Patient suffering from depression but not terminally ill was given assisted death in Canadian hospital

[c824767]

Family says B.C. man with history of depression wasn't fit for assisted death

A British Columbia man who struggled with depression and showed no signs of facing an imminent death was given a medically-assisted death despite desperate pleas from his loved ones, family members say.

www.ctvnews.ca

What do you all think ?
no kidding. nothing on google after September 2019 but __it is hitting fan right now I am sure.

 

[spanishguy22]

"He didn't have a life-threatening disease. He was capable of getting around. He was capable of doing almost anything that you had to do to survive," his brother, Gary Nichols, told CTV News. "I didn't think he had a sound mind at all."

What a stupid piece of shit. " Oh he could survive in his own just fine, so it doesn't matter he felt like shit all the time and was in mental hell! Also he's depressed so he must be crazy, no sound mind so he doesnt know what he's doing!!! "
Insensitive ignorant fools like him make up way too much of this species. Woudnt be surprised if his family played a big role in his suicide, they seem selfish and not supportive.

 

[c824767]

"He didn't have a life-threatening disease. He was capable of getting around. He was capable of doing almost anything that you had to do to survive," his brother, Gary Nichols, told CTV News. "I didn't think he had a sound mind at all."

What a stupid piece of shit. " Oh he could survive in his own just fine, so it doesn't matter he felt like shit all the time and was in mental hell! Also he's crazy, no sound mind so he should be watched and locked! "
Insensitive ignorant fools like him make up way too much of this species.

I read he was in the hospital because of neglect/malnutrition.Probably tried to starve himself to death. Where was the family then ?

 

[MeltingHeart]

It is kind of strange contradiction that in looking at cases of assisted death for the mentally ill/ depressed they want you to be "of sound mind" but then your chronically depressed- so in some sense they could argue you are NOT technically of sound mind- but hey- that's exactly WHY you don't wanna live anyway- so it complicated - but as long as you are "sound" enough to decide for yourself & you are not being manipulated by anyone to do it- that I think that should be ok. Does that even make any sense?!
Just to add another comment I saw one in Belgium where a guy got it for long term alcoholism! He couldn't seem to recover - some people just can't- kind of makes it a chronic or terminal illness (if can be acknowledged/ accepted they will most likely die from it eventually) just like any other in some ways. It has to be acknowledged- how long is a person meant to suffer by hanging on to the merest hope of recover?!

 

[MissNietzsche]

It is kind of strange contradiction that in looking at cases of assisted death for the mentally ill/ depressed they want you to be "of sound mind" but then your chronically depressed- so in some sense they could argue you are NOT technically of sound mind- but hey- that's exactly WHY you don't wanna live anyway- so it complicated - but as long as you are "sound" enough to decide for yourself & you are not being manipulated by anyone to do it- that I think that should be ok. Does that even make any sense?!
Just to add another comment I saw one in Belgium where a guy got it for long term alcoholism! He couldn't seem to recover - some people just can't- kind of makes it a chronic or terminal illness (if it's accepted they will most likely die from it eventually) just like any other in some ways. It has to be acknowledged- how long is a person meant to suffer by hanging on to the merest hope of recover?!

that's so interesting...part of the reason I want to ctb is because I have binge eating disorder..I've tried so hard to recover, but I can't. I've had it since I was 12...I didn't know someone else would consider suicide over an addiction rational.

 

[MeltingHeart]

that's so interesting...part of the reason I want to ctb is because I have binge eating disorder..I've tried so hard to recover, but I can't. I've had it since I was 12...I didn't know someone else would consider suicide over an addiction rational.

Oh im so sorry- I had one in the past also- for years- no one ever knew- it was like my dirty secret- which made it even worst. It's so hard I know. I did recover from it all my own though. Just went on to have loads of other problems instead!

 

[ReneeSuicideAccount]

Dude that family sounds super horrible to be around! Good god!

I do wonder that if they understand he was just about dead when they used the friends house key too get into his place. Nothing really changed expect he had a much more peaceful exit.

aside from the bitchy family I love stories like this it gives me hope that one day I won't have resort it a violent method or put my oh so beloved family through any more trauma finding my dead body.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Man euthanised because he's an alcoholic

Euthanasia for people in 'unbearable suffering' and no prospect of improvement is legal in the country

www.google.com

 

[LegaliseIt!]

