Recent K-pop suicides and methods

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Hara
Age: 28
Method: ?
Last social media post on Instagram:
(Her caption: "Good Night")


Sulli
Age: 25
Method: Hanging

Jonghyun
Age: 27 (2017)
Method: Carbon monoxide poisoning.
"Investigators believe he died from inhaling toxic fumes, as they discovered coal briquettes burnt on a frying pan upon arriving at the apartment."

 

[Roger]

Doesn't South Korea have the highest suicide rate in the world ?

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

Doesn't South Korea have the highest suicide rate in the world ?

No, it's Lithuania

 

[Jean4]

Many people think they want fame, but can't handle it when they get there.

 

[Alec]

Many people think they want fame, but can't handle it when they get there.

Ok, no offense but no, it's not about that and it's not about "fame" and "not being able to handle fame" as you put it. If you have read the news about these before making assumptions about people's reasons you would know that. It's because in that part of the show business and in that part of the world their managers are very abusive and torment them emotionally and mentally and bully them. They treat the performers extremely bad and don't let them breath. Which leads to this. There's a whole movement of the fans who protest their whole business ways and demand the change in the way the artists are being treated by people who manage them and own their record deals and so on. Fans are standing up to abusers in that business and are trying to stop it. Go on twitter or google it and you'll see.
My point is, please don't make assumptions about people's state of mind and how they feel and what they are going through if you know literally nothing about them, people like us in this situation should know that that's not the way to go.
Also, I am really sorry if this comes off in any way mean it is not my intention I don't want to be mean to you but I feel like it comes off a bit mean, I'm sorry if it's mean please don't take this personally I'm a bit too passionate about this subject it's a bit personal for me, but I have nothing against you. I love you and hope you are doing ok

 

[Jean4]

Ok, no offense but no, it's not about that and it's not about "fame" and "not being able to handle fame" as you put it. If you have read the news about these before making assumptions about people's reasons you would know that. It's because in that part of the show business and in that part of the world their managers are very abusive and torment them emotionally and mentally and bully them. They treat the performers extremely bad and don't let them breath. Which leads to this. There's a whole movement of the fans who protest their whole business ways and demand the change in the way the artists are being treated by people who manage them and own their record deals and so on. Fans are standing up to abusers in that business and are trying to stop it. Go on twitter or google it and you'll see.
My point is, please don't make assumptions about people's state of mind and how they feel and what they are going through if you know literally nothing about them, people like us in this situation should know that that's not the way to go.
Also, I am really sorry if this comes off in any way mean it is not my intention I don't want to be mean to you but I feel like it comes off a bit mean, I'm sorry if it's mean please don't take this personally I'm a bit too passionate about this subject it's a bit personal for me, but I have nothing against you. I love you and hope you are doing ok❤❤

It doesn't come off rude, and you are entitled to your opinion. I am only speaking from my personal experience, and no. I never make assumptions. I only speak from first had experiences or knowledge. @SinisterKid

 

[SinisterKid]

Someone call my name?

K Pop, me know nothing.

 

[Jean4]

Someone call my name?

K Pop, me know nothing.

You will learn grasshopper ;)

 

[SinisterKid]

OK Sensai

 

[timetogo12345]

I never make assumptions. I only speak from first had experiences or knowledge.

Do you have first hand experience or knowledge of these peoples' reasons for suicide? Enough to make a remark like:

Many people think they want fame, but can't handle it when they get there.

I don't know how famous these k-pop people are in their country relative to US musicians in the US, but that would be like suggesting that Chris Cornell killed himself because "Many people think they want fame, but can't handle it when they get there", which is a gross simplification of the complexities of suicide.

 

[Jean4]

Do you have first hand experience or knowledge of these peoples' reasons for suicide? Enough to make a remark like:



I don't know how famous these k-pop people are in their country relative to US musicians in the US, but that would be like suggesting that Chris Cornell killed himself because "Many people think they want fame, but can't handle it when they get there", which is a gross simplification of the complexities of suicide.

All I will say is yes I do know. More than you know. I also have more personal knowledge regarding Chris than you will know.

As I said. I only speak from first hand knowledge. Not from what is written in the press when nine times out of ten are not the total facts because what one reads to the press is being spoon fed them by a promoter @SinisterKid

 

[WhyIsLife56]

I used to live in Korea for 10 years so I get the pressure and stress/bullying/competition there. Korea in general is a stressful place to live let alone being a kpop idol there brings a lot more expectations and more stress because of how people are close minded there.
When Sulli died (and even Jonghyun) I was shocked like completely shocked. It's horrifying living in a place like Korea.

 

[Moonicide]

It's unfortunate that nothing has changed when it comes to suicide in Korea, let alone in the Korean entertainment industry. It's very, very, hard to be a k-pop idol. You are essentially signing away your soul. Some artists will stay with the company for years and never debut. They work you to the bone, they make you starve, they encourage you to get plastic surgery, they eat you alive... Jonghyun left a suicide letter behind explaining his struggles and how he tried so hard to reach out.

