Venting Pro lifers and shit

[MrDarkness]

Now there has been dozens of posts on shitting on "pro lifers" first I wanna say pro lifers are often said to people who try to convince others not to die, or by saying suicide is wrong and how it solves nothing etc white knight type shit.

People who visit this site to confront and try to save lives it doesn't work and it won't ever work, hell I originally tried to join to help people, fuck I wanna ctb just as bad life is ironic isn't it? a former member death really opened my eyes, some people don't wanna be saved some just wanna die and there isn't any shame to it, it's okay to cry and mourn about the dozens of people who posted goodbye threads, but even if they were told to stop they wouldn't, death is a natural thing and needs to stop being shit on especially suicide. Let's not ignore the obvious, a majority join the site to find information about suicide they are either planning or waiting for the right time or are wanting to meet like minded people no shame in this

One other thing, people that say life gets better, first off it's rude to assume everyone might have a good future, second you can't see the future so stop acting like you do, I used to be one of these people but I learned some people lives may truly not get better, they deserve to be comforted before they attempted and no one encourages suicide here, saying gl or goodbye isn't encouraging it, they are just saying I hope your able to find peace, I have yet to see one person on this site encouraging others to die.

Sorry for the rant or some shit, after my attempt suicide, life has been on my mind, some days I almost cry when I think about people who post goodbye threads, I'll never forget those, hell I'll join them sooner or later. Today just feels like a reflecting day, life is a gamble some days are ok some days are so fucking bad we wish to die. I wanna know your thoughts on this?

 

[Lulzacruel]

i agree with you. people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their life, even if it means killing themselves.

i find it ironic how pro-lifers often encourage freedom over the mind and person, yet complain when somebody actually uses their own rights.

???

 

[MrDarkness]

i agree with you. people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their life, even if it means killing themselves.

i find it ironic how pro-lifers often encourage freedom over the mind and person, yet complain when somebody actually uses their own rights.

???

It's the human urge or desire to help and save people and it's also backed by guilt, they try to "save" people because it brings them peace, it's not their fault more of the human mind or brain

 

[m4rius]

You can spot the few that register here and spout their pro-life drivel, it's done to please their own egos, not out of kindness. Thank god it's rare.

 

[exiled]

I do not identify as a pro-lifer at all. However, sometimes my heart naturally leans toward wanting to hold hope for someone even when they don't feel it. It's wishful thinking, but I also know that if someone has truly come to the decision that it is their time, then they deserve the love and support through the process. I personally feel I have reached (or almost) the end of my rope which is why I am here. It would be nice to have someone give me compassion and grace, tell me they WISHED my life would get better but... in the end I would want total acceptance.

I just worry sometimes I come across too pro-lifey on people's posts. Feels like second hand survival instinct.

 

[MrDarkness]

You can spot the few that register here and spout their pro-life drivel, it's done to please their own egos, not out of kindness. Thank god it's rare.

Some I feel it's ego, some feel genuine, still they shouldn't spout there stuff in SS

I do not identify as a pro-lifer at all. However, sometimes my heart naturally leans toward wanting to hold hope for someone even when they don't feel it. It's wishful thinking, but I also know that if someone has truly come to the decision that it is their time, then they deserve the love and support through the process. I personally feel I have reached (or almost) the end of my rope which is why I am here. It would be nice to have someone give me compassion and grace, tell me they WISHED my life would get better but... in the end I would want total acceptance.

I just worry sometimes I come across too pro-lifey on people's posts. Feels like second hand survival instinct.

Don't blame yourself it's natural, I hope your life gets better, I hope your able to find peace in life or death

 

[neveragreedtothis]

They are pro-life until it inconveniences their own life in any way

 

[starlover]

It's hard. I think you're right: the human instinct is to save others. Which is a good thing given how dark the world can be.

Still, life isn't black and white. Sometimes people want to be comforted before the end. I've told people my suicidal thoughts and their instinct is always "don't." Not even "why," which I could handle. I would love to vent about why my life is horrible and I want to end it, and be told "I understand, that's rough" at the end of it. But I don't get that. Just "don't." "You would hurt so many people." Which is frustrating as hell and makes me not want to bring anything up again.

