Practical questions about sealing the mask on the 'Debreather' Nitzschke is selling soon

[NotWhatIExpected]

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This is the Debreather website Phil Nitschke linked on his Twitter: https://www.right2die.org/

On the one hand the video/instructions for the 'Debreather' make sealing the mask seem pretty tricky, but on the other hand if you improperly sealed the mask the first time and had to try to inflate the mask again a second time, would it cause pain? Or do you think it wouldn't hurt at all?
I'm going to be honest, it makes me a little nervous

I hope it turns out peaceful

For me the clincher would be whether breathing is hard while you still have the mask over your face but before the tubes are attached
*^(EDIT: I just looked this up and the instructions say that as a form of initial testing of the airtight seal you can hold your hand to the opening to block air intake--which implies that you can freely breath through the mask before it is obstructed or the one tube is attached into the mask opening)

I wonder if some legal body intentionally made Nitschke design a fairly complex method to try to make sure people had a lot of time to say no to the prospect of ending their lives?

Fairly misguided idea, if you ask me

Still I hope this ends up being a painless and peaceful method

I just want everyone to be cool and calm and look at life through those eyes

There's no reason for all this strife and anxiousness

I hope everyone has peace

*Further edit: Still, I'm just not in love with the complexity of this method, it adds in my opinion an unnecessary amount of performance anxiety

 

[Heady_Cerebrum]

I'm confused as to what you think would be painful about the mask? As far as the complexity, I'm not really sure I agree that it's all that complex. How do you think this device could be made easier?

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I'm confused as to what you think would be painful about the mask? As far as the complexity, I'm not really sure I agree that it's all that complex. How do you think this device could be made easier?

I'm not sure how "married to reality" this thought of mine is, but the video/instructions kept saying how important it was to make sure the mask was totally sealed--

I guess pain isn't really probable (you'd reseal the mask if you felt pain) but I was wondering what the effects would be if the rebreather wasn't perfectly sealed

Like, could you use it with an improperly-sealed mask and end up passing out and waking up with brain damage? Or is the danger just that of not dying and being found after passing out trying to kill yourself?

"As far as the complexity, I'm not really sure I agree that it's all that complex. How do you think this device could be made easier?"

I guess just the fact that it is not literally idiot-proof and there's a fair amount of smaller parts to assemble (I guess there's also no easy way of getting around that people's faces are different--I hope the device itself comes with a booklet though, as I can imagine a situation where I don't have a computer near me.) I guess I'm also not crazy about the device having to sit on your chest, although maybe there's no other real way, it just seems like it could create for a feeling of being trapped or some other unpleasantness

I think what worried me more is the fact that the bag/soda lime go bad if you open earlier than "3-5 days before your intended suicide"--which seems like a waste and a good way to ruin a good device, particularly as you'd probably want to open it to inspect it as being legit when you first got it. (I know the instructions say to "re-seal it with an iron" but that sounds annoying and tricky to me, particularly if I'm in a situation where I don't have an iron)

Also I think part of the psychological appeal for me of something like a rebreather is being able to leave it to posterity who also need a way out--like "everyone has their own rebreather" (you can add a 'once they hit legal age' disclaimer there if you want, although hopefully a world without extremely harshly conditions for most/all youth would be in existence so that wasn't an cruel corollary), and the fact that it's not exactly inherent-knowledge how to set up a rebreather makes me kinda sad (as opposed to Nembutal where the simplicity of just eating it comes into play)

I guess also don't like that the Rebreather can only be used once, also

Although I guess it might be kind of gross/morbid to re-use someone else's close-fitting suicide device

(^*in the same vein, if someone kills themselves with a shotgun in the mouth, does the blood/etc disable the shotgun? Would really screw over someone you had a suicide pact with/were in a bunker with--

I guess you could have one friend shoot the other first but that's probably pretty sad and also people might think you murdered them)

I feel kind of weird writing this all out but I think painless suicide machines are important

Also, the writing seemed kind of vague with the delivery info--if I try to deliver this to North America, will I get arrested?

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I'm not sure how "married to reality" this thought of mine is, but the video/instructions kept saying how important it was to make sure the mask was totally sealed--

I guess pain isn't really probable (you'd reseal the mask if you felt pain) but I was wondering what the effects would be if the rebreather wasn't perfectly sealed

Like, could you use it with an improperly-sealed mask and end up passing out and waking up with brain damage? Or is the danger just that of not dying and being found after passing out trying to kill yourself?

"As far as the complexity, I'm not really sure I agree that it's all that complex. How do you think this device could be made easier?"

