Pegasos (assisted death) - Has anyone figured out what scenarios they will accept or not?

[Dark Window]

I've emailed them from different accounts and they seem very reluctant to take people who aren't older, and the second you mention mental health issues they become resistant.

I'm back and forth with them right now, and if I find a set of scenarios that work then I'll get back in touch with you guys.

For all who don't know. Pegasos are a company that offer assisted death to people who are not terminally ill for a price.

 

[goodoldnoname923]

I've emailed them from different accounts and they seem very reluctant to take people who aren't older, and the second you mention mental health issues they become resistant.

I'm back and forth with them right now, and if I find a set of scenarios that work then I'll get back in touch with you guys.

For all who don't know. Pegasos are a company that offer assisted death to people who are not terminally ill for a price.

Ohhh now this idea sounds interesting sign me up to that company rn

 

[Dark Window]

Ohhh now this idea sounds interesting sign me up to that company rn

I'll update this thread

So far theyre quite dismissive. If you're young and have typical MH issues, expect to be rejected immediately.

 

[goodoldnoname923]

I'll update this thread

So far theyre quite dismissive. If you're young and have typical MH issues, expect to be rejected immediately.

Nothing wrong with a few porky pies though is there,how do they usually kill you if you dont mind me asking

 

[Dark Window]

Nothing wrong with a few porky pies though is there,how do they usually kill you if you dont mind me asking

Lethal drugs that are painless. Dead in minutes.

I am currently jabbing at the company from different emails trying to figure out what they'll accept.

 

[goodoldnoname923]

Lethal drugs that are painless. Dead in minutes.

I am currently jabbing at the company from different emails trying to figure out what they'll accept.

Do feel free to let us know what works,would love to find a painless way out myself

 

[Dark Window]

Do feel free to let us know what works,would love to find a painless way out myself

Also realise thought that it's not free, you're looking at 10-11k.

 

[goodoldnoname923]

Also realise thought that it's not free, you're looking at 10-11k.

Holy fuck,man thats some expensive shit right there i mean i could probably afford *just* but how does the procedure even work?

 

[Dark Window]

Holy fuck,man thats some expensive shit right there i mean i could probably afford *just* but how does the procedure even work?

It's a charity. You join them and can apply for assisted death. You submit an app which can potentially be accepted, and if it does you fly out to switzerland and you go to a private facility and get given the lethal drugs to take.

 

[Rubypie41]

It's a charity. You join them and can apply for assisted death. You submit an app which can potentially be accepted, and if it does you fly out to switzerland and you go to a private facility and get given the lethal drugs to take.

Out of interest, how quickly are they responding to your emails?

 

[Dark Window]

Out of interest, how quickly are they responding to your emails?

Yesterday they responded in a few hours.

They rejected me last night.

I sent them an email this morning, and still haven't had another response today.

I'll wait maybe 24 more hours for a response to that, then get to work making another account under a new name with another scenario.

 

[Rubypie41]

Yesterday they responded in a few hours.

They rejected me last night.

I sent them an email this morning, and still haven't had another response today.

I'll wait maybe 24 more hours for a response to that, then get to work making another account under a new name with another scenario.

What things have you emailed them about so far (what conditions)?

 

[sancta-simplicitas]

It would be interesting to know how they'd respond to someone saying they've had a doctor/psychologist stating that your MH is unlikely to ever get better. That's what they tend to say to people with complex trauma in my country.

 

[Dark Window]

What things have you emailed them about so far (what conditions)?

I've mentioned chronic pain, undiagnosed issues doctors struggling to figure out, and a list of other symptoms, not mentioning to them a specific illness.

I also mentioned severe treatment resistant depression, anxiety, OCD.

I stated I was 35 in my email and they said I was still "Young" and that since I had these mental health issues they cannot accept me and gave me a suicide hotline link.

So basically they ask you your age. I'd recommend not making depression or anxiety your main argument.

 

[Rubypie41]

I've mentioned chronic pain, undiagnosed issues doctors struggling to figure out, and a list of other symptoms, not mentioning to them a specific illness.

I also mentioned severe treatment resistant depression, anxiety, OCD.

I stated I was 35 in my email and they said I was still "Young" and that since I had these mental health issues they cannot accept me and gave me a suicide hotline link.

So basically they ask you your age. I'd recommend not making depression or anxiety your main argument.

What conditions do you actually have?

They require medical records, so unless you've been actually diagnosed with something they will accept, then I guess there is no point in even applying.

