Patrick, the new eu supplier of n turns out to be a scam

[WayOut]

Interestingly, this person waited for someone else to filter the 'good news' from Exit.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/megathread-getting-n-from-a.2544/page-17#post-102412

3 days later his thread appeared. Definitely an idea from now on that any posting with info on a vendor not recommended by the PPeH and offering contact details, however innocuously, is reported and subsequently deleted.

I missed that. Well spotted!

 

[Chinaski]

Now, WayOut, if you turn out to be a scammer with an exquisite sense of long-range foresight, lulling us all into complacency, I will be deeply, deeply annoyed. ;-)

Worse still, WayOut could be a pro lifer who has just conned us all out of accessible, easily drinkable N.

 

[WayOut]

Worse still, WayOut could be a pro lifer who has just conned us all out of accessible, easily drinkable N.

This is getting worse! PLZ STOP! Haha. You're turning me into my worst nightmare, and there's nothing I can say.
:)

 

[Sayo]

This forum is growing in size, relevance and credibility. A forum is not the software, and only partly the organisers. I'm saying the obvious - it's the content produced by the members.

Haha. Agreed. I will also be deeply annoyed at myself, and geez, I hate that. When I start offering something for sale, or start giving references out, plz, let me know.

Btw, the sanctionedsuicide guy also made comments about how he could be a scammer, and made it into a joke. So, I'm kind of stuck here. Plz don't go there. There's no answer I can give that I wouldn't consider highly suspect.

Hm? I'm having trouble parsing this. I think we agree, and I was apologising for atrocious advice given previously. It's also worth mentioning we're essentially guaranteed collateral of any scam hitting Exit. I'm going to overexplain myself anyway because of personal neurosis, ignore if it's understood already:

My commentary about affiliation was because a common tactic of scammers in general is to insinuate affiliation (often never outright claiming it if it's false - eg one could claim using the username of the site is just a throwaway username practice) for emotional appeal - of course this was not this person's primary tactic but it is one that is easy to police and even disallow on a software level. I also suggested a more serious rule against advertising non-verified sources, which I think has a lot of merit but is equally debatable (D, reliance on Exit, etc.)

The search engine comment was a remark that the site's user base has changed a lot - it used to be largely people from a specific subreddit (not that that guaranteed anything as I said) - there are multiple N scammers other than this one, who from all accounts is well integrated in this subset of the online suicide community anyway. We also talk about niche things that make us niche marks. Registering for SS is trivial. Apologies if I'm not being clear, I just want it to be understood that I was referring to a psychological misconception of this site, which is intensified by our emotional engagement. Not the software, the forum software having an SEO advantage compared to other random websites, or mods.

 

[+ + + +]

I thought it was pretty funny first time I saw it, but I didn't realize until half an hour later that it's Patrick in the picture:D.

 

[Deutschv2]

Would be nice if all non ppeh vendors threads would be locked, regardless of how trustworthy they seem.

 

[TiredHorse]

This is getting worse! PLZ STOP! Haha. You're turning me into my worst nightmare, and there's nothing I can say.
:)

Sadly, you're right: there's no way to prove a negative. But I think we can give you the benefit of the doubt... ;-)

If nothing else, to do otherwise would sow mistrust and paranoia, and that is not what anyone here needs. Even with the risk of scammers, this community is too important to let it implode from suspicion. We are all trusting each other with our darkest facet out of the deepest need we know: compassion.

 

[DarkTear]

It gives me the creeps when I take a look back at the friendly messages he send to me after I requested the contact details of "Patrick".
But interestingly he didn't push me to contact "Patrick". I told him that I'm waiting for him to appear in the next PPH aswell as for positive reviews on this forum and he was fine with it... very strange.

Thanks for the warning @Rex

 

[Tara2018]

I mentioned him that I want to test his product and since then he disappeared.
It was more than a week ago , and since then I know he's a scam.

 

[crova]

I asked him to send me a picture showing the label on the bottle; he never did.

 

[Suicat]

It gives me the creeps when I take a look back at the friendly messages he send to me after I requested the contact details of "Patrick".
But interestingly he didn't push me to contact "Patrick". I told him that I'm waiting for him to appear in the next PPH aswell as for positive reviews on this forum and he was fine with it... very strange.

