QUESTION FOR PRO-LIFERS

[ksp]

everyone dies, including you and your loved ones

at the end of your life, would you refuse Nembutal, in spite of horrific suffering? (physical or mental health)

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this is why you, or loved ones (family members, friends), will probably die from:




Source: World Health Organization

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this is addressed to politicians, policymakers, judges, lawyers, journalists, doctors, psychiatrist, psychologists, nurses, and all members of your immediate family

i encourage you to think about the answer now (not just before you reach the end)

 

[almaranthine]

Would love to see an actual prolife account fucking have the balls to respond to this instead of pretending to be a suicidal person in a terrible situation and/or severe pain trying to finesse the last few legitimate sources of SN from us.

 

[hungry_ghost]

pretending to be a suicidal person in a terrible situation and/or severe pain

This is actually incredibly manipulative and perverse of them, too.

I hope they fucking realize that.

 

[Life_and_Death]

at the of your life, would you refuse Nembutal, in spite of horrific suffering?

im not sure exactly the same views can be had here though. youre specifically talking about "end of life" which isnt the same situation as "optionally" ending your life.

 

[ksp]

i also encourage all of us (here, in this forum) to be respectful and supportive for mothers suffering from the loss of a child, from suicide: many parents go through incredible pain, and deserve deep empty

every one is working towards the same goal: reduce pain of humanity

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im not sure exactly the same views can be had here though. youre specifically talking about "end of life" which isnt the same situation as "optionally" ending your life

thank you!

i think you understand what i meant; please help me improve it (while i can still edit it)

 

[Life_and_Death]

thank you!

i think you understand what i meant; please help me improve it (while i can still edit it)

i think youre looking for a similar situation that someone that doesnt believe in suicide can see. however with assisted dying being a lot more widely available for end of life then it is for reasons that wont take your life on its own, its probably easier for them to say "oh well thats ok" while still disagreeing with suicide.
maybe a better example would be an illness that leaves the person in a "failed attempt state", cant talk, walk or do anything for themselves. the die hard absolutely donts will still be like "but family will take care of you" but its a little closer in comparison . ive had people try to argue with me but their argument agreed with me, so youll always have the die hard donts, but just filter them out lol

 

[ksp]

i think youre looking for a similar situation

i think i understand what you mean; i'm looking for a very concise question, that they will not dismiss so easily

please replace my question with another one (in one row), that is fair
(most of the world will probably read this forum, and our views)

 

[Forever Sleep]

While I think nembutal is the drug of choice when we think about assisted suicide, I'm pretty sure 'assisted dying' goes on in hospitals every day. When a person is clearly nearing the end of their life, I think there are quite often discreet discussions with patients and families to reduce the medication keeping them alive and gradually up the dosage of morphine- so they are drifting in and out of sleep until they finally pass. Honestly, I can't see many people expressing outrage at this- 'No, I want my beloved granny to linger on in pain indefinitely.'
I'd imagine the majority of us- pro-life or not hope that our and our family members last moments here aren't in lingering pain.

Guess I'm a bit confused at the wish to direct this question at the pro-lifers out there (on this forum anyhow). It's a good question and I'm sure there are pro-lifers among us but I'm not so sure they'll want to identify themselves for fear of being lynched! Still, I'm curious too...

 

[Life_and_Death]

that they will not dismiss so easily

well, thats part of the problem. it wont matter how much sense and logic you use. most of them will probably still deny it.
the way i find it typically goes with people like that is they tell you youre wrong, not even having a debate on the same level as you. spouting out things that have 0 to do with what was said. refusing to answer questions and just the general dodging of things. all while still trying to say their argument is correct.
even if you put it as a big flashing neon sign in their face, they will still deny it.

 

[Maudlin]

I've seen more and more threads like this. Did something happen that I missed? Is this about Amazon getting sued? Someone mentioned something about that.

The thought of Amazon getting sued for anything makes me smile. I can't think of a better target for a lawsuit.
There isn't any legislation that I'm aware of to list SN, or change its' status... unless someone has seen something I missed. Did someone see something I missed?

 

[ksp]

Guess I'm a bit confused at the wish to direct this question at the pro-lifers out there

thank you!

obviously i'm not waiting for any answers: i just want to make them think
i just want them to go home and really think about this (before 'reporting back')

 

[Maudlin]

I'm pretty sure 'assisted dying' goes on in hospitals every day. When a person is clearly nearing the end of their life, I think there are quite often discreet discussions with patients and families to reduce the medication keeping them alive and gradually up the dosage of morphine- so they are drifting in and out of sleep until they finally pass.