Basically it needs to be a condition that impacts the quality of your life and can be backed up with medical records.

 

[Dark Window]

What conditions do you actually have?

They require medical records, so unless you've been actually diagnosed with something they will accept, then I guess there is no point in even applying.

Basically it needs to be a condition that impacts the quality of your life and can be backed up with medical records.

I wont go into detail here.

Where does it say you need medical records?

 

[Rubypie41]

I wont go into detail here.

Where does it say you need medical records?

 

[Dark Window]

Fair enough. I think I could get those. I think it will be a case of submitting a subject access request.

 

[Rubypie41]

Says health records, but they mean medical records.

I've applied already and when logged into the online application, there is a section to upload your medical records.

You can't just make up a condition unfortunately. They need proof via medical records which is then reviewed by a Swiss doctor.

If you could just make up an illness, otherwise you could just say you had MND, Parkinson's, early onset of dementia, cancer etc.

They can't just accept your word, they are required by Swiss law to have received proof of your condition/conditions and how they impact the quality of your life.

If they didn't require proof then anyone/everyone could apply and just lie about what they have. Doesn't work that way unfortunately.

 

[Dayrain]

They require medical records

Exactly, most importantly they will require a passport. It is still valuable what you are doing. @Dark Window

 

[Rubypie41]

Fair enough. I think I could get those. I think it will be a case of submitting a subject access request.

Correct, you need to submit a subject access request (SAR) from your GP.

The records need to show details of the specific condition/conditions for which your VAD application is being assessed on.

You need a recent record (within 3 months) and one or two older ones.

Must show the diagnosis, treatments tried, how it impacts the quality of your life and prognosis.

 

[Dark Window]

Correct, you need to submit a subject access request (SAR) from your GP.

The records need to show details of the specific condition/conditions for which your VAD application is being assessed on.

You need a recent record (within 3 months) and one or two older ones.

Must show the diagnosis, treatments tried, how it impacts the quality of your life and prognosis.

I saw a news report recently about a man who couldn't get a diagnosis but his symptoms were real and they accepted him.

 

[Rubypie41]

I saw a news report recently about a man who couldn't get a diagnosis but his symptoms were real and they accepted him.

Although no confirmed diagnosis he will have had extensive medical records showing all the doctors and hospital visits, specialists seen, what symptoms he was having, how this was affecting him etc.

 

[Dark Window]

Although no confirmed diagnosis he will have had extensive medical records showing all the doctors and hospital visits, specialists seen, what symptoms he was having, how this was affecting him etc.

Right, but you said diagnosis, I was just pointing out that you don't always need a diagnosis. But medical evidence yes.

 

[Rubypie41]

Right, but you said diagnosis, I was just pointing out that you don't always need a diagnosis. But medical evidence yes.

Confirmed diagnosis will be much more likely to be accepted though, especially if you're young.

 

[Dark Window]

Still no response to the email I sent them about 26 hours ago.

Looks like I'll need a new email, name and scenario and focus purely on the physical this time.

 

[Meteora]

I've emailed them from different accounts and they seem very reluctant to take people who aren't older, and the second you mention mental health issues they become resistant.

This. If you want their help, it seems you have to be at least 70 and have no mental health issues. These organisations get sued by the state if they help "young" and physically healthy people to die. They are not free to do what they want. Well, theoretically, they are free but they risk being faced with lawsuits.

 

[PinballWizard39]

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I saw a news report recently about a man who couldn't get a diagnosis but his symptoms were real and they accepted him.

I read about this case. One of the arguments against the clinic was that no one in his life was aware of what he planned to do. Because of that, they've now stated that they would ensure that all future 'patients' had informed their loved ones and that they would follow up on it to confirm. That might be a hurdle for a lot of people.

 

[Meteora]

This doctor, Erika Preisig, is a hero, imo. She s the sister of the founder of pegasos. The report is a bit dry but very interesting and informative, have a look.
She regularly faces lawsuits. She gets insulted by some folks as being a killer...

Scroll to minute 35 to hear her opinion on mental diseases.

 

[needthebus]

I am thinking of contacting them. I'd really rather die in a legal manner so that it can't be botched. I was the victim of a crime when I was much younger and it left me incapable of enjoying life normally.

There is also an economic component to my situation. I feel very disabled, am too sad to work, and will eventually run out of money if I don't work. If I go on disability as a result of depression, I would likely be forced to take medications I absolutely don't want to take, and the amount that they provide in my country only enough for extreme poverty.