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Aliaiactaest

Student
Jun 7, 2019
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The two of youz need to learn how to utilize the ignore button. This thread is dramatic and attention-seeking. It is bullshit to judge someone's suicidality as bullshit. They're suicidal and that's the bottom line, and they're going to be supported in this non-judgmental environment
For the most part, I have ignored those posts. I'm not saying that these people aren't entitled to think what they are thinking. I feel bad for a lot of these kids because it sounds like they are mentally askew and, for that reason alone, should not be thinking about CTB. I don't think my job is to just encourage everyone to go CTB particularly a young kid who wants to. I'm not going to stop him, but I'm also not going to encourage him by saying yes, his parents are shit, and all that when I really don't have any clue what the reality is.
 
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Darkhaven

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All i have left is memories
May 19, 2019
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I kind of agree.
There are already threads and posts asking people about their favourite sex positions...
 
SinisterKid

SinisterKid

Visionary
Jun 1, 2019
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Some people just make me ashamed to admit I am a older person. Its a global disgrace that young people feel there is no way out of their situations, whatever they be, other than suicide. To then mock them because of their age alone, fuck me, would you dare say the same if they were gay/trans or black?

If you dont like what the younger generation have to say, dont read their threads/posts. But these kids/young adults are our futures and we should be helping them any way we possibly can, not telling them to stop being "drama queens"

My little one has already had counseling after the death of another grandparent of cancer, should we just have told her to stop being a drama queen and behave like a adult?

And as for the original question: I seriously doubt you will find another forum online where the young people of today are castigated by the old for daring to have feelings and emotions, but good luck with your search.
 
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Empty Smile

Empty Smile

The final Bell has rung. Goodbye to all.
Jul 13, 2018
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I kind of agree.
There are already threads and posts asking people about their favourite sex positions...
This is one of the threads I mentioned earlier about not clicking on and reading. Can't help but wonder if someone is just hoping to get lucky by using this site to manipulate people into it.
 
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oopswronglife

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Jun 27, 2019
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For the most part, I have ignored those posts. I'm not saying that these people aren't entitled to think what they are thinking. I feel bad for a lot of these kids because it sounds like they are mentally askew and, for that reason alone, should not be thinking about CTB. I don't think my job is to just encourage everyone to go CTB particularly a young kid who wants to. I'm not going to stop him, but I'm also not going to encourage him by saying yes, his parents are shit, and all that when I really don't have any clue what the reality is.

It's odd to me you think "support" means encouraging someone to be miserable and CTB. Support here just means listen, empathize, and offer experience...while not applying unreasonable standards to people. At the least its accepting people have the right to make their own choices. Sure if someone is being a total wanker and insulting and being cruel then there isn't much you can do...but just because someone is stressed out, dramatic, or otherwise not "sick enough" in one's eyes...doesn't make them wrong. Saying "you have no clue what reality is" to someone who hasn't had the chance to learn is unfair. Teach them...and don't make it out to be a personal slight if they don't accept what you share.
 
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RainAndSadness

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Jun 12, 2018
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A lot of what you say here is your populist assumptions on what I have said and a lot of it is wrong. But it is so obvious that there are many people on her "for effect". It is that simple. It is the same outside of this forum. In regards use of the word teenagers, I used it to describe the current snowflake generation who believe that every minor is a major issue and that it is cool to say you have mental illness. This a well supported phenomenon in science, and also applies to people of older generations who seek attention. Future generations will have no capacity to cope with minor problems. In addition the social media generation demand that everyone views a sneeze as something the world needs to know and that they must be supported for. If you speak to practitioners in MH, there workloads have been overloaded by the surge in referrals to them for things that are just issues that exist in life and are nothing to do with mental health. They therefore cannot treat the people that they view as those who need their help. There are people in this forum that talk about the failures of mental health support and it is well know in the UK that dramatizing has created a surge in unneeded treatment.

I don't live in that world where mental illness is considered as "cool" by young people. Are you sure you're interpretating the portrayal of mentally ill people in pop culture accurately? When I see popular movies like Split, I see the demonisation and stigmatization of people that suffer from dissociative identity disorder, for example. And I could probably mention many more recent examples that work like that, if I did a little bit of research. But I know the current portrayal of mentally ill people in movies isn't fair. Nobody is glorifying it, I think the opposite is the case. People are scare-mongering about these issues and use these trops in horror movies a lot. Like, what a jerk-move, if you ask me.

So what you say isn't a "well supported phenomenon in science". You misunderstand the psychology behind suicidal behavior in young people. Not all suicide attempts aim for death. That's something we need to realize. That's the reality. Some people - and I guess this applies to mostly younger people - attempt suicide as a cry for help. Some people do it because they don't get any medical attention and aren't taken seriously by doctors. That's a serious problem. So what an you do? Self-harm, right? Something that many people would consider as "attention-seeking behavior"? Suicide attempts, which again, would be considered as "attention-seeking" behavior by people. For some people, that's the only way to get help. Because we tend to underestimate and downplay the struggles of young people. I would never make the claim that young people seek attention. I think it's harmful to generalize young people like that and I am very sure only a small minority who display suicidal behavior actually do it because they want to be edgy and cool. But some young people simply want to leave because they're struggling and done with the world. I understand that too. I was in the same boat 10 years ago. I was suicidal back when I was 14 years old. And that's why I take a little bit offense when you talk about teenagers like that. Nothing personal though.
 
