Venting r/SuicideWatch should be renamed to r/ProLifersUnite

[YourLocalEdgelord]

Because that's exactly what they do. But why? Are they that desperate to feel important? Do they have a savior complex? I understand that some of them genuinely wanna help and don't know how. But the comments there go WAY beyond that.

Them: "Go to therapy"
Us: "We've tried, didn't help"
Them: "Clearly didn't find the right one then?"
Us: "After literally 20 different therapists, I don't think the right one exists."
Them: "That's your fault! Therapists can do no wrong!!!"

Them: "Have you tried anti-depressants?"
Us: "Yes, so many that even my psychiatrist feels helpless."
Them: "That can't be! There's this one very obscure drug that no one has heard of before. Try it!"
Us: "Did I mention the horrible side effects?"
Them: "Oh, those? Worth it, lol."
Us: "Did you know that the chemical imbalance argument is actually an uncommon -"
[You have been permanently banned from the following subreddits: r/suicidewatch, r/antidepressants, r/*insert name of prescribed drug*, r/therapy, r/psychiatry, r/lgbt(???)]

Them: "But what about your family? You will hurt them if you leave!"
Us: "They make me want to ctb in the first place"
Them: DOWNVOTE

Them: "I will help you. I love you and care about you."
Us: "You know absolutely nothing about me."
Them: "Noooo nooo, I can tell you are a great person, just message me!"
Us: (Message them)
Them: BLOCKED

And many more examples. This forum restored my sanity. Thanks to all who keep this place alive and running.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Agreed, reddit is garbage when it comes to suicide.

 

[BadVibes]

we need a slur for people who just spam the suicide hotline number or chalk it all down to "needing therapy"

 

[DarkJason]

we need a slur for people who just spam the suicide hotline number or chalk it all down to "needing therapy"

I think that word already exists: normies. They're OBSESSED with therapy and that stupid hotline, and can't comprehend how those things don't magically make people not suicidal anymore.

 

[overmorrow]

reddit users like to let out nice, sweet words just to feel like they've accomplished something at the end of the day, it's braindead.

 

[39hatsune]

reddit users like to let out nice, sweet words just to feel like they've accomplished something at the end of the day, it's braindead.

also people who 'try' to help you just so they dont feel guilty or at fault if you ctb

or when you're gone, people will be like 'oh i wish they talked to me!' but when you do, they say some dumb shit like above lmao

 

[StoneCellaiver]

reddit users like to let out nice, sweet words just to feel like they've accomplished something at the end of the day, it's braindead.

I don't know why they tend to deny the obvious so often, more akin to crabs in a bucket than anything, just dismissive and unwilling to accept the issues at hand

 

[Terrible_Life]

I heard that there was a time when sasu existed on Reddit , is that true ?

 

[TANETS]

I heard that there was a time when sasu existed on Reddit , is that true ?

Yes

Because that's exactly what they do. But why? Are they that desperate to feel important? Do they have a savior complex? I understand that some of them genuinely wanna help and don't know how. But the comments there go WAY beyond that.

Them: "Go to therapy"
Us: "We've tried, didn't help"
Them: "Clearly didn't find the right one then?"
Us: "After literally 20 different therapists, I don't think the right one exists."
Them: "That's your fault! Therapists can do no wrong!!!"

Them: "Have you tried anti-depressants?"
Us: "Yes, so many that even my psychiatrist feels helpless."
Them: "That can't be! There's this one very obscure drug that no one has heard of before. Try it!"
Us: "Did I mention the horrible side effects?"
Them: "Oh, those? Worth it, lol."
Us: "Did you know that the chemical imbalance argument is actually an uncommon -"
[You have been permanently banned from the following subreddits: r/suicidewatch, r/antidepressants, r/*insert name of prescribed drug*, r/therapy, r/psychiatry, r/lgbt(???)]

Them: "But what about your family? You will hurt them if you leave!"
Us: "They make me want to ctb in the first place"
Them: DOWNVOTE

Them: "I will help you. I love you and care about you."
Us: "You know absolutely nothing about me."
Them: "Noooo nooo, I can tell you are a great person, just message me!"
Us: (Message them)
Them: BLOCKED

And many more examples. This forum restored my sanity. Thanks to all who keep this place alive and running.

Yh I've meant some decent pro lifers on there but im ngl majority of the kinds of ppl r just trying to give themselves a pat on the back & a feel good moment for themselves by targeting suicidal ppl


I dont deny some of their intentions might be genuine but it's weird asf thay they only target suicidal ppl with this kind of vigilantism where they could also give their support to ppl on abuse survivor subreddits for example

 

[Terrible_Life]

Yes

How was that possible? I mean nowadays I think everything about suicide is hugely censored as if suicide would be the biggest crime a person could do ….. unbelievable and then those bastards wonder why suicidal people isolate themself ofc they do when the whole topic is being censored so extremely and whenever someone might open himself to a therapist or even to his family he risks ending up in psych ward.