Thanks for the warning @Rex

I think the person sending people the contact details did it "smartly", publicly say who the info has been sent to and then say, "I'll stop sending it until he's confirmed" (paraphrased). This would have inevitably caused people to pm those that apparently already had the info, potentially causing a "Mexican wave" effect of people pming each other and the information been spread that way with the OP looking somewhat more innocent and not pushing people to take the details themselves. (Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I haven't long woken up)

 

[WayOut]

I think the person sending people the contact details did it "smartly", publicly say who the info has been sent to and then say, "I'll stop sending it until he's confirmed" (paraphrased). This would have inevitably caused people to pm those that apparently already had the info, potentially causing a "Mexican wave" effect of people pming each other and the information been spread that way with the OP looking somewhat more innocent and not pushing people to take the details themselves. (Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I haven't long woken up)

That makes perfect sense. In fact, it's the best description so far of how this scammer, and many others, are so successful in with casting their nets wide if they are clever. I tried to explain, but you nailed it. It's that simple, and extremely effective. Add to that the fact that most of the people who would have ordered from him would be unlikely to post about it on any forum. Second hand information about a contact sent by someone a person already knows comes with a built in endorsement.

One positive mention and an encouraging review on the Exit forum and here, and it doesn't matter how many retractions are posted, the reality is the scammer has achieved his goal, and will have had orders flooding in. At that price, he can live comfortably in his cyber and real world bolthole wherever, and plan his next persona and "job".

Suicat, if this is how you think when you have just woken up, after a coffee or two you would be very formidable indeed!

 

[sadsoul]

This meme didn't age well

 

[Arak]

@Rex , thank you. That leaves me with only one source.

 

[WayOut]

There has been an update on the exit forums, saying he won't make it to the PPH.

So, you're on the Exit forum. I didn't realise. Is your contact there genuine, as in an admin or mod, or just a regular member? Only an admin or mod can give reliable information, by the way. It's that type of forum.

 

[Mojo]

The two threads about Patrick have been interesting.

I'm on the Exit forum. I'm active, contribute some reasonable comments, but have a somewhat delicate relation with the mod and admins there.

For any other Exit forum members here, the phrase "barely tolerated" points to me. I'm not here incognito, though I've lurked here a little while.

I'm more inclined to read rather that be active here, but as a courtesy, I thought I'd make myself known to anyone who already knows me from elsewhere.

 

[Arak]

@Mojo ,

While we have obviously no way to verify if you're active on the Exit forums I do have two questions if I may: About the methods sodium nitrite, sodium azide: is there feedback on that forum as to how effective it is (failure versus success) and the extent of the suffering these methods cause (taking into account whether someone knocks himself or herself out before taking SN) ?

And : any reports of failures or problems with N ? Personally, I have a high sedative tolerance (although I do not consume alcohol or barbiturates).

 

[scales]

The one that raised red flags for me was his trumpeting how he was so experienced at spotting scammers. I still would likely have blundered into the trap, though. Desperation is blinding, and that was --literally-- the first thread I read after becoming a member here.

I thought it was interesting how he talked about having experience with scammers yet was literally promoting a scammer. I mentioned it to him and he said he always just went with whatever exit went with.

 

[TiredHorse]

I thought it was interesting how he talked about having experience with scammers yet was literally promoting a scammer. I mentioned it to him and he said he always just went with whatever exit went with.

I suppose it was prestidigitation: "trust me, I know a scammer when I see one (and since I'm telling you that I'm wary of them, just as you are, I must not be one, just as you aren't)."

 

[WayOut]

Sanctionedsuicide, the member here, appears to have disappeared back to wherever he crawled out of. Unfortunately, he's still in business.

 

[Schopenhauer]

That guy was real scum. He registered to promote this scam, and now vanished. Taking advantage of desperate people is so low. We're not falling for some get-rich-quick scam because we're greedy - we're just trying to die with dignity, something society denies at every step.

 

[WayOut]

We're not falling for some get-rich-quick scam

The relatively few people who are visible here by posting hopefully haven't fallen for the scam. But the world is a huge marketplace. How difficult would it be, and hard for him, to have got, say, 100 orders paid up by desperate people? That's a small number for a good scammer, and he's been doing this a long time on different forums.

At any one time, there's 200 - 300 people reading this forum. The online list turns over significantly every hour or so, so that's thousands of people every day who would have seen his posts in the first thread. And because they're here, it's a targeted market. "Patrick" couldn't even keep up with the emails he was getting, as sanctionedsuicide said. What he meant was that he couldn't keep up with the emails he was getting.

He was charging 700 euros. The math is simple.

Desperate people can be gullible people, and they will believe what they are desperate to believe. Even to the point where they know it's probably a scam. Happens all the time. Our guy in the other thread is as low as people who scam with fake cancer cures. Lowest of the low. The noxious sludge in a blocked sewer. Lower than that.

