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DarkRange55

DarkRange55

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US political discourse has become extremely dumbed down. If you look at political debates from 30 or 40 years ago versus today, you will see that both parties are now communicating at a much lower IQ level. The substance of what is being said has become weaker and weaker. The dumbed down rhetoric is becoming a greater and greater percentage of the total.

Society is spending all kinds of money on you and I. If you grew up New York City, the state of New York spent on average over $200,000 on elementary, junior high and high school. Look at how the US preforms at tests. Can't even keep up with third world countries. Sometimes when it comes to education, you get what you pay for. How much did you pay elementary, junior and high school? Well, if it's a public school, it was payed for by tax payer dollars, typically property taxes. So depending on your zip code, your quality of eduction will vary.

One thing I hate about political races. Trump, democrats. And other countries, I sometimes watch debate. They never talk about this stuff. Maybe they hit on testing and vaguely educational concepts. Most of the stuff they talk about is war. Which is destruction. Sometimes it's necessary. But is that really what you wanna base a civilization on? Massive conversations about war? They talk about tax cuts. It's not tax cuts you need, it's the appropriate direction of the funds. You can keep the taxes the same or higher or lower. It's efficiency. It's just like giving someone a million dollars from a VC fund. Some people waste the million bucks. And some people build a billion dollar company from it. It's the efficiency. It's know what to do with the money that matters. You really think that's the primarily indicator of country's greatness? I can show prosperous countries with high taxes, like up in Scandinavia. And I can find you basically zero tax countries like Dubai. You know, the UAE has basically no tax. It's not really the tax that matters that much.

Most of us operate, under what I call, pain avoiding delusion right. It's one of the 25 cognitive biases. And there's a little truth to the problems in the world coming from government and taxes. That's one of the things you're going to hear, you know. The government is messing things up. There was a state of the union speech the other day by the president of the United States and he talks about many things. A lot of those goals are noble. I'm not knocking completely the place of government. But I want to put it in perspective by reading you something Benjamin Franklin said many years ago in the 1700s.

Somebody came to him and said the taxes are too high that's why I'm not making any money. And he says, 'The taxes are indeed very heavy, and if those laid on by the government were the only ones we had to pay we might more easily discharge them, but we have many others (talking about taxes). And much more grievous to some of us. We are taxed twice by our idleness, three times by our pride and four times as much by our folly. And from these taxes the commissioners can not ease or deliver us by allowing an abatement.' What his point is, is he was a man who mastered not only getting over pain avoiding delusion but also the miss waiting bias. Most of us miss prioritize those things that are actually holding us back in life. The main thing holding back the world is not government taxes. Look if you change the tax rate. I'm reading here Mankiw, the famous Harvard professor, his book on economics. For sure taxes matter, they cause shifts on demand curves and shifts in supply.

We're taxed by the latent and unused human potential within your brain. That's more powerful than any super computer that's out there right now. Even if your IQ is not Einsteins. Focus on the things you can control. Unless you're a politician. I hope some of you become politicians and change government for better. But for the most of us who are not within the realm of politics. We can not control those things except with a vote. And a vote is good but it's not nearly as good as voting with your feet. Voting by what you do.

The crumbling roads and bridges and such consume only 10% or 20% of government spending. In my opinion it's not about reducing wealth inequality through taxes specifically, it's about using the surplus of money from actually taxing the wealthy to enrich our schools and infrastructure which just gives people a better shot at life in general. Old families have already made it near impossible to compete, in fact they bought and rigged the system to make sure.

Something they used to do in the USSR and they're doing now in places like Romania a destitute former ComBloc country, they give people free train tickets (I'm sure its a short distance) for taking a video of themselves doing 10 perfect squats. The richest country in the world should absolutely be doing that, too. We used to make sure our youth were really healthy and fit to fight a war with the Russians. Now its the second most obese country on Earth after Mexico.


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Dejected 55

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It's hard to solve problems that the people in power see as features.

The dumber the populace, the easier it is to take advantage of them or pit them against each other. Power has little incentive to help educate the masses. Of course, the irony here is that over time it means the people in power are less intelligent too because eventually someone in power has to come from today's crop of less educated populace... and so we march towards Idiocracy. Worse, for all the years I and others poked fun of how Idiocracy was a prophetic film as reality began to coalesce around the future depicted in that fictional movie... it turns out Idiocracy was not pessimistic enough... it actually underestimated how low we could go!

So, political discourse being dumbed down is a product of many things... Politicians wanting to obfuscate and confuse and mislead and redirect the voters... voters not caring enough to be educated and demand better from the politicians, the systems then created by power that help ensure the populace and future politicians actually are dumber... and on it goes. But in the beginning, there were smart politicians who wanted the populace to be dumber, so they started working to create the future we now live in... it happens slowly over time... and the only people who notice are the rare people not taken in by the shiny distractions.

Debates in America tend to focus on one of two things:

1. Obfuscation by argument an redirecting and outright not answering questions. Never committing fully to any details during a debate, being careful not to promise elaborate things to the voters, etc.

2. Elevating known divisive issues to beyond their importance to the average person and encouraging people to pick sides over these things even if for the most part those issues don't really affect most of them day to day.

Consider abortion. For starters, before anyone goes off on me. I am pro-choice even as I hope abortions are rarely necessary. But, most statistics show that abortions have been on the decline in the US from around 2.5% in the 1980s down to almost 1% in most recent data I could find. It's an estimate because states report differently, some don't report every year, and there are probably still even in legalized parts of the US where women are not always being forthright when it comes to abortions they induce themselves via Plan-B, for example, so there is no official medical record and women know even where it is legal sometimes abortion comes with stigma from people who want to harass them.

But... my point here is this... IF you are a woman who either needs (because of other medical issues) or wants (for whatever reason) an abortion, then the right to an abortion is ABSOLUTELY important to you at that time. If you are a partner or family of such a woman, it has importance to you as well... but we're talking 1% or so of the female population... and that's roughly half of the population... so less than 1% of the people in this country are directly affected. For context, the studies I found were counting abortions for women ages 15-44... so those on the young end would not be legal voters, so I don't know how it shakes out for just women of voting age, but it would be lower for the purposes of my conversation.

So... the point I'm making is... from a political debate perspective, abortion isn't something that should dominate the stage. Whether you are for OR against it. The average person isn't directly affected... and most surveys show 60+% of Americans (regardless of political affiliation) support the right to abortion... so it's an issue most people support and it only affects a small percentage of the population... but politicians continually divide the public over it because it is a volatile discussion to have.

Meanwhile, women in the US actually suffer from abuse (domestic or otherwise) at higher rates... women in poverty suffer at higher rates... basically, there are so many more issues in the US that directly affect far more women on a daily basis... that barely (if ever) get mentioned on the debate stage... because the debates aren't about candidates telling you their plans and what they support... it's just a performance designed to make the voters think they have a choice, when no matter who you vote for the vast majority of issues affecting you daily will be untouched and unchanged by either side winning.

You can do this same deconstruction with Immigration or any number of other hot-button issues that come up most often in debates.
 
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Dejected 55

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I think in the way Lenin used it, it was meant to be people in the West who were helping spread Communism by admiring it from afar and helping spread propaganda.

So... in his "useful idiots" case it would be people outside of his country who helped him inside his country by spreading lies that helped him. In this case out politicians are their own useful idiots helping themselves by spreading their own lies.
 
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