"I am broken from the inside.
The depression that slowly gnawed away at me has finally swallowed me whole.
And I could not defeat it.

I detested myself. I grabbed my disjointed memories and yelled at them to pull themselves together but was met with no response.
If I can't help myself breathe properly it's better to stop breathing at all.
I asked myself who was responsible for me.

Only I.
I was utterly alone.
It's easy to talk about the end.
It's hard to actually end.
I lived until now because of that difficulty.
I told myself I wanted to run.
Yes, I wanted to run.
From myself.
From you.
I asked who was there. It was me. It was me again. And it was me yet again.

I asked why I kept losing my memories. It was because of my personality. I see. So It's all my fault in the end. I wanted people to notice but no one did. They've never even met me so of course they don't know I exist.

I asked why they live. They just live, just live on.
If you ask why I die I would answer I am exhausted.
I have suffered and pondered. I never learned how to turn this exhausting pain into bliss.

Pain is just that, pain.
They scolded me not to do this.
Why? Why can't I even end things the way I want to?

They told me to find out why I hurt.
I know too well. I hurt because of me. It's all my fault and all because I'm lacking.
Doctor, is this what you wanted to hear?
No. I have done nothing wrong.

When the gentle voice blamed my personality I thought, 'damn being a doctor is easy.'
It's so odd that it hurts so much. People who have it worse than me live fine, people who are weaker than me carry on fine. Maybe that's not true. There's no one alive that's got it worse than me or is weaker than me.

But I should live on anyway.
I keep asking myself why I should hundreds of times and it's not for my own good. It's for yours.
Please don't say a word if you don't understand.
Find out why I'm hurting? I told you why. Is it so wrong to hurt so much because of that, do I need to have a more dramatic reason? A more specific reason?

I told you already. Were you not listening? Things you can overcome don't scar you for life.
Clashing with the world was never meant for me.
The life of fame was never meant for me.
That's all the reason why it hurts. Because I'm famous. Why did I choose this. It's so funny.
It's a wonder I lasted so long.

What can I say. Just tell me I've done well. That this is good enough. That I've worked hard. Even if you can't smile don't fault me on my way. You did well, you worked hard. Goodbye."

— SHINee's Jonghyun

As for Sulli, she dealt with years of cyberbullying. Down to how she looked, how much she weighed, etc. Things got worse when she got in a relationship with a man 14 years older than her... He never defended her when Netizens would bully her and pretty much slut shame her while she was with him. Because as a k-pop idol, if it's found out you're dating it can ruin your whole career. Especially if you're a woman. Because you are supposed to uphold this reputation of innocence and purity. I believe they're trying to introduce a bill, called 'Sulli's Law' to prevent cyberbullying in the future... It's really sad, because in the end everyone that bullied her on the internet pretty much has blood on their hands. They aided in her decision. Society killed her. She had attempted in the past, had been in treatment, reached to people prior as well.

And with Goo Hara, that happened to her. She was caught in a scandal with her abusive ex-boyfriend that threatened to release a sex tape of her. She attempted to end her life last May due to all the stress. She apologized to her fans and promised she'd do better. There was no break in between any of this, she pretty much got back to work and was trying to debut in Japan, I believe. The thing is, I ultimately think this time around Sulli had quite a bit of influence in her reasoning to end it. She was not able to make it to Sulli's funeral so she did a live instagram broadcast. She cried and promised Sulli she'll live well... But in the end, I think it really broke her heart and it was one of the final blows for her as Sulli was her best friend. Goo Hara left a suicide note behind expressing how tired she was with life.

It's all so, so unfortunate... Korean culture upsets me so much sometimes.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

It's unfortunate that nothing has changed when it comes to suicide in Korea, let along in the Korean entertainment industry. It's very, very, hard to be a k-pop idol. You are essentially signing away your soul. Some artists will stay with the company for years and never debut. They work you to the bone, they make you starve, they encourage you to get plastic surgery, they eat you alive... Jonghyun left a suicide letter behind explaining his struggles and how he tried so hard to reach out.



As for Sulli, she dealt with years of cyberbullying. Down to how she looked, how much she weighed, etc. Things got worse when she got in a relationship with a man 14 years older than her... He never defended her when Netizens would bully her and pretty much slut shame her while she was with him. Because as a k-pop idol, if it's found out you're dating it can ruin your whole career. Especially if you're a woman. Because you are supposed to uphold this reputation of innocence and purity. I believe they're trying to introduce a bill, called 'Sulli's Law' to prevent cyberbullying in the future... It's really sad, because in the end everyone that bullied her on the internet pretty much has blood on their hands. They aided in her decision. Society killed her. She had attempted in the past, had been in treatment, reached to people prior as well.

And with Goo Hara, that happened to her. She was caught in a scandal with her abusive ex-boyfriend that threatened to release a sex tape of her. She attempted to end her life last May due to all the stress. She apologized to her fans and promised she'd do better. There was no break in between any of this, she pretty much got back to work and was trying to debut in Japan, I believe. The thing is, I ultimately think this time around Sulli had quite a bit of influence in her reasoning to end it. She was not able to make it to Sulli's funeral so she did a live instagram broadcast. She cried and promised Sulli she'll live well... But in the end, I think it really broke her heart and it was one of the final blows for her as Sulli was her best friend. Goo Hara left a suicide note behind expressing how tired she was with life.