Family says B.C. man with history of depression wasn't fit for assisted death

A British Columbia man who struggled with depression and showed no signs of facing an imminent death was given a medically-assisted death despite desperate pleas from his loved ones, family members say.

www.ctvnews.ca

What do you all think ?
no kidding. nothing on google after September 2019 but __it is hitting fan right now I am sure.

Canadian here:
It is entirely possible that the man had a terminal illness and didn't share that information with his family. Once the psychiatrist and psychologist evaluated him as mentally competent, the patient would not require a family decision maker.
A few years ago, I worked at the Chilliwack General Hospital. It is in a rural area, and the majority of physicians there were some combination of Christian, Pro-life, and Risk Averse.
There is definitely more to this story that we will never know.
I was with my Mum when she CTB (end stage kidney disease; age 87)
It is a peaceful way to go, and I am strong advocate for MAID to be available to all adults—Mentalillness is cruel, brutal and not treatable (mostly)

 

[SerenitySeeker]

I just skimmed through the article. Had to because reading what that poor man was/had gone through most of his life and his family's insistence that they had "helped" him to live for 50 years to just lose him in that manner. Blood boiling.
I am so sick of people who have never experienced severe depression talk as if it is a condition that can be lived with for forever. It fucking isn't!! There are medical journals that show what long term depression does to your brain and your body. It's documented medical fact.
He was 61 years old and he was miserable. He had every right to end his life in a dignified, pain free manner. I understand the grief of not wanting to lose a loved one. I get it but gotdamn at what point will humanity evolve away from this live forever by any means bullshit. He was 61 years old, it's a miracle in and of itself he made it to that age.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Dude that family sounds super horrible to be around! Good god!

I do wonder that if they understand he was just about dead when they used the friends house key too get into his place. Nothing really changed expect he had a much more peaceful exit.

aside from the bitchy family I love stories like this it gives me hope that one day I won't have resort it a violent method or put my oh so beloved family through any more trauma finding my dead body.

I concur the family sounds quite shit- he was clearly suffering a lot for a very long time- once again family want them to live for purely selfish reasons!

 

[SerenitySeeker]

Canadian here:
It is entirely possible that the man had a terminal illness and didn't share that information with his family. Once the psychiatrist and psychologist evaluated him as mentally competent, the patient would not require a family decision maker.
A few years ago, I worked at the Chilliwack General Hospital. It is in a rural area, and the majority of physicians there were some combination of Christian, Pro-life, and Risk Averse.
There is definitely more to this story that we will never know.
I was with my Mum when she CTB (end stage kidney disease; age 87)
It is a peaceful way to go, and I am strong advocate for MAID to be available to all adults—Mentalillness is cruel, brutal and not treatable (mostly)

I believe this also.

 

[Moonicide]

I've dealt with mental illness for 15 years. In treatment, on medication, and on disability. I should have the right to end my life... It's not something that I decided overnight. No one gets to point of ctb just by one little thing. It takes a lot. When people decide to ctb there's been a lot of thought, you sit with it for a bit. We've all been here sitting with it, thinking about it, we've all tried to live. We've all been in a battle and we're all wounded. People don't understand that. People are so selfish and want us to continue to live for them. Not for us, for them. Just because we look okay on the outside, doesn't mean we're okay on the inside. If only our scars and wounds would be visible, how many people would believe us now?

 

[MeltingHeart]

There is another interesting case in Belgium where a guy wants it due to his paedophilic feelings- which he's never acting on -thank god-he does refer to it as his sexual orientation though-which is a bit disturbing, but guess that how he views it. But kind of respect it- he wants it cos he knows it's wrong & he's sick and feels likes he's trapped with it.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

I've dealt with mental illness for 15 years. In treatment, on medication, and on disability. I should have the right to end my life... It's not something that I decided overnight. No one gets to point of ctb just by one little thing. It takes a lot. When people decide to ctb there's been a lot of thought, you sit with it for a bit. We've all been here sitting with it, thinking about it, we've all tried to live. We've all been in a battle and we're all wounded. People don't understand that. People are so selfish and want us to continue to live for them. Not for us, for them. Just because we look okay on the outside, doesn't mean we're okay on the inside. If only our scars and wounds would be visible, how many people would believe us now?