That's the whole reason Hospice exists, and thank heaven for em'. I've had 3 friends/family members at peace due to them.

 

[Forever Sleep]

thank you!

obviously i'm not waiting for any answers: i just want to make them think
i just want them to go home and really think about this (before 'reporting back')

Ha ha- yes- fair enough. I do admire you for fighting the 'cause.'

 

[Maudlin]

well, thats part of the problem. it wont matter how much sense and logic you use. most of them will probably still deny it.
the way i find it typically goes with people like that is they tell you youre wrong, not even having a debate on the same level as you. spouting out things that have 0 to do with what was said. refusing to answer questions and just the general dodging of things. all while still trying to say their argument is correct.
even if you put it as a big flashing neon sign in their face, they will still deny it.

Especially during an election year.

 

[ksp]

well, thats part of the problem

you made me laugh out loud :) and of course you are right
i'm still thinking of a better question…

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Did something happen that I missed?

nothing important, i was relating this to another thread:

Pro-lifers at work

 

[Forever Sleep]

That's the whole reason Hospice exists, and thank heaven for em'. I've had 3 friends/family members at peace due to them.

I expect it does happen quite a bit.

These sorts of questions/ petitions are so important though because doctors and nurses must be taking risks when they do this. The procedure SHOULD be legal when the person has no chance of living a reasonable life and has the capacity to make the decision. Doctors, nurses, family members and friends shouldn't have to risk being prosecuted for having compassion for a loved one and not wanting to see them suffer any longer. (So long as their motives aren't murderous of course.)

 

[👁️👃👁️]

That's the thing most of these people come from some sort of religious background or indoctrination and so they really don't care they would rather watch their loved ones suffer. I was reading this article on Christianity and Catholicism from way back in the day that I found on Alt.suicide.holiday and they mentioned not even believing in Mercy "killing" or assisted suicide.

No Murderer Has Eternal Life Abiding in Him (1 John 3:15)

I guess they would prefer people to suffer plus someone is making probably billions of dollars off of all of these sick patients and people who are dying. I mean really think about all the money that's made. Look at how much a hospital bill cost whenever you use an ambulance and have to get some sort of treatment. Sometimes it's 10,000 plus dollars. I mean go look at how much an ambulance bill cost by itself.

 

[FuneralCry]

I bet that they would want N if they were in a horrific situation with severe suffering. I mean why would anyone rather die a painful death from a disease. To me it would always be preferable having the option to peacefully exit at a time of my own choosing where I can control when I leave. I just think that a lot of pro lifers believe in delusions and see life as always worth living no matter what.

They are against suicide for everyone as they wouldn't selfishly want the people they know to die from it so they always see it as being wrong, but I do think that their views would change if they ended up with a disease or something that ruined their life. I mean you do hear of suicidal people who previously wanted to live and then they were brought to this point by life circumstances.

 

[ksp]

I guess they would prefer people to suffer…

They are against suicide for everyone…

you are both right, but don't focus on a specific category

pro-lifers with old mentally (religion) are fighting a loosing battle, and they'll continue to loose
newer generations are becoming more and more open minded - accepting 'doctor assisted euthanasia'

for example The New York Times don't have a 'Comments' section:
- because they'd be flooded with criticism (!) and they know it (they're desperate to preserve old mentally)

i'm asking more open-minded pro-lifers (more reasonable) to hurry up, for the sake of their children
their efforts should be moved to mental illness instead, where they'll be more productive - root of the problem, instead of just shoving it under the rug

 

[👁️👃👁️]

you are both right, but don't focus on a specific category

pro-lifers with old mentally (religion) are fighting a loosing battle, and they'll continue to loose
newer generations are becoming more and more open minded - accepting 'doctor assisted euthanasia'

for example The New York Times don't have a 'Comments' section:
- because they'd be flooded with criticism (!) and they know it (they're desperate to preserve old mentally)

i'm asking more open-minded pro-lifers (more reasonable) to hurry up, for the sake of their children
their efforts should be moved to mental illness instead, where they'll be more productive - root of the problem, instead of just shoving it under the rug

These people try to force their ideologies and beliefs on to others without trying to get our point of view and understanding of things and actually finding a solution to the issues they would just rather force their own beliefs on to everyone thinking that it's only their way or the highway and only their way works.

 

[ksp]

These people try to force their ideologies and beliefs on to others without trying to get our point of view and understanding of things and actually finding a solution to the issues they would just rather force their own beliefs on to everyone thinking that it's only their way or the highway and only their way works.

i know, and completely agree - very close-minded (i gave up on them)
but they're a dying breed…
younger generations will prove me right (they've started already), i'm just trying to speed it up