I am slowly learning not to blame them. At the same time I can't really go to them for aid or comfort, in the same way that I can't go to a salad place for a good burger. Doesn't do me any good going to Salads-R-Us and complaining that their burger sucks.

That's why I'm here; because the people here understand. =')

 

[MrDarkness]

It's hard. I think you're right: the human instinct is to save others. Which is a good thing given how dark the world can be.

Still, life isn't black and white. Sometimes people want to be comforted before the end. I've told people my suicidal thoughts and their instinct is always "don't." Not even "why," which I could handle. I would love to vent about why my life is horrible and I want to end it, and be told "I understand, that's rough" at the end of it. But I don't get that. Just "don't." "You would hurt so many people." Which is frustrating as hell and makes me not want to bring anything up again.

I am slowly learning not to blame them. At the same time I can't really go to them for aid or comfort, in the same way that I can't go to a salad place for a good burger. Doesn't do me any good going to Salads-R-Us and complaining that their burger sucks.

That's why I'm here; because the people here understand. =')

Exactly bro exactly

 

[RatMaster250]

It annoys me so much! They think that they're some noble person doing good work but deep down they are terrible human beings. Same with the mental health industry, they think that locking suicidal people up and shoving pills down their throuts is 'heroic'

 

[delusionalgirl]

They are pro-life until it inconveniences their own life in any way

This right here! I've known people like this. Then after said incident went right back to prolife. I'm like so it's ok for you but not anyone else? This was a good friend. We haven't spoken since then.

 

[TheHuman]

Pro-Lifers, act like suicide is the same murder, when its just you doing what you want with your "gift" of life. Is that hard to comprehend that we just don't want to live an simultaneity meaningless life? Its the short sighted politicians who are gonna die in 30 years maximum, oh but why is their deaths any different than mine? Since they didn't murder themselves'? But they murdered themselves by smoking all those cigarettes did they not? WHY IS SN ANY DIFFERENT FROM CIGARETTES? they both kill you, over time! Its so stupid.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Well said! I Agree with it.

From an evolutionary point of view it's certainly a bad thing when a clan / a group loses a member because this member is important for the group. This is probably the thing behind the instictive "rescue attempts" from prolifers. But actually nowadays this isn't an issue at all anymore. Ofc family doesn't want to feel grief and loss, understable, but we also want our own suffering to be over and this has to be respected as well.

 

[day]

Pro-lifers are the reason ones like us who suffer everyday are forced to continue to suffer. Everyone deserves a way out if they desire and can consent to it. The world is so cruel to people like us,

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think SOMETIMES their hearts are in the right place. They may feel like they have found the secret to leading a 'happy' life and they want to share it. I can actually imagine how they might feel. I have had one or two joyful moments in life. In those moments- I wanted everyone to feel the same joy. I wished they could.

Here's the difference though- I realised I couldn't MAKE people feel like that. I really think emotions need to be organic and I think you need to be open and wanting to feel that. Plus- for THAT person- things need to align in THEIR life for them to be able to feel that. That's going to be different for everyone. Some people can seemingly ignore all sorts of things and feel happy. Others can't. Others don't even want to. We're all different. We're all wired differently, our circumstances are different and we've had varying experiences in life that have taught us about the world.

That's what I find the most frustrating about pro-lifers- even if they mean well- they won't acknowledge this. They'll insist that they are just the same as us- or- have been. How do they really know?

Worse though is when they become demeaning- 'My way of thinking and seeing the world is right (because I'm happy,) yours is wrong- or sick.' They ought to perhaps consider that psychopaths and sociopaths likely take pleasure from what they're doing- even if it happens to be murdering someone. Just because you're happy about something- doesn't mean it's right. It just means you've found something that fulfils your physiological/ psychological/ emotional needs. Some people simply can't find something to do that to begin with. Others realise that even though they might enjoy something- it isn't enough.

