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If an elderly, frail person successfully suicides in their own residence, leaving a note, a copy of Final Exit and makes it clear that no one else assisted, would the police bother with a search of the premises and all that kind of snoopy stuff? I am a very private person and cringe at the thought of people going through my personal effects. Yes, yes, I realize I would not be alive to know about it but the mere thought of it (now, while still capable of thought) freaks me out. Also, if one were to CTB in a hotel room, would that prevent the authorities from rooting through my life and residence, absent any criminal activity (since suicide itself is not a crime in the USA)? Any thoughts would be appreciated.


People commit murders all the time that they try to make look like suicide. The police really wouldn't be competent if they didn't do some investigation.

And anybody can type up a suicide note. Make sure you write up your suicide note, since it's pretty hard for somebody to fake handwriting.
 
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The police can be nasty and charge you for wasting their time in certain circumstances
We had the police called to our house when I was younger-twice and I'm surprised they weren't more irate or didn't charge anyone for misusing their time and resources.
Granted, I am basically a common denominator in both instances and ran from the sites of conflict.

One of the incidents was when I, Myself, pretended to dial 911 on my brother for throwing some of my belongings into the backyard and being impolite when retrieving them back for me Lol (dumb)!
I accidentally hit the last 1 when I had the phone in my hand and immediately hung up when I realized what I had done. This was a landline. They called back until my mother answered and they said they had to come anyway, just to be sure nothing was going on. I ran up to the bathroom and pretended to take a shower like the coward I am lmao.
They just thought it was funny and lectured both my brothers on why it's not nice to throw your sister's makeup into the woods!! (I should have thanked them, as attempting to wear makeup never helped me become any less ugly!)

The other incident, I was angry at my mom so I knocked over her purse.
She called the police on me.
Yes. For knocking over her purse, off a table, in our own home.
I then proceeded to throw white chocolate baking chips all over the kitchen floor and then cover them all in maple syrup (ala Aunt Jemima). (I guess the goal was to make a mess to get back at her).
Then I ran. AGAIN LOL. I hid under the back neighbors porch and they literally came looking for me (with what sounded like dogs), I was wearing a bright red sweatshirt, and they even asked the neighbors if they saw a girl in red come by.
I couldn't believe it!!
I mean, you would have thought I was on the run for murder.
Insane.
I was so afraid to come out that I stayed there for hours and hours, the elderly neighbor even came down under the porch to get some supplies and I was directly across from them, laying down under this wooden nook. All he had to do was turn to the left and he would meet my eyes.
I probably would have given the poor guy a heart attack. Either that or he might've attacked me, thinking I was the red wearing crazed lunatic on the loose.

Looking back-although nothing makes me laugh out of joy anymore- both incidents were hilariously stupid. But at the time, it was scary!
I was a kid.
These were over a decade ago, my mother can't believe she called the cops, it was probably out of frustration building up. And used as a scare tactic. Just like mine was when I grabbed the phone in retaliation on my brother's actions.
There were FAR more severe fights that went on in my house, so it's crazy the cops were called for the benign ones.
It's bizarre that you hear about much more serious incidents being ignored and having the police never show up, least not in time. People lose their lives over delayed assistance, or the 911 operator not taking the call seriously.
The contrast between those incidents and my own ridiculous anecdotes cause me to believe that you just can't know for sure what reaction you will get from the authorities. It may be way out of proportion or it may be intensely dismissive.
I just hope the police are feeling lazy and unbothered when my day comes to CTB, just over and done with, call it a suicide and call it a day.
Why would you purposefully leave links to any organization? Leave a copy of Final Exit book? Leave links to this forum or another one? You would just contribute to their desire to shut all of these sources of help down. Somebody suggested it and you just seemed to ignore it. MAKE A VIDEO. That would end the investigation before it starts. You are in the wrong state of mind to be honest. You are worrying about something that just does not matter. And to serve your peace of mind you think of leaving links to organizations that helped inform you to successfully die under your own control.
Making a video is a good idea. I don't want anyone to see my face though, so maybe I will make a voice recording, or a video where I only show parts of myself, but enough to identify who is speaking.
I would like to post here when I cbt for comfort and to give information to others, but I'm afraid I might fall asleep before I can log off. I don't want anyone to know about this place. SS has been so helpful to me! I don't want to cause trouble for the forum, which apparently has happened in the past. I'm just going to leave a short handwritten note, and hopefully that will be the end of it. I'm also going to turn face and fingerprint recognition off, which should make it harder for LE to access my devices. I feel fairly confident that my parents won't cause an uproar. We're private people, and they know how much I'm suffering.
I would like to know how often they go through the trouble of gaining access to locked devices and locked accounts.
I know that even when someone dies of natural causes, or an accident, the family seems to have trouble gaining access to things they don't have the passwords for.
 