I'm always surprised when people think an email address with a name is actually a person with that name. "Patrick" is sanctionedsuicide. Both fake names obviously.

I have to say though, the guy is exceptionally good. Seriously. He had everything covered, until it unraveled quite quickly at the end and he fell into a heap crying about how much he "loved helping people". Helping people to lose their money. What a fucker.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Thank you @WayOut for being the first to point out the scam, and you did it eloquently and convincingly.

Like they say, hindsight is always 10/10, and now that it's clear it's scam it's easy to notice there were so many red flags. Just the fact of being from the EU lessens the credibility of the seller. Mexico is a corrupted country ravaged by crooked police, cartels, crime and a malleable rule of law. Being able to get N from Mexico or the EU are two differents things altogether.

All the merit goes to you for taking a stance on what may seemed just like paranoia to the rest of us, even after seeing the redflags.

 

[quantumdynamics]

did anybody on this thread got a picture from patrick of the medicine next to something that reveals the picture was taken recently and by your request? (like a note w/ date)? cause I did, and that's why I ordered.

 

[dartanian]

did anybody on this thread got a picture from patrick of the medicine next to something that reveals the picture was taken recently and by your request? (like a note w/ date)? cause I did, and that's why I ordered.

what does it proves exactly?
that he has a bottle of N and a camera.
it doesn't mean he is reliable.

 

[Chinaski]

Would it be worth incorporating a policy on here where all similar "hey guys! New N supplier!" posts are shut down until the vendor has PPH endorsement? I know this site has no responsibility towards its users in terms of protecting them from scams, but in light of this it could do with being a bit more vigilant when it comes to propelling scammers.

Sorry for repeating myself but in light of what is now emerging regarding 'T' and the frequency with which he was put forward by a former user of this forum l figured this suggestion was worth repeating.

 

[WayOut]

what does it proves exactly?
that he has a bottle of N and a camera.
it doesn't mean he is reliable.

Yes. It really is that simple.

I think the "proof" was a pic of two bottles with a card stuck between them with Patrick handwritten one it.

It would be possible to get those bottles from the Eastern European country that distributed them to vets. Getting a supply chain going is a whole different thing.

It's probably easier to do a quick and dirty scam, and not send anything once the orders started. The Exit endorsement set that up for him. Hit and run. Easier than being a real supplier and fuck around getting the product and sending it. 100 orders nets over $100,000. Collect, then move on.

Exit are completely silent when people have asked on the forum about how the Domingo scammer made the cut and got listed, even briefly. Guess it's embarrassing for them to have been conned. Also, if word got out about that, then their reputation as the ultimate go to source for genuine nembutal would be fucked. At the end of the day, the only reason they get their mega sales of the PPeH is their contact for a nembutal supplier. If Exit are no longer reliable, there goes their reputation, and profits.

 

[WayOut]

Thank you @WayOut for being the first to point out the scam, and you did it eloquently and convincingly.

You're welcome, but lots of people were on it, not just me. That's how the scammer got outed, on this forum before Exit's forum. It's so bad there that the guys who are trying to point out the bleeding obvious are the same guys that the mod there is shitting all over and trying to silence. That forum is North Korea now.

 

[Chinaski]

what does it proves exactly?
that he has a bottle of N and a camera.
it doesn't mean he is reliable.

Lovemykids did exactly the same thing. He posted a photo of the bottles in his hand, which is a pretty unnecessary thing to do unless you're intending to *convince* somebody.

 

[WayOut]

"Would it be worth incorporating a policy on here where all similar "hey guys! New N supplier!" posts are shut down until the vendor has PPH endorsement? I know this site has no responsibility towards its users in terms of protecting them from scams, but in light of this it could do with being a bit more vigilant when it comes to propelling scammers."

Sorry for repeating myself but in light of what is now emerging regarding 'T' and the frequency with which he was put forward by a former user of this forum l figured this suggestion was worth repeating.

Verification in the PPeH? Domingo got that. It didn't work out real well for Exit. All very hushed up when the forum members who who saw something off asked questions. Mega silence from Exit.

They marketed Patrick. Glowing introduction to him as the new supplier they had found. He was outed here. Then they woke up and backtracked.

I'm absolutely not knocking what you said, Chinaski. It is a great suggestion, and and completely logical.

But, what if the PPeH / Exit gets scammed? Twice. What if becomes public? Maybe they're already too entrenched for it to have an effect on them yet, but reputations are hard to gain, but can be lost in a second.

Their reputation is their currency. Without it, what have they got left to sell? "Reliable sources" not reliable at all.