Method Phenobarbital + Heroin Method + Hiding Body

[klantedklaw]

Hi all,

I plan to CTB sometime in Late Summer/ Autumn (I live in the southern hemisphere) and would like to share my plan and hopefully get some feedback on ways it can be improved.

Location: I plan to CTB deep in a forest (national park), getting to the location will take approximately 10 hours, there is no cell service, and it is mountainous, with dense flora so there is no chance of anyone coming to help. The location is approximately 5km away from the nearest track, so its almost impossible for anyone to stumble across me. Its also an area where no hunting is permitted, so I don't see any reason people would be wandering this far away from the established hiking tracks. I'm also very athletic and experienced in the outdoors - so this is very achievable for me (I've already been there a few times).

Method: I've done some shopping online and have found 60g of pharma Phenobarbital for $50 USD and heroin for $120 USD/ gram (which is supposedly high purity). I plan to inject the heroin (1g) to calm myself (I get very nervous and scared) but I'm not sure how I should administer Phenobarbital (oral or IV) or what dose to use yet. I would ideally like to have a slow but peaceful death - I don't want it to be fast (I kind of want to be able to "process it"), so I'm leaning more into oral Phenobarbital.

Hiding my body: I've scouted out the location and have found a tree well from a huge tree thats died. If I had to guess the tree well is probably about 3 metres deep. I went inside of it before and its quite comfortable, I can sit down as well :). I plan to CTB in the well and will wear dark clothes/ bring a dark blanket with me, which will hopefully prevent my body from being discovered for at least 6-12 months (but probably forever). The reason I want to hide my body is because I dont want to be found partially decomposed, I think dead bodies are gross and I want to spare my family from seeing my rotten body. I think a skeleton is a lot easier to process and is less traumatic for others. This is also why I plan to CTB in late summer/ early autumn where fungal activity and humidity is highest - and its still a little bit warm to hopefully speed up my organic decay.

My main questions are:

• Is Phenobarbital a reliable and peaceful way to go?;
• Is 1g of heroin enough to feel euphoric & Should I try/ test the heroin before I CTB to dial the dosage (I haven't used drugs before so have zero tolerance and insight), I've asked a user on here about their experience - they consumed a different opiate and said that they experienced a rollercoaster of emotions until eventually feeling euphoric;
• Is hiding my body a good thing? I've thought about sending an automated message to my family 12 months after my death to give them the coordinates and directions to my body (to give them closure) along with my note. I don't think its fair to leave them in dark about whats happened (I plan to tell them I'm going travelling overseas for the next 12 months and will be without reception). I'm worried they will try and look for me and have false hope of me returning, but on the otherhand I wouldn't want to scar my family since my parent's are quite old and I'm somewhat young (20m) and discovering I have CTB will give them significant emotional trauma.
• Should I bring my ID with me? In the event someone finds me, should I make it easy for them to identify me?

I'm also wondering whether you think this type of method is something another person would potentially be interested in, I would ideally like to do this with someone else, but if the general concensus here is that it's too weird I won't get my hopes up.

Thanks for reading (◕‿◕✿)

 

[wine is fine but]

• Is hiding my body a good thing?

no it is not
not knowing anything about your welfare for even a week would be much worse than finding out what happened on the day
if you are not found for months, or even years, it would create a new type of hell for your family
they would need closure, not living each day not knowing what happened to their loved one

 

[klantedklaw]

no it is not
not knowing anything about your welfare for even a week would be much worse than finding out what happened on the day
if you are not found for months, or even years, it would create a new type of hell for your family
they would need closure, not living each day not knowing what happened to their loved one

thanks for that, do you think that just telling them would be ok as closure? or do they need my body for closure as well?

 

[developic]

thanks for that, do you think that just telling them would be ok as closure? or do they need my body for closure as well?

Like use schedule email with location see this your local authority email after the set time and date

 

[klantedklaw]

alright,

Like use schedule email with location see this your local authority email after the set time and date

alright, i might schedule the email with the location 12 month out, i really don't want them to see my body though

 

[TBONTB]

Not knowing where you are for a year will be more traumatic than finding out about your death or than seeing your body.

 

[developic]

alright,

alright, i might schedule the email with the location 12 month out, i really don't want them to see my body though

3 - 4 days maybe

Hi all,

I plan to CTB sometime in Late Summer/ Autumn (I live in the southern hemisphere) and would like to share my plan and hopefully get some feedback on ways it can be improved.