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Vegrau

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Nov 27, 2018
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Hahahaha everything is dramatic. Living. Dying. Even this thread. Face it people love drama. People love attention. People want to be heard and known. Thats why threads exist. If everyone are so cool then nobody would had posted anything. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt makes you better. There's nothing more dramatic than wanting to die. And you expect people who choose death not to act dramatically? Just accept it. Its one of the way people use to validate their existence. Ignoring it is always an option.
 
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Mbound

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Apr 29, 2019
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Yes, I agree entirely. It is much worse today than even a month or two ago. There is a lot of drama and, most disturbingly, a lot of glorification of suicide and visceral hatred for perceived pro-lifers and authority figures such as therapists, law enforcement, etc. A lot of the posters are very young, angry with their parents, angry with their lives, etc.

People have a right to be angry with law enforcement and such and express that here, especially if you've bought N and are now worried each day about being raided by cops and being forcibly taken to a psych ward for god knows how long. It's not like you can really express that anger or anxiety to anyone you know IRL. Sure, there are some people who just stop by here to vent and may seem dramatic or bitter, but I've seen self-described older people act the exact same way on here. It's a very heavy topic and a lot of people express things here they could never express anywhere else without being immediately dismissed, or forced into some kind of institution.

I am unapologetically absolutely disgusted by law enforcements recent actions, especially the measures they've taken in Australia against elderly terminally ill people who are members of Exit. I think it's unconscionable and I will never stop expressing that opinion.
 
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pole

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Sep 18, 2018
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This sort of thread reminds me of an older thread that was made. The person accused those who are younger of not being actually suicidal and depressed but just depressed and blinded and undervalued their mental state and emotions because they used EMOJIS when they talked. ex; :), :/, :p, :D, :o.
Literally anything and they actually tried to minimize and understand how they felt through their use of happy emojis when they talked.

Let that sink in. idk why this thread exists. How can we tell if ones pain is worse than someone else's, or if ones is genuine or not? Really? Like we're assuming how people are suppose to feel based on genuinity? Let them talk about whatever they want, whatever they feel they wanna talk about.

There's literally a NFSW chat, where there's people talking about sex and shit. Are suicidal people just not suppose to talk about that type of shit? What about threads of video games, school, like is there a norm or standard for suicidal people or those who are depressed to abide by?
This is one of the threads I mentioned earlier about not clicking on and reading. Can't help but wonder if someone is just hoping to get lucky by using this site to manipulate people into it.
Obviously. no one can know if someone's truly genuine nor are someone's intentions just easy to recognize. There's people that like to take complete advantage of those who are vulnerable to further their own self interests. It happens everywhere, and it happens in life. Work, school, literally ANYTHING. this forum isn't any different, from people trying to scam, even predators trying to use partners thread to do something. But it happens, it's life and it's on us to be smarter about it. However, it shouldn't stop them from talking about what they wanna talk about? Maybe there into that sort of stuff, that's them. Others are interested in talking about MUSIC, VIDEO GAMES. Are those just also unnecessary topics that those with suicidal and depressive ideations tend to not talk about because their mental state isn't of the norm? Ridiculous. If that's what they wanna talk about to get their minds off all the shit there going through, let them be and let mods and admins worry about those who are disgenuine, as well as other users reporting those who think have wrongful intentions.

For some, sex is an escape, a safe haven, that stops them from feeling what they wanna feel, allows them not to be alone for a temporary period. let them talk about it, even if it includes specifics.

Video games for me is a safe haven, as well as writing, music, fashion. Let us talk about it to get our minds off of our shitty lives. if we didn't have these outlets to escape to, some of us would be 10000 times worse.
 
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not_a_robot

not_a_robot

"i hope the leaving is joyful, & never to return"
May 30, 2019
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I'm glad it's not just me feeling this. But it's an age thing and probably just a lot of young and perhaps immature types on here (although not to diminish the fact that many will have issues because of horrible past histories).

But there is so much drama queen stuff and it drives me mad. For my part, I'm past my prime and just working to get on with it. Shoot me if you ever catch me in a drama queen exit mode..
Lol you don't think threads like this, where everybody makes a big performative display of how "offended" they are by the presence of differing opinions that they could easily Ignore, qualify as "drama-queening"?
...mmmkaaaay...:heh:
 
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JWL

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Jan 15, 2019
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Lol you don't think threads like this, where everybody makes a big performative display of how "offended" they are by the presence of differing opinions that they could easily Ignore, qualify as "drama-queening"?
...mmmkaaaay...:heh:


No. Well, only if there's the 'drama'. Expressing an opinion fairly calmly is not 'drama-queening'. Milking your situation is.
 
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painoflife

painoflife

Arcanist
Jul 27, 2019
491
I guess that sometimes a person posting on here will talk about the latest incident which has effectively tipped them over the edge, it doesn't mean that is the full extent of their circumstances and much more may be going on with them.
What seems like something trivial to one person could be the thing to give somebody the final push towards CTB.
 
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HGL91

Warlock
Jul 2, 2019
720
While I can understand your feelings...you are being unfair. This forum isn't just for you and people like you. There is no proper way to be suicidal. There is no list of valid reasons. There is no requirement to be intending to do it tomorrow. You use "teenagers" as an insult but their feelings are as valid as anyones and we were all there once. You want empathy for your situation but don't want to give it to others. Claiming something to be offensive and hindering care to those who need it isn't reasonable as a way to bolster your view. It minimizes anyone who doens't fit your definition of "properly ill". The people who bother me the most here have exactly the same right to be here as anyone. I can ignore (figuratively an literally) the posts or posters if it is too frustrating and I would bet we find a lot of the same stuff offputting. I can find information by searching and reading the resources. It's not as dire as you are believing.

I can't put enough hearts on this post. Well said!
 
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