It's all so, so unfortunate... Korean culture upsets me so much sometimes.

She didn't have to apologize and yet she did. I don't get Korean people at all. I just don't get Korean culture at all.

 

[spanishguy22]

All I will say is yes I do know. More than you know. I also have more personal knowledge regarding Chris than you will know.

As I said. I only speak from first hand knowledge. Not from what is written in the press when nine times out of ten are not the total facts because what one reads to the press is being spoon fed them by a promoter @SinisterKid

You are one of those that can never be wrong huh... Obviously you know so much, and have access to top secret information on celebrities.

It's obviously not that k pop stars can't handle fame, but that they are tightly controlled and nearly abused to work their ass off from the higherups in order to make them money.
You are misguideing people with your ignorance and disrespecting the abuse these k pop stars go through.

 

[okaoki]

just hope Hara's passing are peaceful

 

[timetogo12345]

All I will say is yes I do know. More than you know. I also have more personal knowledge regarding Chris than you will know.



As I said. I only speak from first hand knowledge.

No, you don't know more than me or anyone else about their suicides. You just have a massively inflated ego and think you have special 'knowledge' about these people you don't even know, resulting in these absurd grandiose claims. Only someone who knew them closely in-person could know the depth of their suffering and the motives for their suicides. Do you even know what it means when you say you have first hand knowledge?

Everyone who is suicidal is a complex individual with unique traits. To make a blanket statement about their alleged inability to handle fame just reeks of your lack of critical thinking.

 

[I’vehadenough]

Ok, no offense but no, it's not about that and it's not about "fame" and "not being able to handle fame" as you put it. If you have read the news about these before making assumptions about people's reasons you would know that. It's because in that part of the show business and in that part of the world their managers are very abusive and torment them emotionally and mentally and bully them. They treat the performers extremely bad and don't let them breath. Which leads to this. There's a whole movement of the fans who protest their whole business ways and demand the change in the way the artists are being treated by people who manage them and own their record deals and so on. Fans are standing up to abusers in that business and are trying to stop it. Go on twitter or google it and you'll see.
My point is, please don't make assumptions about people's state of mind and how they feel and what they are going through if you know literally nothing about them, people like us in this situation should know that that's not the way to go.
Also, I am really sorry if this comes off in any way mean it is not my intention I don't want to be mean to you but I feel like it comes off a bit mean, I'm sorry if it's mean please don't take this personally I'm a bit too passionate about this subject it's a bit personal for me, but I have nothing against you. I love you and hope you are doing ok❤❤

Also, it might have nothing to do with fame. Could be a broken heart, could be anything

 

[Alec]

All I will say is yes I do know. More than you know. I also have more personal knowledge regarding Chris than you will know.

As I said. I only speak from first hand knowledge. Not from what is written in the press when nine times out of ten are not the total facts because what one reads to the press is being spoon fed them by a promoter @SinisterKid

But that's just it, you have YOUR own experience, it's yours not theirs. They are not you and you are not them. So no, you can't speak for others based on your own experience, that doesn't even make any sense logically. Just because some things were certain way for you and it made you feel a specific way(or you've seen from the inside of a close friend how your friend reacted or felt about those things happening to them), it doesn't mean you can say that another person that you've never met before or know nothing about has felt it the same way as it was in your experience. You don't know anything about the details of their situation(which are everything and crucial) and you don't know their personalities (which is what is responsible for how we react to things) so how can you make a statement like that about another persons life and their feelings and what they could or could not handle based SOLELY on your PERSONAL experience that has almost no connection at all to them besides of something like - it was in a matter of show business as well, when it has no connection in the things that are crucial to the situation and define it such as personality and the specific people they were working with and so on and so on.
No, you cant make that kind of statement and have it be true or taken seriously or taken as something that is based on knowledge and facts, because you don't have the knowledge and facts required to make that kind of statement about another persons situation, only they do. You can't just start telling other people's stories as if you know what's happening just because you worked in the same field of business.
Again I'm terribly sorry if this comes off as negative or offensive, it is not my intention, I just get passionate in the matters like this. I in no way want to minimize the things you've been through and your struggle, I'm sure you have stories to tell about your life as well. All I'm trying to say is that our personal experiences don't always apply to other people and it's wrong to assume that they do and therefore we know what's happening with those people, especially when we don't know anything about those people except for maybe a few more or less widely known facts, but not the inside stuff of their personal and specific situation. Sometimes if we think or even truly do know the "inside" stuff, we still might not know everything and the most important stuff and are responsible for driving those people and are the reason for the decisions they make.

Also, it might have nothing to do with fame. Could be a broken heart, could be anything

Agree, and that was my point - to say that it was about fame when we can't know literally anything of true importance about their personal life is just not right. We can't judge like that at all ever and form opinions like that, and especially with how very little facts about the situation we have.