Location: I plan to CTB deep in a forest (national park), getting to the location will take approximately 10 hours, there is no cell service, and it is mountainous, with dense flora so there is no chance of anyone coming to help. The location is approximately 5km away from the nearest track, so its almost impossible for anyone to stumble across me. Its also an area where no hunting is permitted, so I don't see any reason people would be wandering this far away from the established hiking tracks. I'm also very athletic and experienced in the outdoors - so this is very achievable for me (I've already been there a few times).

Method: I've done some shopping online and have found 60g of pharma Phenobarbital for $50 USD and heroin for $120 USD/ gram (which is supposedly high purity). I plan to inject the heroin (1g) to calm myself (I get very nervous and scared) but I'm not sure how I should administer Phenobarbital (oral or IV) or what dose to use yet. I would ideally like to have a slow but peaceful death - I don't want it to be fast (I kind of want to be able to "process it"), so I'm leaning more into oral Phenobarbital.

Hiding my body: I've scouted out the location and have found a tree well from a huge tree thats died. If I had to guess the tree well is probably about 3 metres deep. I went inside of it before and its quite comfortable, I can sit down as well :). I plan to CTB in the well and will wear dark clothes/ bring a dark blanket with me, which will hopefully prevent my body from being discovered for at least 6-12 months (but probably forever). The reason I want to hide my body is because I dont want to be found partially decomposed, I think dead bodies are gross and I want to spare my family from seeing my rotten body. I think a skeleton is a lot easier to process and is less traumatic for others. This is also why I plan to CTB in late summer/ early autumn where fungal activity and humidity is highest - and its still a little bit warm to hopefully speed up my organic decay.

My main questions are:

• Is Phenobarbital a reliable and peaceful way to go?;
• Is 1g of heroin enough to feel euphoric & Should I try/ test the heroin before I CTB to dial the dosage (I haven't used drugs before so have zero tolerance and insight), I've asked a user on here about their experience - they consumed a different opiate and said that they experienced a rollercoaster of emotions until eventually feeling euphoric;
• Is hiding my body a good thing? I've thought about sending an automated message to my family 12 months after my death to give them the coordinates and directions to my body (to give them closure) along with my note. I don't think its fair to leave them in dark about whats happened (I plan to tell them I'm going travelling overseas for the next 12 months and will be without reception). I'm worried they will try and look for me and have false hope of me returning, but on the otherhand I wouldn't want to scar my family since my parent's are quite old and I'm somewhat young (20m) and discovering I have CTB will give them significant emotional trauma.
• Should I bring my ID with me? In the event someone finds me, should I make it easy for them to identify me?

I'm also wondering whether you think this type of method is something another person would potentially be interested in, I would ideally like to do this with someone else, but if the general concensus here is that it's too weird I won't get my hopes up.

Thanks for reading (◕‿◕✿)

Why you want to suicide past trauma.....

 

[Pale_Rider]

Depending on the purity a bundle of dope, or a gram is very likely lethal for somebody who hasn't used before. There was a time when if somebody said the could do a bundle they were lying. Today hardened users could use 1.5 to overcome a meth addiction, and feel the heroin. But note due to its source, and how heroin quality overtime seems to get worse lethality is no guarantee. Note I have been clean for 10 year. I couldn't testify to the quality of modern dope.

 

[r.m.216]

Depending on the purity a bundle of dope, or a gram is very likely lethal for somebody who hasn't used before. There was a time we when if somebody said the could do a bundle they were lying. Today hardened users could use 1.5 to overcome a meth addiction, and feel the heroin. But note due to its source, and how heroin quality overtime seems to get worse lethality is no guarantee. Note I have been clean for 10 year. I couldn't testify to the quality of modern dope.

Not just very likely, that's a lot of dope
I think I saw 250mg heroin on chatgpt is 98%

 

[Pale_Rider]

When I was using a gram was a days supply. Taken at intervals thorough-out the day. I restricted myself to .01 at a time to prevent ODs. As noted the quality can vary wildly due to each person, or group "stepping" on it as it works its way down the supply chain. At the end of my addictions OD deaths were at epidemic levels according to the state.

but others could use .05 to start the day. I have lost many friends to those practices.