 

[jerkbybile]

it genuinely feels like there's no one on reddit who actually puts enough thought into their replies to say anything meaningful. they all spit out the same "solutions", even if you have already mentioned you have tried them. it's like they just want to feel helpful rather than actually be helpful. then they'll say you aren't "actually trying to get better" when you say anything to even imply their advice hasn't worked for you personally.

 

[TANETS]

How was that possible? I mean nowadays I think everything about suicide is hugely censored as if suicide would be the biggest crime a person could do ….. unbelievable and then those bastards wonder why suicidal people isolate themself ofc they do when the whole topic is being censored so extremely and whenever someone might open himself to a therapist or even to his family he risks ending up in psych ward.

Reddit til this day allows gore subreddits.

Back then, underage abuse material was also allowed and thrived

Reddit nowadays just picks and chooses what extremes they allow

 

[Spite]

They're like that because if you post a thread on r/SuicideWatch talking about how unbearable life is and how much mental agony you're in, that's not le heckin wholesome Big Chungus Keanu Reeves 100, you see?

 

[SilentSadness]

Reddit is the biggest collection of normies on the internet. The upvote/downvote system, moderator bans, sub-Reddit bans, Karma system, and brigading are all designed to make sure only normie opinions can go through. If 100 people upvote a comment and 105 people downvote it, then it's -5 and hidden from view to make sure no one has to see what you have to say. It's strange that Reddit is used for any kind of discussion because the site is designed from the ground up to destroy any meaningful discussion. I have to say though, that even though the SuicideWatch sub-Reddit is pro-life, it's by far the most pro-choice sub-Reddit I can find. At least they don't perma-ban you for saying you're suicidal, which is the standard normie approach to making sure everyone is happy.

 

[anorexicmustrope]

True suicidal intention is very lonely, the only stories you hear or care about are the ones who survive. Most have no words for your intentions, meeting someone suicidal (if you can even get them to admit that) is a lot like pandora's box, we are not mentally well. This makes it worse for ambivalent people, either complete isolation or embracing of anonymous online forums like this one.

From what I've gathered, no one actually seems to care about suicide, you practically have to know as much as the suicidal person knows about themselves to get a change, and even that is negated in cases where an illness or loss of identity is present. Most suicidal people posting on reddit are very ambivalent, if you truly wanted to die, you'd research, likely ending up on this site, hence why reddit is filled with so many pro-lifers, it ends up helping insecure people feel better but makes people with a high intent (most users here) feel even more isolated.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

For the most part, people on Reddit worship psychological theories like they are some kind of scared, holy doctrine, and much like devout believers, they don't want to accept that there are issues with that belief system which can cause real harm to people.

For example, this is an interaction I've had on Reddit (and observed others discussing something similar) many times, nearly word for word:

Me: "I've been to over a dozen therapists, and it didn't help me. One therapist was at least kind enough to admit that they didn't know how to help me, because my PTSD was so severe."

Them: "Well, therapy isn't a magic wand, you have to put in the work, change your mindset, and also accept it's not a complete cure but can always improve your life if you're willing to put in hard, uncomfortable work."

Me: "I've tried many different types of therapy, and nothing has helped me though. Some even made me worse. People say exposure is the most effective thing for PTSD, but now I feel like I'm worse off than ever."

Them: "If you've been to lots of therapists and it didn't help, the common issue here is you, isn't it? Not the therapist. It's going to hurt before it gets better, but it sounds like you don't want to change your mindset, sweetie."

Me: "But if I've been doing it for years and feel worse, how long am I supposed to do that before it supposedly gets better?"

Them: "It's a lifelong process, but you have to be willing to put in the work. It won't work if you won't reframe your thoughts and face your trauma instead of running from it. Just keep trying new therapists."

It makes me want to bash my head against the wall, at the listening comprehension of these people. The gaslighting is unreal. To these people, if you have episodes of nightmares, extreme fear, aversion to touch, and lifelong scars from sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, it is all a matter of mindset to reverse it, and your fault it doesn't get better.

Unironically, listening to such garbage on Reddit constantly made me more suicidal. Not being believed or taken seriously is a low blow to anyone's mental state, but that isn't acknowledged on that platform, it seems. Unfortunately, I think many of these people do have good intentions but cannot grasp how invalidating and disappointing their words can be to someone seeking support.