Even worse though- they won't acknowledge choice. Ultimately- that's what they're saying- you have no choice but to live and because of that- you SHOULD do what you can to be 'happy'. That would- of course make more sense if it was true. But it isn't- we DO have a choice. I think that's why these threads do often end up getting nasty. When they realise their 'saviour complex' dreams are dashed and that some people will CHOOSE not to be happy and not to take their advice- we get down to the bare basics of- 'You can't die. You can't do this to yourself AND to those around you' and of course- that goes down like a lead balloon on a pro-choice site!

 

[flyingrabbitt]

I do not identify as a pro-lifer at all. However, sometimes my heart naturally leans toward wanting to hold hope for someone even when they don't feel it. It's wishful thinking, but I also know that if someone has truly come to the decision that it is their time, then they deserve the love and support through the process. I personally feel I have reached (or almost) the end of my rope which is why I am here. It would be nice to have someone give me compassion and grace, tell me they WISHED my life would get better but... in the end I would want total acceptance.

I just worry sometimes I come across too pro-lifey on people's posts. Feels like second hand survival instinct.

Same here, it makes me sad when people ctb but i know there's nothing i could do to stop them because it's their life and they deserve a way out if they want one, still makes me sad and I've found putting that energy towards advocating for more funding for mental health services and reform for psych wards and how we treat suicidal people to be very rewarding

 

[carac]

I'm well into recovery now but I have been hanging around here and sometimes attempting to "save" people, mainly in the recovery section, but it's the suicide section where I see the most desperation.

I am in no way a pro lifer, I desperately wanted to die and survived multiple attempts to ctb, if anyone is so desperate they want to end their suffering they have my blessing.

I just can't get out of my head that there could be somebody out there suffering from chronic physical pain like I was and in some way I feel duty bound to help if I can at all.

 

[FuneralCry]

Pro-lifers repulse me personally, I'm pleased that you changed your views as pro-lifers just cause more harm. And I just think the whole concept of pro-life is absurd in the first place as no matter what other people think, none of us are obligated to continue existing here and many people just wish to take control over their inevitable fate in a world filled with endless suffering. I despise existence and see death as being the only relief and I don't care how other people view this, existing could never be desirable and appealing to me.

 

[Valky]

I do not identify as a pro-lifer at all. However, sometimes my heart naturally leans toward wanting to hold hope for someone even when they don't feel it. It's wishful thinking, but I also know that if someone has truly come to the decision that it is their time, then they deserve the love and support through the process. I personally feel I have reached (or almost) the end of my rope which is why I am here. It would be nice to have someone give me compassion and grace, tell me they WISHED my life would get better but... in the end I would want total acceptance.

I just worry sometimes I come across too pro-lifey on people's posts. Feels like second hand survival instinct.

It's okay, I felt like that too when I first got here :) but with time you learn more about the horrible struggles and the reasoning behind people deciding to ctb. I also wish that everyone could recover and live a better life but communicating with people here showed me that for a lot that is just not possible. We are tired, we deserve to rest.

 

[leavingsoon99]

Now there has been dozens of posts on shitting on "pro lifers" first I wanna say pro lifers are often said to people who try to convince others not to die, or by saying suicide is wrong and how it solves nothing etc white knight type shit.

People who visit this site to confront and try to save lives it doesn't work and it won't ever work, hell I originally tried to join to help people, fuck I wanna ctb just as bad life is ironic isn't it? a former member death really opened my eyes, some people don't wanna be saved some just wanna die and there isn't any shame to it, it's okay to cry and mourn about the dozens of people who posted goodbye threads, but even if they were told to stop they wouldn't, death is a natural thing and needs to stop being shit on especially suicide. Let's not ignore the obvious, a majority join the site to find information about suicide they are either planning or waiting for the right time or are wanting to meet like minded people no shame in this

One other thing, people that say life gets better, first off it's rude to assume everyone might have a good future, second you can't see the future so stop acting like you do, I used to be one of these people but I learned some people lives may truly not get better, they deserve to be comforted before they attempted and no one encourages suicide here, saying gl or goodbye isn't encouraging it, they are just saying I hope your able to find peace, I have yet to see one person on this site encouraging others to die.