 

[wine is fine but]

thanks for that, do you think that just telling them would be ok as closure? or do they need my body for closure as well?

they would still be in limbo until they have proof

if you take your own life, their grief would be immeasurable, but not knowing for sure, would somehow be even worse.

my belief is that they would need a body for closure. if a body is decomposed, they would probably use dental records, dna or even just show a picture of a distinctive tattoo or something else. a body that has been outside for 3 days is probably not really able to be fully identified visually anyway, so your loved ones would probably be spared a gruesome sight when trying to have your body identified

 

[Dusk till dawn]

10 grams of phenobarbital is reliable and lethal, tmax is
2-3 hours for oral route phenobarbital, 60 grams is practically impossible to survive regardless of your tolerance if you don't vomit it out and don't get medical help through airway breathing support, the same goes for 1 gram of heroin that's overkill, i don't know the ld50 of heroin but i think 1 gram is definitely in the lethal threshold if i had to guess, it synergies well with phenobarb, since they're both CNS depressants, survival without medical intervention is practically impossible in this scenario, even if you get naloxene'd you'd still be comatose for 2-3 days since phenobarbital has a lifespan of 2-4 days and there's no antidote for barbiturates and true GABA-A agonists in general, the tmax for heroin depends on administration route, i would recommend snorting since it's easiest, doesn't require knowing how to use needles, bypasses liver metabolism and can't be vomitted, tmax when snorting is 2-15 minutes according to this research

Spoiler: Research content regarding heroin's intranasal absorption pharmacokinetics

Considerable peak plasma concentrations of heroin and a
fast absorption rate were established after intranasal
application (snorting) or inhalation in the lungs (Table 1b).
The tmax varied between 2-15 min after inhalation or
intranasal administration. Because of its lipophilicity and
low ionisation grade at physiological pH, heroin is rapidly
absorbed through the mucous membranes. The intranasal
mucosa and the lung are well-perfused organs, which
contributes to a high absorption rate for lipophilic compounds.
Moreover, the alveolar-capillary bed of the lung forms a very
large area for absorption (approximately 100m2 in healthy
male adults) and the first pass effect by the liver is avoided
in these routes of administration. Maximal heroin concen-
trations were established within 2-5 min after intranasal
heroin use or inhalation. Plasma concentration-time profiles
demonstrated a second morphine peak in some heroin
snorters, indicating that a part of the heroin dose was
swallowed and later absorbed from the gastro-intestinal tract
[47,49]. Half-lives of heroin after intranasal administration
or inhalation were comparable to intravenous data.

My advice is to take 30mg of metoclopramide 1 hour prior to ingesting 60 grams of phenobarbital, 60 grams is definitely going to cause emesis if i had to guess


To answer your questions directly


1) Is Phenobarbital a reliable and peaceful way to go?


Yes, it's a barbiturate and true GABA-A agonist with decent lifespan, meaning it's euthansia-grade, the lethal dose for phenobarbital is between the range of 8-15 grams, 10 grams is usually lethal, death should occur 1-4 hours posr ingestion but this depends on the content of your stomach, phenobarbital was also sometimes used in euthanasia protocols in netherlands

2) Is 1g of heroin enough to feel euphoric & Should I try/ test the heroin before I CTB to dial the dosage


This is overkill, if you have no tolerance then this is definitely in the lethal threshold, you can check heroin's article on psychonaut for dosage information

And no, don't self experiment with heroin, dosage information already exists, this is a bad idea


3) Is hiding my body a good thing?


That's up to you, if you intend to schelude a email like this then just so you know email services like gmail are likely to detect it and report you, if you're declared as missing, the government or the agency tasked with trying to find you or doing a investigation can and will definitely ask large corporations for your data if they have your email and phone number, including the scheluded email, this extends to even your browsing history if you use online browsing history syncing, even your phone carrier's if you have a SIM card, throughout cellular towers data they can get an approximate location of where you went even without GPS data, they also check your credit card, recent purchases, and much more, this is a rabbit hole in itself


4) Should I bring my ID with me?

That's up to you, but just so you know, in the event someone finds you and reports your corpse, your corpse will undergo autopsy and your DNA alone is enough to figure out who you are, even if your body decomposes and all that remains is skeletal bones, your teeth and bones and marrow contain your DNA, your ID card is irrelevant if your corpse is found if your intention is for your corpse to never be identified, it's not even considered as definitive proof and evidence for the corpse's identity