A lot of users on there want to act like the personal apostles of the psych industry spreading "science" (or in this case social science, because many of them don't even believe in biological determinants of mental illness) as the gospel, but they are so hung up on licking the boot at all costs, they don't realize how actually unscientific their approach is, when they pretend that certain treatments are 100% effective for everybody no matter what. In actual medical practice there are very few treatments that can boast a 100% efficacy rate due to variations in physiology, so why do therapists and their fans on Reddit like to believe they are immune to this?

They can't even define what "the work" is, that so many of us are supposedly not putting in, which further makes it sound like they just have no earthly clue what they are talking about and have no idea how insulting it is to people who have repeatedly had to discuss their most traumatic life events with so called professionals who at worst mocked you and at best sat there with a blank-eyed stare before mustering a half ass apology.

These people can't even put in "the work" to listen and believe someone.

 

[YourLocalEdgelord]

the common issue here is you,

Yep. As soon as you're being "difficult" to them, they go "not my problem", just packaged in many different platitudes.

act like the personal apostles of the psych industry s

The amount of psychiatry worshippers and bootlickers on there is sickening. If they had a good experience, good for them. But all these mental gymnastics they do to invalidate each of our negative experiences cause us to, as you said, be even more likely to ctb.

when they pretend that certain treatments are 100% effective

It's probalbly just business to them. Just sell their drugs and be done with it. And if those don't work, they rarely suggest an alternative, unless you keep insisting repeatedly.

 

[Forveleth]

I say this every time that sub comes up on this site. I got banned for "discussing methods" by telling a 16 year old that taking an entire bottle of acetaminophen would not kill them, just potentially damage their liver (y'know like most of us do here). My post was removed and I was banned. Apparently r/SuicideWatch is perfectly ok with teens making attempts that have long-term health consequences.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I remember one member had an excellent response to the- think about your family plus therapy cures all speech. That, if they suicide, their family can talk to a therapist about it. Seeing as it cures all problems- right?

 

[YourLocalEdgelord]

I got banned for "discussing methods" by telling a 16 year old that taking an entire bottle of acetaminophen would not kill them

Disgusting. Censorship is what makes people resort to these methods in the first place.

I remember one member had an excellent response to the- think about your family plus therapy cures all speech. That, if they suicide, their family can talk to a therapist about it. Seeing as it cures all problems- right?

Ha, good comeback. Let me guess. Mass downvote and no more help from them, right?

 

[Forever Sleep]

Disgusting. Censorship is what makes people resort to these methods in the first place.



Ha, good comeback. Let me guess. Mass downvote and no more help from them, right?

I doubt they said that there. It was a comment I read here.

I suppose I'm curious though... I haven't actually visited that forum for suicide discusion. I was probably lucky that I found this place first.

Still, it seems fairly obvious that it acts kind of like the helplines do- to prevent suicide- rather than simply discuss it. I suppose I'm curious why people visit it if they don't want to be talked out of it. Are they hoping they will receive substantial advice there maybe? Or, do they go in hoping to have a reasoned discussion?

Are the majority of the people there suicidal or, is it a real mix of preventionists and potential suiciders?

 

[YourLocalEdgelord]

it seems fairly obvious that it acts kind of like the helplines do- to prevent suicide- rather than simply discuss it. I

They have a strict rule that prohibits useless platitudes like "It will get better." The mods keep saying "just report them", but they either don't care, or there's too many to report because these comments are on almost every. Single. Thread.

Are the majority of the people there suicidal or, is it a real mix of preventionists and potential suiciders?

A mix of all of those, that's why it's so bad there. The individual groups should be properly separated, but nooo, can't have suicidal people be on their own, can we??? s/

 

[Forveleth]

Are they hoping they will receive substantial advice there maybe? Or, do they go in hoping to have a reasoned discussion?

Are the majority of the people there suicidal or, is it a real mix of preventionists and potential suiciders?

The impression I got is it is 85% angsty teens and young adults just going through general life struggles (failing exams, being bullied, breakups, etc) and maybe 15% of older people having bigger or long-term life issues. The posts there are quite similar to the first time posts we get here: "I am going to do it with [method] because [reason]" with optional life story. So, vast majority are people who would call a helpline.

But also if you show up just wanting to discuss suicide, you immediately get censored. The only things you are allowed to post there are, hey, I'm going to kill myself and something positive about suicide. That's it. It's rife with censorship and anti-platitude.

 

[YourLocalEdgelord]

The impression I got ia it ia 85% angsty teens and young adults just going through general life struggles (failing exams, being bullied, breakups, etc) a

I disagree. Their struggles may look insignificant on the surface, but who are we to judge them? Mental health is incredibly complex. Someone with simply a bad day at school can carry complex trauma or be stuck in an abusive home without them even realizing. Even those aged 30+ with money, friends, family can be in severe distress. That's very important to consider.