Very well said! The people that want me to live are not actually able to understand what 49 years of psych pain does to a person!

 

[SerenitySeeker]

I've dealt with mental illness for 15 years. In treatment, on medication, and on disability. I should have the right to end my life... It's not something that I decided overnight. No one gets to point of ctb just by one little thing. It takes a lot. When people decide to ctb there's been a lot of thought, you sit with it for a bit. We've all been here sitting with it, thinking about it, we've all tried to live. We've all been in a battle and we're all wounded. People don't understand that. People are so selfish and want us to continue to live for them. Not for us, for them. Just because we look okay on the outside, doesn't mean we're okay on the inside. If only our scars and wounds would be visible, how many people would believe us now?

Exactly. Which is why when I see in the news people who are famous or centered in the media and it's reported they "suddenly" committed suicide after dealing with mental illness for damn decades. I always roll my eyes at the reporting. There is no "suddenly". At some point you get fed up with experiencing what we all experience, years upon years of this with no reprieve no matter what you do. Nobody wants to live like this and nobody should have to.

 

[morningdew]

clearly the guy was suffering. He deserved the option to die. His family is crazy to think he was doing "good" on meds.

 

[Nem]

That's nice to see, means I have hope! Mentioned to my therapist last week that I want medically assisted death
Peace/hugs

 

[notjustyetagain]

25 years of "growing with my mental illness" here -- nothing to show for it. my deadline has been a quarter century for the past decade. i've done my fucking time, thanks.

 

[piupianissimo]

That's nice to see, means I have hope! Mentioned to my therapist last week that I want medically assisted death
Peace/hugs

Just curious @Nem, how did your therapist respond?!

25 years of "growing with my mental illness" here -- nothing to show for it. my deadline has been a quarter century for the past decade. i've done my fucking time, thanks.

On point. Agree with what you and @Moonicide said, we don't have anything on the outside to show how much is going on inside. Even us who self-harm never do it "for attention" as they say, we keep covered and never let anyone see.

 

[Nem]

Just curious @Nem, how did your therapist respond?!
Therapist just said to check with my dr which seemed reasonable
Peace/hugs


On point. Agree with what you and @Moonicide said, we don't have anything on the outside to show how much is going on inside. Even us who self-harm never do it "for attention" as they say, we keep covered and never let anyone see.

 

[c824767]

It is kind of strange contradiction that in looking at cases of assisted death for the mentally ill/ depressed they want you to be "of sound mind" but then your chronically depressed- so in some sense they could argue you are NOT technically of sound mind- but hey- that's exactly WHY you don't wanna live anyway- so it complicated - but as long as you are "sound" enough to decide for yourself & you are not being manipulated by anyone to do it- that I think that should be ok. Does that even make any sense?!
Just to add another comment I saw one in Belgium where a guy got it for long term alcoholism! He couldn't seem to recover - some people just can't- kind of makes it a chronic or terminal illness (if can be acknowledged/ accepted they will most likely die from it eventually) just like any other in some ways. It has to be acknowledged- how long is a person meant to suffer by hanging on to the merest hope of recover?!

There is a lot of anxiety in the community of the terminally ill <in Canada etc.> that they will get too mentally ill to qualify for medically assisted death, if they accidentally allow their disease to progress to that point. Legislation is needed that they can make a plan with the doctor and give advanced consent. In absence of this legislation, they choose to take assisted death prematurely and feel sad about that.

 

[MeltingHeart]

There is a lot of anxiety in the community of the terminally ill <in Canada etc.> that they will get too mentally ill to qualify for medically assisted death, if they accidentally allow their disease to progress to that point. Legislation is needed that they can make a plan with the doctor and give advanced consent. In absence of this legislation, they choose to take assisted death prematurely and feel sad about that.

yeah that is sad...advanced consent makes a hell of alot of sense to me, whether for physical or psycholoigcal reasons.

 

[awfullife]

May he rest in peace...

 

[c824767]

Just curious @Nem, how did your therapist respond?!



On point. Agree with what you and @Moonicide said, we don't have anything on the outside to show how much is going on inside. Even us who self-harm never do it "for attention" as they say, we keep covered and never let anyone see.

