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Just a note, I don't think bashing on the family is going to do much good, referring to them as 'pieces of shit' isn't helpful nor is it respectful to the deceased.

I can guarantee most of my family would not be supportive of suicide and when I'm gone if they found out about this place, I can almost promise you they'd have nothing nice to say, but they're ignorant, that's the issue. Despite this and all of their shortcomings, I don't think I'd like people calling them 'pieces of shit'.

It's the same thing with that Shawn Shatto's family, they're just ignorant and you know what they say, ignorance is bliss.

The way I like to think of it is like this, when I was younger I was so fiercely opposed to euthanasia, I remember watching a documentary on 'Dr Death' aka Jack Kevorkian for R.E. class and I remember thinking at the time, this guy is one of the most evil guys in the world, at the time I was deeply religious and I honestly believed that there was a place in hell saved for people like Jack Kevorkian.

Years on so many of my views have changed, I honestly feel this has come about from being a more understanding, empathetic and enlightened person as a whole. I'm by no means perfect and still have my flaws but back then I was ignorant of so many facts, how crippling mental health can truly be, how devastating chronic pain, illness and addiction can be.

Now I see people like Jack Kevorkian as pioneers, he was the true original pioneer who paved the way for the likes of Philip Nitschke.

I now see this topic for what it truly is a mercy and a kindness in ways.

The thing is, would I ever refer to myself as a 'piece of shit' back when I was like that, well no, I wouldn't because, honestly, I didn't know any better. It's the very definition of being ignorant and that's the reason I always give people the benefit of the doubt.

These people don't know any better, for some part it's not entirely their fault, we're surrounded by so much negative propaganda, look at how the press demonise this place, look at the Shawn Shatto case and the lies and nastiness spread about this site and the topic of pro-choice in general. Sadly, a lot of people are products of society and right now society is not about or for pro-choice, most countries still haven't passed euthanasia laws for the terminally ill yet. The UK which paved the way in liberal laws recently voted to reject euthanasia despite overwhelming public support so I doubt we'll get support across the board any time soon.

Just cut people some slack and remember it's easy to be critical but we should lead by example and pave the way that love, peace, understanding and compassion is the way forward.
 
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c824767

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OK so this is what we have to do: we have to become open about wanting to be dead. We do not have to be pathetic about it. We have to stand our ground. We have reasons. We do not want to surprise and baffle people. We want them to know the reasons because they go to the core of the problems of humanity.
 
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As for a person who lives in Canada, this just cheered me up and felt tremendous joy and relief knowing that assisted death could be available for Canadians suffering from mental illness in the near future.
 
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As for a person who lives in Canada, this just cheered me up and felt tremendous joy and relief knowing that assisted death could be available for Canadians suffering from mental illness in the near future.
It does look like the tipping point is getting closer. Let's hope the trend holds.
 
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Thia is another case


 
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Emily is her name. I hope this all creates momentum and some butt head does not decide to stop it and revert back to what we had as it happened when they introduced euthanasia in Australia. At the time that was a huge setback for me, I was living in Australia at the time. Euthanasia was legal for a period between 1996 and 1997 in the Northern Territory, until a federal law overturning the territory law (and removing the right of territories to legislate on euthanasia) was passed. Doctors who had assisted patients during that time had to defend themselves in court. It was a clusterf**ck.
 
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Just a note, I don't think bashing on the family is going to do much good, referring to them as 'pieces of shit' isn't helpful nor is it respectful to the deceased.

I can guarantee most of my family would not be supportive of suicide and when I'm gone if they found out about this place, I can almost promise you they'd have nothing nice to say, but they're ignorant, that's the issue. Despite this and all of their shortcomings, I don't think I'd like people calling them 'pieces of shit'.

It's the same thing with that Shawn Shatto's family, they're just ignorant and you know what they say, ignorance is bliss.