But also if you show up just wanting to discuss suicide, you immediately get censored. The only things you are allowed to post there are, hey, I'm going to kill myself and something positive about suicide. That's it. It's rife with censorship and anti-platitude.

This. Lack of education and open-mindedness is what causes these tragedies in the first place. Same with sexual education. Censor this topic and you'll have teenage pregnancies, pain during sex, STDs, lifelong shame, orgasm gap, etc

 

[Forveleth]

I disagree. Their struggles may look insignificant on the surface, but who are we to judge them? Mental health is incredibly complex. Someone with simply a bad day at school can carry complex trauma or be stuck in an abusive home without them even realizing. Even those aged 30+ with money, friends, family can be in severe distress. That's very important to consider.

I said "general" meaning:
1.Concerned with, applicable to, or affecting the whole or every member of a class or category.
2.Affecting or characteristic of the majority of those involved; prevalent.
"general discontent."
3. Of or affecting the entire body.
"general paralysis."

Perhaps I should have used the word "frequent". Either way, I am not sure how you interpreted what I said as "insignificant" as I was merely pointing out that the statements made on the sub are quite commonly seen. I was not making any judgments about their validity.

 

[YourLocalEdgelord]

Either way, I am not sure how you interpreted what I said as "insignificant"

I know you mean well, don't worry. I tried to say that these general posts can deceive our perception. Many of us are being perceived as just having regular struggles, or being angsty. It's important to point out that even simple life situations can cause you to not want to call a helpline and jump to other coping mechanisms instead.

 

[whatisaholemadeof]

For the most part, people on Reddit worship psychological theories like they are some kind of scared, holy doctrine, and much like devout believers, they don't want to accept that there are issues with that belief system which can cause real harm to people.

For example, this is an interaction I've had on Reddit (and observed others discussing something similar) many times, nearly word for word:

Me: "I've been to over a dozen therapists, and it didn't help me. One therapist was at least kind enough to admit that they didn't know how to help me, because my PTSD was so severe."

Them: "Well, therapy isn't a magic wand, you have to put in the work, change your mindset, and also accept it's not a complete cure but can always improve your life if you're willing to put in hard, uncomfortable work."

Me: "I've tried many different types of therapy, and nothing has helped me though. Some even made me worse. People say exposure is the most effective thing for PTSD, but now I feel like I'm worse off than ever."

Them: "If you've been to lots of therapists and it didn't help, the common issue here is you, isn't it? Not the therapist. It's going to hurt before it gets better, but it sounds like you don't want to change your mindset, sweetie."

Me: "But if I've been doing it for years and feel worse, how long am I supposed to do that before it supposedly gets better?"

Them: "It's a lifelong process, but you have to be willing to put in the work. It won't work if you won't reframe your thoughts and face your trauma instead of running from it. Just keep trying new therapists."

It makes me want to bash my head against the wall, at the listening comprehension of these people. The gaslighting is unreal. To these people, if you have episodes of nightmares, extreme fear, aversion to touch, and lifelong scars from sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, it is all a matter of mindset to reverse it, and your fault it doesn't get better.

Unironically, listening to such garbage on Reddit constantly made me more suicidal. Not being believed or taken seriously is a low blow to anyone's mental state, but that isn't acknowledged on that platform, it seems. Unfortunately, I think many of these people do have good intentions but cannot grasp how invalidating and disappointing their words can be to someone seeking support.

A lot of users on there want to act like the personal apostles of the psych industry spreading "science" (or in this case social science, because many of them don't even believe in biological determinants of mental illness) as the gospel, but they are so hung up on licking the boot at all costs, they don't realize how actually unscientific their approach is, when they pretend that certain treatments are 100% effective for everybody no matter what. In actual medical practice there are very few treatments that can boast a 100% efficacy rate due to variations in physiology, so why do therapists and their fans on Reddit like to believe they are immune to this?

They can't even define what "the work" is, that so many of us are supposedly not putting in, which further makes it sound like they just have no earthly clue what they are talking about and have no idea how insulting it is to people who have repeatedly had to discuss their most traumatic life events with so called professionals who at worst mocked you and at best sat there with a blank-eyed stare before mustering a half ass apology.

These people can't even put in "the work" to listen and believe someone.

That interaction almost makes my blood boil. So many disgusting things said(by them). This is a debilitating disorder. Who the hell wants to deal with the "lifelong process," give me a break. It's exhausting. Seems like the common refrain is "just put in the work and you'll get better!" and it just makes a person feel so ashamed.

They can try having traumatic memories hit them every day which instantly cause thoughts of CTB. See if they say "you don't want to change your mindset" after