Punishment???

[Rezzienator]

I believe that life is solely based on karmic debt, karmic "justice", balance, vindication, and retribution system and bylaws. Life given was never intended to be a gift. It was given to punish, and pay off all our individual karmic debt. I believe in reincarnation, and I feel like this current life is the calculated sum and tally of many past existences. We are all spirits and energy forms of life. Those who have debt, are thrown into and contained into decaying chambers of mortality that house the individual. In our case our chambers of organs, blood, and flesh. Those in debt are sentenced to different realms of institutional infrastructures (Earth for us) that are designed to serve out sentences. Look around. Illness, Disease, famine, poverty, homelessness, depression, murder, abuse, discrimination, hatred, jealousy, favoritism, unhappiness, entrapment, enslavement, etc...This atmospheric plane we are housed on was never designed to be a place of happiness. This is a place of karmic debt payoff or consolidation. If you don't pay it off, you get thrusted back in after life, life is repeated in same form, or different. The reward for paying it off is eternal existence in a void that promotes tranquility and happiness, or complete non existence and termination from history. The choice would be yours.

Knowing this, as much as I want to die, I am conflicted.
Do I stay and serve my punishment in hopes of complete release, hoping to never come back,
Or do I take my chances and just off myself this once, because if the consequence is reincarnation and time added for the offense, at least I will know better and not do it again?

Or if I'm wrong about reincarnation,
At least I'll be gone for good.



Do I stay in this hell to get to my "heaven"?

 

[Darkover]

what's more realistic is that you only get one life , that or you've been here before may times living in a forest in the dark ages ect, We don't fully understand how consciousness is produced, Consciousness is almost certainly a result of neuron's in our brain, that there no real thing such as you life can't exist outside of matter, we don't really exist and once your gone your gone forever, but there's a lot more scientific evidence indicating life (consciousness) ends when electricity stops running through our neurons because our heart stopped. None of the unknowns in science show any indication in life after death or that consciousness is fundamental in anyway to the universe.

hell is life on earth
heaven is nothingness

 

[Kristicide]

what's more realistic is that you only get one life , that or you've been here before may times living in a forest in the dark ages ect, We don't fully understand how consciousness is produced, Consciousness is almost certainly a result of neuron's in our brain, that there no real thing such as you life can't exist outside of matter, we don't really exist and once your gone your gone forever, but there's a lot more scientific evidence indicating life (consciousness) ends when electricity stops running through our neurons because our heart stopped. None of the unknowns in science show any indication in life after death or that consciousness is fundamental in anyway to the universe.

I like this take on the initial question. I might add though that we do kinda keep living eternally if you view dying as your body transforming into something different. Yes, consciousness will be gone but the body will be absorbed back into the earth. Maybe we become a tree or something like that.

 

[Ta555]

I believe that life is solely based on karmic debt, karmic "justice", balance, vindication, and retribution system and bylaws. Life given was never intended to be a gift. It was given to punish, and pay off all our individual karmic debt. I believe in reincarnation, and I feel like this current life is the calculated sum and tally of many past existences. We are all spirits and energy forms of life. Those who have debt, are thrown into and contained into decaying chambers of mortality that house the individual. In our case our chambers of organs, blood, and flesh. Those in debt are sentenced to different realms of institutional infrastructures (Earth for us) that are designed to serve out sentences. Look around. Illness, Disease, famine, poverty, homelessness, depression, murder, abuse, discrimination, hatred, jealousy, favoritism, unhappiness, entrapment, enslavement, etc...This atmospheric plane we are housed on was never designed to be a place of happiness. This is a place of karmic debt payoff or consolidation. If you don't pay it off, you get thrusted back in after life, life is repeated in same form, or different. The reward for paying it off is eternal existence in a void that promotes tranquility and happiness, or complete non existence and termination from history. The choice would be yours.

Knowing this, as much as I want to die, I am conflicted.
Do I stay and serve my punishment in hopes of complete release, hoping to never come back,
Or do I take my chances and just off myself this once, because if the consequence is reincarnation and time added for the offense, at least I will know better and not do it again?

Or if I'm wrong about reincarnation,
At least I'll be gone for good.



Do I stay in this hell to get to my "heaven"?

Or you can just stop believing something so complicated and which has no evidence, like any afterlife.

 

[Toxic Positivity]

Knowing this,

You don't know this, though.

 

[Ta555]

You don't know this, though.

Exactly...I was gonna say. It's just something OP believes. We know facts. We believe in things which have not or cannot be proven.

 

[Priestess]

This makes no sense. Firstly how did humans get karmic debt in the first place? If everything was all nice and perfect to start with. Secondly many people clearly just act in a way that would build up more karmic debt here, nit get rid of the ones they already have. and what is the point of going through all this and clearing your karmic debt only to be wiped from existence? why not just wipe our existence now?

 

[GentleJerk]

@Rezzienator 'For the wages of sin is death', huh?

I enjoyed reading this, thank you for sharing.

 

[Superdeterminist]

This makes no sense. Firstly how did humans get karmic debt in the first place? If everything was all nice and perfect to start with. Secondly many people clearly just act in a way that would build up more karmic debt here, nit get rid of the ones they already have. and what is the point of going through all this and clearing your karmic debt only to be wiped from existence? why not just wipe our existence now?

This.