Sorry for the rant or some shit, after my attempt suicide, life has been on my mind, some days I almost cry when I think about people who post goodbye threads, I'll never forget those, hell I'll join them sooner or later. Today just feels like a reflecting day, life is a gamble some days are ok some days are so fucking bad we wish to die. I wanna know your thoughts on this?

Very well articulated. A lot of people on this site, if you read their posts, are still holding out for some type of hope. However much that may be. There's nothing wrong with that. Some people, like myself (and I think you), are dead-set on our decision and just want support and to meet like minded people that we can openly discuss our plans with. There's nothing wrong with that either. I think that's the cool thing about this platform is that it doesn't censor suicide talk. Self-termination is seen as one of the "ultimate sins" in this culture.

Life-warriors simply just don't understand that life, sometimes, really is not worth living. Furthermore, they attach some abstract, arbitrary value to life that they wish to impose on others. Now this can come from religious beliefs, natural fear of death, some form of altruism, or a myriad of other perspectives. However, life's value differs from person to person. To some, life really isn't worth it. For others, this is the ultimate experience that should be cherished. Neither is wrong. Both are wrong when they try to impose their beliefs onto others. For myself, life really isn't worth it. There is no getting better, because I wouldn't know what "better" even looks like. Personally nor externally. I look at how humanity has organized itself and have come to the conclusion that even if I were to become more financially stable, and my health were to improve, I'd still be a part of a bigger problem and delusion. I don't see being more comfortably situated within a corrupt society as being "better" for me. I don't see sharing in the corruption and classism of society as improvement for me. I see unnecessary suffering. I see unnecessary division. I don't see any reason to think that the human is going to evolve past its own greed and rapaciousness. So, life's value different for me.

I will say that I think that self-terminating should be something that is considered after a person has done a long, honest, thorough look at their life. I don't think it should be done on impulse. I think a person should at least try to envision what "better" means for themselves. "It gets better" is said by people who see their own improvement as a universal truth that can happen for others without actually knowing how the person they're trying to help defines "better" for themselves. If it's possible to reach that "better", I think it's worth it for someone to try and go for it if they have the means, resources, and support to do it. Failing that, suicide should never be denied nor demonized.

 

[MrDarkness]

Very well articulated. A lot of people on this site, if you read their posts, are still holding out for some type of hope. However much that may be. There's nothing wrong with that. Some people, like myself (and I think you), are dead-set on our decision and just want support and to meet like minded people that we can openly discuss our plans with. There's nothing wrong with that either. I think that's the cool thing about this platform is that it doesn't censor suicide talk. Self-termination is seen as one of the "ultimate sins" in this culture.

Life-warriors simply just don't understand that life, sometimes, really is not worth living. Furthermore, they attach some abstract, arbitrary value to life that they wish to impose on others. Now this can come from religious beliefs, natural fear of death, some form of altruism, or a myriad of other perspectives. However, life's value differs from person to person. To some, life really isn't worth it. For others, this is the ultimate experience that should be cherished. Neither is wrong. Both are wrong when they try to impose their beliefs onto others. For myself, life really isn't worth it. There is no getting better, because I wouldn't know what "better" even looks like. Personally nor externally. I look at how humanity has organized itself and have come to the conclusion that even if I were to become more financially stable, and my health were to improve, I'd still be a part of a bigger problem and delusion. I don't see being more comfortably situated within a corrupt society as being "better" for me. I don't see sharing in the corruption and classism of society as improvement for me. I see unnecessary suffering. I see unnecessary division. I don't see any reason to think that the human is going to evolve past its own greed and rapaciousness. So, life's value different for me.

I will say that I think that self-terminating should be something that is considered after a person has done a long, honest, thorough look at their life. I don't think it should be done on impulse. I think a person should at least try to envision what "better" means for themselves. "It gets better" is said by people who see their own improvement as a universal truth that can happen for others without actually knowing how the person they're trying to help defines "better" for themselves. If it's possible to reach that "better", I think it's worth it for someone to try and go for it if they have the means, resources, and support to do it. Failing that, suicide should never be denied nor demonized.

Exactly, you said it better then I ever could lol