I guess just the fact that it is not literally idiot-proof and there's a fair amount of smaller parts to assemble (I guess there's also no easy way of getting around that people's faces are different--I hope the device itself comes with a booklet though, as I can imagine a situation where I don't have a computer near me.) I guess I'm also not crazy about the device having to sit on your chest, although maybe there's no other real way, it just seems like it could create for a feeling of being trapped or some other unpleasantness

I think what worried me more is the fact that the bag/soda lime go bad if you open earlier than "3-5 days before your intended suicide"--which seems like a waste and a good way to ruin a good device, particularly as you'd probably want to open it to inspect it as being legit when you first got it. (I know the instructions say to "re-seal it with an iron" but that sounds annoying and tricky to me, particularly if I'm in a situation where I don't have an iron)

Also I think part of the psychological appeal for me of something like a rebreather is being able to leave it to posterity who also need a way out--like "everyone has their own rebreather" (you can add a 'once they hit legal age' disclaimer there if you want, although hopefully a world without extremely harshly conditions for most/all youth would be in existence so that wasn't an cruel corollary), and the fact that it's not exactly inherent-knowledge how to set up a rebreather makes me kinda sad (as opposed to Nembutal where the simplicity of just eating it comes into play)

I guess also don't like that the Rebreather can only be used once, also

Although I guess it might be kind of gross/morbid to re-use someone else's close-fitting suicide device

(^*in the same vein, if someone kills themselves with a shotgun in the mouth, does the blood/etc disable the shotgun? Would really screw over someone you had a suicide pact with/were in a bunker with--

I guess you could have one friend shoot the other first but that's probably pretty sad and also people might think you murdered them)

I feel kind of weird writing this all out but I think painless suicide machines are important

Also, the writing seemed kind of vague with the delivery info--if I try to deliver this to North America, will I get arrested?

I'm sorry if I'm being overly annoying, I think I'm just trying to make sure it's legit and I don't fuck up and believe in something stupid, which I've done before

Oddly enough outside of a lot of that one link I actually think the debreather sounds and looks awesome

I think the first time I saw it it looked like a cool pilot's mask or scuba mask (or what I vaguely if inaccurately remember the giant dead alien astronomer wearing in the movie Alien) or something, but parts of that one video make it look a little more like torture device or like Bane or the Man in the Iron Mask

Idk if it's childish of me to share all that but there it is

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

The mask doesn't look like it would be suitable for someone with a sunken face, which is a common characteristic among very terminally ill people, nor those with a recessed or weak chin.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I must have missed something here. I followed that link and all my red alert spidersenses started tingling. Surely, it's a scam.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I must have missed something here. I followed that link and all my red alert spidersenses started tingling. Surely, it's a scam.

It didn't feel right to me, either

Not saying it definitely is a scam or something else bad, it just felt weird to me reading it

 

[arainynight]

I think most of the questions you still have about the debreather will be answered soon. Personally I'm gonna buy one as soon as it is available.

The first Livestream for 2020 will be held on Thursday 6 February 2020 at Meeting Park Forum @ Mannerheimintie 20B, 6 Kerros, 00100, Helsinki, Finland.

The Livestream will comprise 2 parts:

1. An Exit public meeting titled 'End of Life Rights as the Ultimate Human Right'.
2. Outline & discussion of the 'DeBreather'

https://exitinternational.net/livestreams/

 

[NextBusLeaving]

You can make your own.

 

[lmroch]

I think most of the questions you still have about the debreather will be answered soon.

Also Stated " The device goes on sale in the US (shipping globally) on 1 February 2020.
All inquiries regarding the DeBreather should be directed to its inventor, not to Exit. This is not an Exit invention!

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[Deleted member 1465]

I wait with bated breath.

Sry

 

[liverpoolfan]

Would it kill them to add a 2 to the end of the DeBreather number?

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Except its not for sale globally. Website states production delayed until 2/9 at least bc of coronavirus in China.

Contrary to Exits reports, it is made in and shipped from China.

 

[mpnf]

Except its not for sale globally. Website states production delayed until 2/9 at least bc of coronavirus in China.

Contrary to Exits reports, it is made in and shipped from China.

How do you know that? It says above on the screenshot that "is on sale in the US and ships globally"
Therefore, what's your point?

 

[lmroch]

* Breaking News * Coronavirus Delays Shipping of DeBreather *
(email just received from Exit)

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[HelensNepenthe]

How do you know that? It says above on the screenshot that "is on sale in the US and ships globally"
Therefore, what's your point?

Exit in this situation only acts as a forwarder of information.

 

[mpnf]

* Breaking News * Coronavirus Delays Shipping of DeBreather *
(email just received from Exit)

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That's no news. When you check the website and click on the purchase button, it comes up with the same info you just posted. From several days ago.

Exit in this situation only acts as a forwarder of information.

Yeah but what do you mean with the "not shipping globally?
Where did you read it?

 

[NextBusLeaving]

That's no news. When you check the website and click on the purchase button, it comes up with the same info you just posted. From several days ago.

Yeah but what do you mean with the "not shipping globally?
Where did you read it?

I didnt say it doesnt SHIP globally. I am saying shipping is not from a "US warehouse" as Exit said in their original post, but from China. This is why everything is delayed.

 

[lmroch]

That's no news.

That is what the email said that I received 5 minutes before posting. Please don't tell me, or anyone else, it's not new news, the breaking news is that it is postponed because of the virus. - My other post stated it won't be available till February, that is why you got the not available.

Bottom line that is the email I JUST RECEIVED! Every single screen shot I posted was from an email I received.

