Rational vs. Irrational

[Ruffian]

I am really curious to see people's thoughts on this. I know people with mental health issues are not seen as rational when deciding to commit suicide, but I don't really agree with this. If you look back on all the ways a diagnoses contributed to your misery, wouldn't it be rational? Or is just that you're supposed to believe hope is always around the corner? My sister was trying to motivate me by saying I could get back to where I was from this letdown. I was already down and out, and I don't feel like I even have anything to work on to get back to. Like back to what? I was already a member here before my latest shit went down.

I am not trying to downplay anyone with a terminal illness or chronic pain. I used to have this intense pain in my back in the thoracic spine that no doctor ever took seriously because, hey, everyone complains of lower back pain so it all must be in my head, right? I swear they see "bipolar" in your chart and assume anything coming out of your mouth is crazy talk. Anyway, I'd had it for a good 25 years and tried to learn to. live with it. I can't describe this pain, it felt like there was a fist of iron just squeezing that part of my spine. I was on vacation once and I remember it was so bad for a couple of minutes I really thought I was going to go completely insane. The thought of living with that pain the rest of my life was unfathomable. I've had a torn rotator cuff since then and I'll take that any day, seriously it was that bad. If I had been at a hotel with a balcony on a higher floor I honestly think I would have jumped without thinking. I finally found a doctor who took it seriously and she diagnosed me with neuralgia. If that pain ever comes back before I get my SN supplies together I think I would jump in front of train.

 

[SomebodyBroken]

Well, you also have physical pain for many years. but people did not take it seriously and thought that you only wanted to attract attention. that's why we can not do euthanasia? do people think that by using pain medication our life will become "normal"?

 

[Ruffian]

Well, she put on pain medication, but not the usual type. It really helped a lot, but my life will never be normal. I want it to be over. I'm getting more and more serious about it.

 

[SomebodyBroken]

Well, she put on pain medication, but not the usual type. It really helped a lot, but my life will never be normal. I want it to be over. I'm getting more and more serious about it.

Well, in this to advise something hard, we can not just "be a different person" and understand "all his pain."
if things are really bad, then people take and do, don't they? and we communicate and try to find a really working versions =)

 

[TiredHorse]

I have difficulty understanding how taking the only plausible route to escape unendurable pain (physical or mental) can ever be accepted as being irrational.

Just because others see alternate routes does not make their routes viable for you; that is an egotistic worldview that has no place in the discussion of rational/irrational.

Is a loss of hope irrational? How can it be, when hope is informed by experience, and experience tells you there is no reason to hope?

 

[TAW122]

I fully agree with you. I don't think that anyone who has the capacity to "know" that they are making a decision, especially one that is carefully thoughtout and planned is considered "irrational". The medical industry and society as well as government has it all backwards. In other words, I think it is ridiculous and quite stupid that once people see the word 'depression' or 'bipolar' or what have you, then they automatically dismiss anything you said, regardless of how rational or well thought out/eloquent it may be.

Based on that logic then no criminal is ever considered rational and they should all get out of jail/prison free because they can't be held accountable. However, society and government doesn't view criminals that way, instead they see them as totally aware and rational and sentence accordingly.