The way I like to think of it is like this, when I was younger I was so fiercely opposed to euthanasia, I remember watching a documentary on 'Dr Death' aka Jack Kevorkian for R.E. class and I remember thinking at the time, this guy is one of the most evil guys in the world, at the time I was deeply religious and I honestly believed that there was a place in hell saved for people like Jack Kevorkian.

Years on so many of my views have changed, I honestly feel this has come about from being a more understanding, empathetic and enlightened person as a whole. I'm by no means perfect and still have my flaws but back then I was ignorant of so many facts, how crippling mental health can truly be, how devastating chronic pain, illness and addiction can be.

Now I see people like Jack Kevorkian as pioneers, he was the true original pioneer who paved the way for the likes of Philip Nitschke.

I now see this topic for what it truly is a mercy and a kindness in ways.

The thing is, would I ever refer to myself as a 'piece of shit' back when I was like that, well no, I wouldn't because, honestly, I didn't know any better. It's the very definition of being ignorant and that's the reason I always give people the benefit of the doubt.

These people don't know any better, for some part it's not entirely their fault, we're surrounded by so much negative propaganda, look at how the press demonise this place, look at the Shawn Shatto case and the lies and nastiness spread about this site and the topic of pro-choice in general. Sadly, a lot of people are products of society and right now society is not about or for pro-choice, most countries still haven't passed euthanasia laws for the terminally ill yet. The UK which paved the way in liberal laws recently voted to reject euthanasia despite overwhelming public support so I doubt we'll get support across the board any time soon.

Just cut people some slack and remember it's easy to be critical but we should lead by example and pave the way that love, peace, understanding and compassion is the way forward.
I think mainly the UK does not want to become a suicide tourist destination. One person per week travels from the UK to Switzerland to die. A son who accompanied his mom from the UK to Switzerland, was questioned by the murder squad but eventually let go.://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/25/assisting-a-suicide-is-not-always-a-rules-italian-court.
Same thing in Italy. Court let the activist go who helped a patient to get to Switzerland to die peacefully there. Court eventually let him go too.
 
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That girl decided to go on living in the end though didn't she?

But she was granted the right to an assisted death.
I think mainly the UK does not want to become a suicide tourist destination. One person per week travels from the UK to Switzerland to die. A son who accompanied his mom from the UK to Switzerland, was questioned by the murder squad but eventually let go.://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/25/assisting-a-suicide-is-not-always-a-rules-italian-court.
Same thing in Italy. Court let the activist go who helped a patient to get to Switzerland to die peacefully there. Court eventually let him go too.

There has been a few cases like this in the UK.

They have said that prosecuting these people would cause a huge back lash from the public and therefor it isn't in the 'public interest' to bring a prosecution which I agree with, but I just feel they might as well go the full hog and legalise it.

I understand the point they raise about not wanting to become a suicide tourist attraction but certain states in the US that are legalising this, stipulate that you must be a resident / citizen of the state for the past X years to utilise the service, so to me there are no real 'valid' excuses not to pass this as legislation.
 
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c824767

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You are right Emily chose to live. I am not sure if she can use her "get out of jail free" card any time or if they decided to revoke the permission because she did not use it immediately. Same thing happened in Quebec, 2 people were permitted to die and are hesitant. I understand. I have the means and opportunity and have chosen to live. for now. I am not sure how long I can do this. Emily too, is still conflicted or so they said in the article I read.
 
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You are right Emily chose to live. I am not sure if she can use her "get out of jail free" card any time or if they decided to revoke the permission because she did not use it immediately. Same thing happened in Quebec, 2 people were permitted to die and are hesitant. I understand. I have the means and opportunity and have chosen to live. for now. I am not sure how long I can do this. Emily too, is still conflicted or so they said in the article I read.
Hi c824767, yeah I read about this case a while back. Actually she did go through with it. At first she decided to wait and put it off and try to live but 3 yrs later on aug 18 , 2018 she went through with it. Sad but this is just the way it ended. Hopefully there is no more suffering for her. Seems like from what I have read it that it is pretty hard to get accepted. Plus a bunch of hoops to jump through. I personally don't feel like I should have to pay like 10,000 plus move to the area for who knows how long just to die. Unfortunately I will have to do it myself if I go through with it. Red tape sucks!
 