 

[mpnf]

I didnt say it doesnt SHIP globally. I am saying shipping is not from a "US warehouse" as Exit said in their original post, but from China. This is why everything is delayed.

Ok sorry for the misunderstanding. : )

That is what the email said that I received 5 minutes before posting. Please don't tell me, or anyone else, it's not new news, the breaking news is that it is postponed because of the virus. - My other post stated it won't be available till February, that is why you got the not available.

Bottom line that is the email I JUST RECEIVED! Every single screen shot I posted was from an email I received.

Ok , sorry then. Couldn't comprehend it well enough.

 

[liverpoolfan]

Personally I find this interesting. I'd had my heart set on N (excuse the pseud, but there's something vaguely Socratic about going out via poison) but I only have one (expired) bottle and getting more seems to be getting increasingly difficult to the point of impossibility.
I wonder how long the 'shelf-life' of this product is?
Tbh I'm not particularly keen on all the steps involved and having to strap a box to my chest (drinking N on some English hillside on a summer's eve seemed so much more poetic and free) but, I suppose if N isn't available, this at least has the advantage of being an option.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Soda lime has no expiration date per se to my knowledge. Kept dry it will be good indefinitely.

 

[Heady_Cerebrum]

It's not a scam. The device is sound in its design and will cause death if used as stated.

The mask doesn't look like it would be suitable for someone with a sunken face, which is a common characteristic among very terminally ill people, nor those with a recessed or weak chin.

The mask is designed to be used on many different face shapes, it was one of the things that delayed the release of a commercial version of this manner of death. The mask has an inflatable cushion/collar surrounding the outer edges. Adjusting the cushion will facilitate creating a secure seal. This is also aided by the chin and head strap.

Soda lime has no expiration date per se to my knowledge. Kept dry it will be good indefinitely.

Even if it did happen to go bad I don't think it would be too hard for someone who is determined to swap out the canister.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

It's not a scam. The device is sound in its design and will cause death if used as stated.

The mask is designed to be used on many different face shapes, it was one of the things that delayed the release of a commercial version of this manner of death. The mask has an inflatable cushion/collar surrounding the outer edges. Adjusting the cushion will facilitate creating a secure seal. This is also aided by the chin and head strap.



Even if it did happen to go bad I don't think it would be too hard for someone who is determined to swap out the canister.

Yeah iirc it comes with 3 different sized masks so you can pick which one fits best. And no it looks like the canister is simply taped shut so easy to refill or swap. The absorbent has a colored dye for visual indication when it expires but kept from air it wont go bad.

 

[zi99]

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Также заявлено: «Устройство поступит в продажу в США (доставка по всему миру) 1 февраля 2020 года.
Все запросы относительно DeBreather должны быть направлены к его изобретателю, а не к Exit. Это не выходное изобретение!

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is debreather on sale now? Where I can order it?

 

[liverpoolfan]

I feel pretty guilty about feeling pretty pissed off about coronavirus choosing fucking NOW to emerge. I mean I feel bad for those poor people who didn't want to die but some of us are trying to kill ourselves here goddammit.

 

[liverpoolfan]

BTW the product page now says "Hoping to remove this page by March 2" - which I'm assuming means they'll be able to take orders.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Personally I find this interesting. I'd had my heart set on N (excuse the pseud, but there's something vaguely Socratic about going out via poison) but I only have one (expired) bottle and getting more seems to be getting increasingly difficult to the point of impossibility.
I wonder how long the 'shelf-life' of this product is?
Tbh I'm not particularly keen on all the steps involved and having to strap a box to my chest (drinking N on some English hillside on a summer's eve seemed so much more poetic and free) but, I suppose if N isn't available, this at least has the advantage of being an option.

I agree with the number of steps "taking you out of it"

Some pictures they've shown for the debreather have the plastic bag portion outside of the cloth bag, which looks better, I'm not sure if the risk of destruction of the plastic bag is higher that way, though

Here's the pic:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOWfWYjWoAIQYCm.jpg

I feel pretty guilty about feeling pretty pissed off about coronavirus choosing fucking NOW to emerge. I mean I feel bad for those poor people who didn't want to die but some of us are trying to kill ourselves here goddammit.

I felt like I was having a mindgame played on me when I read that on the website

Seemed very "convenient"

That might not mean anything, though

 

[NextBusLeaving]

I agree with the number of steps "taking you out of it"

Some pictures they've shown for the debreather have the plastic bag portion outside of the cloth bag, which looks better, I'm not sure if the risk of destruction of the plastic bag is higher that way, though

Here's the pic:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOWfWYjWoAIQYCm.jpg

I felt like I was having a mindgame played on me when I read that on the website

Seemed very "convenient"

That might not mean anything, though

The bag is your counterlung and must be able to expand and contract to take up extra air entering the system. Id guess it has to be free of the bag in use.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

The bag is your counterlung and must be able to expand and contract to take up extra air entering the system. Id guess it has to be free of the bag in use.

What do you mean exactly?

Whatever it means the other video on the site Nitschke linked on twitter (right2die) shows someone using the debreather while it's still in the cloth bag (and with straps it's like hooked around your neck and waist)