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It is definite that what the police will do is unpredictable. There are people in prison right now in the US for murder because the police focused only on them because that's what the police do. Assuming the people you live with will not be charged with murder is definitely the wrong thing to do. I live alone so I don't have this problem right now. Like some of us have said, MAKE A VIDEO, any doubt of suicide will be avoided if the video is made correctly.

MAKE A VIDEO
 
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Why would you purposefully leave links to any organization? Leave a copy of Final Exit book? Leave links to this forum or another one? You would just contribute to their desire to shut all of these sources of help down. Somebody suggested it and you just seemed to ignore it. MAKE A VIDEO. That would end the investigation before it starts. You are in the wrong state of mind to be honest. You are worrying about something that just does not matter. And to serve your peace of mind you think of leaving links to organizations that helped inform you to successfully die under your own control.
Yeah I by no means support leaving a trail back to anywhere like this.
I want to clear up the online stuff found that my husband posted on was found by me and a friend that were posted on reddit and he tried to delete the account but Google and the police only just subpoenaed them to make sure they came from him.
 
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Sweet emotion

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Thank you very much for this! I live with my parents, and this will be hard enough on them as it is. I just want to try to "simplify" things for them as much as possible. I'm in my 40's and have several chronic health problems an no assets to speak of. My parents are in their 70's, so I just can't imagine anyone thinking there was foul play going on. But you never know, I guess


No bath, so no problem. So you really thing I should just leave the label on? I just didn't want to cause a fuss for the manufacturer. There already seems to be a crackdown in other countries on individuals buying SN.
Why did you mention in your original post if an old frail person were to commit suicide? If you live with your parents and you're old, your parents couldn't possibly be alive. You're not making much sense at all. Are you really planning on taking your life or are you a plant?
 
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LastFlowers

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Yeah I by no means support leaving a trail back to anywhere like this.
I want to clear up the online stuff found that my husband posted on was found by me and a friend that were posted on reddit and he tried to delete the account but Google and the police only just subpoenaed them to make sure they came from him.
How did they know it was him? Were the accounts attached to email addresses or was there identifying information? I have accounts on several sites meant to be anonymous and I definitely don't want family or the police finding them. Not like I've said anything dangerous, more like embarrassing and/or so blunt as to not want anyone to read.
 
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Jamoca

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How did they know it was him? Were the accounts attached to email addresses or was there identifying information? I have accounts on several sites meant to be anonymous and I definitely don't want family or the police finding them. Not like I've said anything dangerous, more like embarrassing and/or so blunt as to not want anyone to read.
I don't think you'll get around embarrassing imagine the photos and convos they could have seen of me and him ect.
They could link it back to his ip at work. I found the name through his email.
 
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I don't think you'll get around embarrassing imagine the photos and convos they could have seen of me and him ect.
They could link it back to his ip at work. I found the name through his email.
Thanks for responding.
Well I planned on deleting everything from my phone and devices as well as factory resetting, but accounts or information that aren't held directly on my phone or the cloud are what I was asking about. There are likely even accounts on sites I have long forgotten about. Which I don't want dug up.

So-to clarify- you gave them the information or they found it on their own?
 
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Why did you mention in your original post if an old frail person were to commit suicide? If you live with your parents and you're old, your parents couldn't possibly be alive. You're not making much sense at all. Are you really planning on taking your life or are you a plant?

Seriously? You're the second person in this thread to accuse me of being a plant. Silly me for thinking I had found a safe place to ask questions. Guess this place isn't as welcoming as I originally thought. Take a second look at who posted they were frail and elderly and you'll see it wasn't me.
 
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Jamoca

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Thanks for responding.
Well I planned on deleting everything from my phone and devices as well as factory resetting, but accounts or information that aren't held directly on my phone or the cloud are what I was asking about. There are likely even accounts on sites I have long forgotten about. Which I don't want dug up.

So-to clarify- you gave them the information or they found it on their own?
I gave them information.
i only know they made copies of his phone and the computer he had with him, I don't know how far in they look but they don't share the specifics of what they look at, and also never expect anything you delete to be gone there are ways of recovering info unless you know what you're doing.
 
