Question above about prolife/prodeath?

[redboxdye]

Ok so i don't want this to come off as rude in anyway, obviously i have dealt with suicidal thoughts, its not an easy thing im sorry to everyone who does and want to praise how strong you all are. I'm just wondering (and let me know if im wording this bad) why some people are "pro-death"?
Let me give some background for why im asking this, when i was 9 (im 18 now) my very close cousin killed himself, i had never experienced a death before i think that's important to this. Along with other issues in life, i have had severe cptsd from what happened. I think about him everyday, i dont think i will ever stop thinking about him. It's truly the worst thing that has and will ever happen to me, its the source of almost all my anxiety and triggers. Anyways my whole family has never been the same, my brother goes through intense therapy, we've both been heavily medicated since we were like 12-ish. What im trying to say here is as someone who has lived after knowing someone who has killed themself, and continues to battle with suicidal thoughts, i just can't wrap my head around why we should maybe push or accept the idea of suicide so heavily instead of trying to help each other. Even in my darkest times im still glad to be here (most of the time).
I just want to hear different people's thoughts on this, im very open minded and thought this would be a good place for a discussion.However, if this isnt the right place to ask this sorry please tell me!

 

[FuneralCry]

You just sound like a pro lifer. Just because you are glad to exist doesn't mean that others are. In regards to this site, I don't really think that people are "pro death", I mean you don't see people going around insisting that others must die, instead they respect the choices that other people have made for themselves, it's a pro choice forum not a pro life one, and anyway it's insulting to invalidate people's suffering by labelling them as "ill" and forcing the idea that they need help onto them. People come to this site to escape things like that, and anyway there is a "recovery" section for those who wish to stay here and are looking in advice in relation to that, or if people wanted to hear "don't ctb it gets better!!!" and other pro life drivel then they would just go anywhere else in this pro life society. Not everyone wants to delay their inevitable fate and that is the reality.

But I personally hold anti suffering views and this is nothing really to do with anybody else, I always see it as preferable to not exist but if other people wish to suffer and be tortured by old age then that's fine for them and I don't care. I know that I could never be delusional enough to want to exist here, I just have awareness that life is just an unnecessary harm, it's something futile and unappealing and is not for me. You might see value in life but I see beauty in the thought of permanent non existence. Life repluses me and I could never wish to be trapped inside a decaying flesh prison where we are only destined to suffer and die anyway. I just think that wanting suicide is the most logical response to being trapped inside this harmful world, existence is a burden to me and it's not an "illness" thinking this way, the fact is that life itself is the true problem.

And also nobody is obligated to continue existing here even if death makes other people sad. At least your cousin is now free from suffering, I'm sorry if this offends pro lifers but suicide is a decision in which people have every right to make. Grief and loss are just inevitable in life and we all have to die and lose everything someday, if people don't wish to deal with loss then they shouldn't procreate.

And by the way any of the so called "help" is just a scam to profit from people's suffering, locking suicidal people in psych wards where they end up being abused in there will only make people suffer more.