We need a voice. This forum is great but what else could we have ? ideas ?

That's nice to see, means I have hope! Mentioned to my therapist last week that I want medically assisted death
Peace/hugs

perfect. I might follow suit.I have only been suicidal since February 2019 though

Exactly. Which is why when I see in the news people who are famous or centered in the media and it's reported they "suddenly" committed suicide after dealing with mental illness for damn decades. I always roll my eyes at the reporting. There is no "suddenly". At some point you get fed up with experiencing what we all experience, years upon years of this with no reprieve no matter what you do. Nobody wants to live like this and nobody should have to.

I am so utterly fed up with what I am experiencing every day, and when I talk to people they tell me the same thing. They feel ASSAULTED by the rest of the world, the news, the utter devastation that is threatening to engulf this planet.

 

[Nem]

Just curious @Nem, how did your therapist respond?!



On point. Agree with what you and @Moonicide said, we don't have anything on the outside to show how much is going on inside. Even us who self-harm never do it "for attention" as they say, we keep covered and never let anyone see.
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Just curious @Nem, how did your therapist respond?!

My therapist just said to talk to my dr. I don't have a very nice therapist
Peace/hugs

 

[c824767]

There is another interesting case in Belgium where a guy wants it due to his paedophilic feelings- which he's never acting on -thank god-he does refer to it as his sexual orientation though-which is a bit disturbing, but guess that how he views it. But kind of respect it- he wants it cos he knows it's wrong & he's sick and feels likes he's trapped with it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sia-escape-unbearable-sexuality-a7072841.html. He is not really a pedophile just gay and feels incapable of accepting his own sexual identity. Sexual rights are human rights but living with sexual inhibitions and in this case being "mortally" averse to one's own sexuality is a very unenviable human condition. This guy has the opposite problem. Jason Leonard another human being that makes me despise this existence. I am sharing the planet with THIS GUY ! https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/23/paed...h-to-talk-its-old-enough-to-have-sex-7875243/

 

[MeltingHeart]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sia-escape-unbearable-sexuality-a7072841.html. He is not really a pedophile just gay and feels incapable of accepting his own sexual identity. Sexual rights are human rights but living with sexual inhibitions and in this case being "mortally" averse to one's own sexuality is a very unenviable human condition. This guy has the opposite problem. Jason Leonard another human being that makes me despise this existence. I am sharing the planet with THIS GUY ! https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/23/paed...h-to-talk-its-old-enough-to-have-sex-7875243/

But didn't that first guy also admit to not only to feeling tortured due to his sexuality but also having inappropriate thoughts for minors?! Still sad either way, as it really feels like an illness to him, that he doesn't want! :(

 

[c824767]

But didn't that first guy also admit to not only to feeling tortured due to his sexuality but also having inappropriate thoughts for minors?! Still sad either way, as it really feels like an illness to him, that he doesn't want! :(

But didn't that first guy also admit to not only to feeling tortured due to his sexuality but also having inappropriate thoughts for minors?! Still sad either way, as it really feels like an illness to him, that he doesn't want! :(

Yes technically he was watching child porn. I predict If they lower the age of consent back to 10 like in medieval times we will have a lot of 90 year old rape victims turned suicide ideators...

 

[Taki]

"He didn't have a life-threatening disease. He was capable of getting around. He was capable of doing almost anything that you had to do to survive," his brother, Gary Nichols, told CTV News. "I didn't think he had a sound mind at all."

What a stupid piece of shit. " Oh he could survive in his own just fine, so it doesn't matter he felt like shit all the time and was in mental hell! Also he's depressed so he must be crazy, no sound mind so he doesnt know what he's doing!!! "
Insensitive ignorant fools like him make up way too much of this species. Woudnt be surprised if his family played a big role in his suicide, they seem selfish and not supportive.

You don't need to attack the family, since they're obviously going to be upset about it. Also this was an unusual case and I can see why they were stunned. Seems pretty unlikely that they mistreated him too.
But obviously this man had his reasons. It's too bad there's such a focus on his disabilities. He may well have been sitting on something else he never disclosed. I think there are many of us here whose deaths will surprise and baffle people.