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I gave them information.
i only know they made copies of his phone and the computer he had with him, I don't know how far in they look but they don't share the specifics of what they look at, and also never expect anything you delete to be gone there are ways of recovering info unless you know what you're doing.
Thx!
So they didn't even go over what they found with family members?

Yea, I'm aware. It's unfortunate.
I know you basically have to overwrite data a number of times before it is truly undetectable. Either that or intense encryption.
I am researching how to go about it. Definitely a struggle if you're not super tech savvy. I'm no computer/IT whiz so it's rather irritating.
So much to do just to die. As if life wasn't difficult enough.

I'm mostly hoping the police don't bother with investigating too deep.
 
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Thx!
So they didn't even go over what they found with family members?

Yea, I'm aware. It's unfortunate.
I know you basically have to overwrite data a number of times before it is truly undetectable. Either that or intense encryption.
I am researching how to go about it. Definitely a struggle if you're not super tech savvy. I'm no computer/IT whiz so it's rather irritating.
So much to do just to die. As if life wasn't difficult enough.

I'm mostly hoping the police don't bother with investigating too deep.
Why do people need to wipe their computer and cellphone before ctb?
 
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Why do people need to wipe their computer and cellphone before ctb?
You don't HAVE to, but if you're private and you don't want anyone, including police or family getting ahold of things you considered "for your eyes only", then it would be a good idea. A lot can be misconstrued when you aren't around anymore to explain it away.
It's kind of like burning your diary so no one can ever read it.
 
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One of my friends in the U.S exited in a hotel. She left a hand-written note stating what she had used and that it had been obtained online. She also left a type-written note explaining the causes for her action. The police notified her mother, but did not search her home at all. They didn't even look in the trunk of her car, which is where she left her laptop. They do keep the notes you write, so if you want your loved ones to have a note, you could write one for them and mark it "For your eyes only" (as LastFlowers said, or write them a delayed email) then leave another hand-written and dated note for the authorities. Of course every country and every state probably have different methods.
 
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Stan

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Agree with all of the above advise. Especially the part that if you want them to have something personal from you such as a handwritten note, put it in the old fashioned snail mail system as it seems the police may keep the originals and give you copies.
 
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Jun 9, 2019
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When my partner took her own life. i was taken into police custody (not handcuffed or anything like that) but i was put in a interrogation room and was asked a series of questions. it when on for about an 2 and a half hours or so. then i was released. they did a follow up interview about 2 weeks later on to clean up a few things that they said where outstanding.

i never felt that i was going to be charged or anything. i just got the feeling they had to go though all the options first. but it was very distressing and upsetting. the Police Constable (female) did help me calm down.
 
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I think it depends on where you are and who they are. Each one is different. Here in our small town, they're courteous and helpful. One officer got our money back twice after it had been stolen in an online program, and a CHP just gave us a warning when we didn't realize we'd been speeding; but I did have a narrow escape with a Chicago cop years ago. Maybe the big-city guys are more rough and callous due to having to deal with a lot of violent, vicious types and having to constantly witness ghastly crime scenes. I certainly wouldn't want their jobs!
 
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Ahhh, but suicide is actually very easy in N.K.
Just speak out against the "Dear Leader", maybe call him some nasty names. Do it out in public.
You will be arrested immediately, and dead in a few days, no questions asked.
It's sort of like Suicide by Cop, but even more reliable. :wink:
Or an agonizing death after crippling existence in a concentration camp

Those poor people
This is good to know!
Sorry about the false info!

When I was recovering from an attempt in the hospital the cops had talked to my mom about how they wouldnt charge me..."this time."
I think they were pushing the idea of me being charged for the crime because it took A LOT of resources to find me. I didn't leave anything to tell them where I was or that I was attempting to CTB so them finding me passed out miles into the woods was a surprise.
What method did you use? To me that's fucked because you can't really kill yourself in a building without fucking up your parents ability to sell the house or something like that, and if you do it in a hotel someone has to clean it

Like where else are we supposed to go?

An alley is not a very workable place to commit suicide

Maybe a parking lot if you have a gun
It is definite that what the police will do is unpredictable. There are people in prison right now in the US for murder because the police focused only on them because that's what the police do. Assuming the people you live with will not be charged with murder is definitely the wrong thing to do. I live alone so I don't have this problem right now. Like some of us have said, MAKE A VIDEO, any doubt of suicide will be avoided if the video is made correctly.

MAKE A VIDEO
Do you just like upload it onto a blank CD? I can't think of another practical way of doing it

Idk if you can email a police department, or if you'd want to
 
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