 

[Shu]

Follow your intuition friend.

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not believe in any of what has been written about, there is no actual evidence to support it at all. I believe that we are only here because of evolution, and life is just a pointless experience that we go through for the sake of it. Life is completely meaningless, everything is determined by luck and chance, random factors out of our control. I believe that when we die, we lose consciousness and we simply cease to exist. That is it.

 

[Sittichmutter]

I believe that life is solely based on karmic debt, karmic "justice", balance, vindication, and retribution system and bylaws. Life given was never intended to be a gift. It was given to punish, and pay off all our individual karmic debt. I believe in reincarnation, and I feel like this current life is the calculated sum and tally of many past existences. We are all spirits and energy forms of life. Those who have debt, are thrown into and contained into decaying chambers of mortality that house the individual. In our case our chambers of organs, blood, and flesh. Those in debt are sentenced to different realms of institutional infrastructures (Earth for us) that are designed to serve out sentences. Look around. Illness, Disease, famine, poverty, homelessness, depression, murder, abuse, discrimination, hatred, jealousy, favoritism, unhappiness, entrapment, enslavement, etc...This atmospheric plane we are housed on was never designed to be a place of happiness. This is a place of karmic debt payoff or consolidation. If you don't pay it off, you get thrusted back in after life, life is repeated in same form, or different. The reward for paying it off is eternal existence in a void that promotes tranquility and happiness, or complete non existence and termination from history. The choice would be yours.

Knowing this, as much as I want to die, I am conflicted.
Do I stay and serve my punishment in hopes of complete release, hoping to never come back,
Or do I take my chances and just off myself this once, because if the consequence is reincarnation and time added for the offense, at least I will know better and not do it again?

Or if I'm wrong about reincarnation,
At least I'll be gone for good.



Do I stay in this hell to get to my "heaven"?

Yes, you should stay. Turn your living Hell into your Heaven by doing good for other souls. Let It Go from yourself. Help other people. Learn to forgive, yourself and others. Do not judge, Everyone suffers. Learn to love, to work to make our world better .
In about one year, you will see the results.
I wish you the best!
And lots of Love

 

[OldDrummer]

Or you can just stop believing something so complicated and which has no evidence, like any afterlife.

There's been lots of empirical research done by Dr. Ian Stevenson and Dr. Michael Newton.

There's also the James Linegar case:

 

[Shu]

 

[Crazy4u]

honestly, I don't think I can go to heaven if I was not suicidal. I see myself going to hell anyway. The decision to ctb is because I can't carry on.

 

[Ta555]

There's been lots of empirical research done by Dr. Ian Stevenson and Dr. Michael Newton.

There's also the James Linegar case:

All I have to say is lol.

 

[Jack4230]

I believe in reincarnation and think that since we exist now we will exist forever in different forms. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[motel rooms]

Those in debt are sentenced to different realms of institutional infrastructures (Earth for us) that are designed to serve out sentences. Look around. Illness, Disease, famine, poverty, homelessness, depression, murder, abuse, discrimination, hatred, jealousy, favoritism, unhappiness, entrapment, enslavement, etc...This atmospheric plane we are housed on was never designed to be a place of happiness. This is a place of karmic debt payoff or consolidation. If you don't pay it off, you get thrusted back in after life, life is repeated in same form, or different.

Do you realize you're saying that all SS members deserve to suffer? If you said that I deserved to be brutally abused as a little child to my face, I'd take you out of this horrible world with my bare hands.

 

[Of The Universe]

Do you realize you're saying that all SS members deserve to suffer? If you said that I deserved to be brutally abused as a little child to my face, I'd take you out of this horrible world with my bare hands.

Be as the lotus blossom which gently floats in its pond

 

[motel rooms]

Be as the lotus blossom which gently floats in its pond

If someone subjects you to unimaginable forms of torture, suffer in passivity & silence because you deserve to be treated like shit; there are no injustices, karma knows that you were evil scum in your previous lives.

 

[Of The Universe]

Two monks,early one morning,left their monastery and went to a nearby village to buy supplies.
It had rained the nite before and the streets were quite muddy.
The monks,approaching the village store,spied a beautiful young girl standing on the wooden walkway. She was dressed very well and was apparently afraid to cross the street lest her nice clothes get muddied.
One of the monks wordlessly approached her,picked her up in his arms,and walked across the street. He set her down and returned to his comrade.
The monks finished their shopping and returned to the monastery.
The other monk had not said a word about the young girl all day,but as they sat down for tea,he decided he must speak up.
"Do you think," he said accusingly," it was right for you to pick up that girl and carry her in your arms as you did?"
The first monk replied pleasantly," Oh the girl? Are you still carrying her? I put her down hours ago."

That night,after evening meditation,the first monk lay in his simple bed. He hiked up his robe and grabbed his dick. He jacked off furiously, thinking about the feel of that "fine ass bitch!"

 

[Shu]

You should check out
Reincarnation - The Cycle of Necessity by Manly P Hall. Good Read.

 

[Priestess]

You should check out
Reincarnation - The Cycle of Necessity by Manly P Hall. Good Read.

Oh please. Some people say we're going to be reincarnated, christianity says we're getting one life then going to hell if we didn't believe in jesus, other religions say other shit. none of them have any proof. why should we believe any of it, and why specifically the exact thing you believe in?