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Hi c824767, yeah I read about this case a while back. Actually she did go through with it. At first she decided to wait and put it off and try to live but 3 yrs later on aug 18 , 2018 she went through with it. Sad but this is just the way it ended. Hopefully there is no more suffering for her. Seems like from what I have read it that it is pretty hard to get accepted. Plus a bunch of hoops to jump through. I personally don't feel like I should have to pay like 10,000 plus move to the area for who knows how long just to die. Unfortunately I will have to do it myself if I go through with it. Red tape sucks!
If you have 10000euro you can spend it most likely you will not need it in the afterlife...
 
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Man they'll never do that here in America. I don't suffer from a mental illness. I suffer from a physical one so you would think they would want to put me out if my painful misery since they can't cure me and I'm left to live like a suffering animal.
 
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As of 2019, California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine (as of September 2019), New Jersey (as of August 2019) Oregon, Vermont, and Washington have death with dignity statutes. In Montana, physician-assisted dying has been legal by State Supreme Court ruling since 2009. These are the states within the US that have legal provisioning.. I suspect your are not going to die from your illness in the foreseeable future ? This is what we want changed in Canada. The "foreseeable future" clause is not helpful for some of our cases who are suffering greatly but doctors cannot give a good estimate that they will die "soon". Foreseeable future is a bit of a barn door but is interpreted as far as we can tell, as a definite timeframe diagnosis by a doctor, except in Quebec 2 patients who are not terminally but severely ill were able to receive permission to die in September of this year. Interestingly neither of them has used the permission yet but they both look like they will not hesistate much longer.
 
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Having that option and permission is important and the case about the 24 year old Belgian who was given the permission and choice to die, at the last moment chose to live. I consider that a significant recovery and I do believe that having the option to check out and knowing that it is there (albeit not easy to access by design - safeguards and measures to prevent abuse), can go a long way.

The US is still eons and perhaps many decades away from getting to said point (if ever). I believe more states will legalize voluntary euthanasia like this, but how much more and to what extent (whether it will be expanded to include long term psychological suffering is still uncertain).
 
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Having that option and permission is important and the case about the 24 year old Belgian who was given the permission and choice to die, at the last moment chose to live. I consider that a significant recovery and I do believe that having the option to check out and knowing that it is there (albeit not easy to access by design - safeguards and measures to prevent abuse), can go a long way.

The US is still eons and perhaps many decades away from getting to said point (if ever). I believe more states will legalize voluntary euthanasia like this, but how much more and to what extent (whether it will be expanded to include long term psychological suffering is still uncertain).
Which is why I ask everyone to insist, insist, insist.
 
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c824767

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I believe this also.
Looks like the family did not file a law suit. I thought I had read they did. Might have withdrawn. Maybe you are right and they had medical records showing a terminal disease.
 
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But didn't that first guy also admit to not only to feeling tortured due to his sexuality but also having inappropriate thoughts for minors?! Still sad either way, as it really feels like an illness to him, that he doesn't want! :(
Just another ridiculous factoid that makes you want to doubt that sex can be a really good thing.
 
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Just another ridiculous factoid that makes you want to doubt that sex can be a really good thing.
Well I did used to think it was. (Personally) Purely recreationally thou. But yeah lots of negative aspects for sure.
 
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Well I did used to think it was. (Personally) Purely recreationally thou. But yeah lots of negative aspects for sure.
I am just in a really bad mood today. I do not begrudge anyone having great sex. I am just sick of the male dominance that is incorrectly associated with self-confidence; and believing in oneself is incorrectly viewed as beneficial even when the person who believes in themselves is evil. Optimism is a human reflex to a dire situation. It is NOT real. The situation is NOT good because we have optimism. We have optimistic reflexes BECAUSE the situation is dire. 500 rapes per day.