkt
- congenital behavior. The primary goal is to subconsciously react to protect the body against any danger.
from the subconscious level (such an autonomous system as the computer BIOS, located in the brainstem)
(the brain stem receives blood through the vertebral arteries).
Instinct is activated in certain specific situations, in response to specific stimuli that cause emotions.
"Emotion doesn't cause pain. It is resistance or suppression of emotions that causes real pain and suffering. "
We may to show not emotional processes (feelings, affects, emotions, motivations, passions, sentiments, passions), however
in the case of affect (sudden influence of a strong external stimulus such as anger, despair, euphoria, fear)
the rationality of action is limited and hard to hide.
The instinct works completely independent of us, we are not able to limit or control it.
Most successful suicides are carried out immediately after assessing the situation as hopeless as a result of strong emotions. the brainstem

 

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[eremito]

I try to believe that it does, but regardless of faith my spiritual path was giving me sense of relying on ideas which are stronger, more potent and powerful than myself. This was the energy which gave me strength to live and hope

 

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eremito @
Personally, I wonder which
our choices(decisions) are really Ours.