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[Tally]

Hello,

I've "enjoyed" being on this forum for some time, however with that has come more and more of a realisation. There does seem to be such an influx of "dramatics" ie people who act like todays teenagers, where the smallest thing is an issue, and dramatizing this on a forum is some form of "coolness". I've dropped in on the chat room recently, and unsurprisingly given the need for the immediate attention of a dramatic, this is even more prevalent in there. I feel like maybe the % of people on here for reasons of genuinely wanting a method to pass away is a very small relative number. I enjoy reading what some of you write, but have dropped out of reading a lot of threads as there is so much attention seeking. Thanks to the forum members and admins, mods, I'll continue to enjoy parts of the forum, but are there other forums people could PM me about that perhaps aren't quite so dramatic. Thanks

 

[Aliaiactaest]

Yes, I agree entirely. It is much worse today than even a month or two ago. There is a lot of drama and, most disturbingly, a lot of glorification of suicide and visceral hatred for perceived pro-lifers and authority figures such as therapists, law enforcement, etc. A lot of the posters are very young, angry with their parents, angry with their lives, etc.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

There used to be the S. Methods Hideout forum and it was up for years and very informative, but it was hosted by google and they finally shut it down. It was informative but then more and more the dramatics became prevalent and they stopped allowing any new members to join and it was becoming extinct even before google shut it down. You can still search some good info from one of its most knowledgeable participants, "California Psychopomp".

 

[RainAndSadness]

There is no such thing as the suicidal person. We're all different. Some are very expressive and talk openly about their suicide ideation, which may appear as attention seeking to some people (especially older ones) and some people are rather introverted. It doesn't mean every single individual in here that is truly suicidal isn't valid. And we shouldn't start to gate-keep people either. I also think the rebellious nature of this forum is quite normal for a community that speaks out against the status quo (like, suicide being immoral). But I agree with you about the dramatic events that happened in the last few months but it's totally normal that these incidents shake up a vulnerable community. We all fear to lose this forum, as it's our only place to talk about our problems.

 

[Tally]

There is no such thing as the suicidal person. We're all different. Some are very expressive and talk openly about their suicide ideation, which may appear as attention seeking to some people, especially older ones and some people are rather introverted. It doesn't mean every single individual in here that is truly suicidal isn't valid. And we shouldn't start to gate-keep people either. I also think the rebellious nature of this forum is quite normal for a community that speaks out against the status quo (like, suicide being immoral). But I agree with you about the dramatic events that happened in the last few months but it's totally normal that these incidents shake up a vulnerable community. We all fear to lose this forum, as it's our only place to talk about our problems.

I wouldn't dispute your first point, but there is a very obvious use of the forum for "likes", and for amateur dramatics for reactions. I'm not talking about the dramatics of recent events.

 

[Talpa]

I read threads of and talked to some people that I genuinely feel bad for and can relate to. Those guys are going through hell and aren't bullshitting around. But then recently I dropped by the chat and read that some girl is basically cheating on her boyfriend with some other guy because the sex is too good. And now her great fear is that one of them finds out and start relationship drama, if I understood it correctly. I would lie if I said it didn't piss me off somewhat.
Of course I am against gatekeeping, I'm not one to judge who's "worthy" and who not. Suffering is as subjective as it gets but if you are on a pro-choice suicide forum next to people that probably won't even be alive next year because you can't decide between two dicks, I can't take you too serious.
Then again, relationships are a very touchy subject for me, so maybe I am just overexaggerating.

 

[SinisterKid]

Its not something that has not been hinted at before. Its not some great insight into how this forum works or about the members that frequent it. But if you are looking at creating a shit storm, this kind of thread tends to do the trick if someone reads it and decides its a personal slur against them. Then the fun starts.

For me, I take it all with a pinch of salt and pepper as it is all gravy and tomorrow is another day and all the other damned cliches you or I can conjure up.

 

[Tally]

I read threads of and talked to some people that I genuinely feel bad for and can relate to. Those guys are going through hell and aren't bullshitting around. But then recently I dropped by the chat and read that some girl is basically cheating on her boyfriend with some other guy because the sex is too good. And now her great fear is that one of them finds out and start relationship drama, if I understood it correctly. I would lie if I said it didn't piss me off somewhat.
Of course I am against gatekeeping, I'm not one to judge who's "worthy" and who not. Suffering is as subjective as it gets but if you are on a pro-choice suicide forum next to people that probably won't even be alive next year because you can't decide between two dicks, I can't take you too serious.
Then again, relationships are a very touchy subject for me, so maybe I am just overexaggerating.

It is offensive to those who are here for a genuine reason.

Its not something that has not been hinted at before. Its not some great insight into how this forum works or about the members that frequent it. But if you are looking at creating a shit storm, this kind of thread tends to do the trick if someone reads it and decides its a personal slur against them. Then the fun starts.

For me, I take it all with a pinch of salt and pepper as it is all gravy and tomorrow is another day and all the other damned cliches you or I can conjure up.

It shouldn't be ignored, as it dilutes true illness and true needs of a forum such as this.

 

[SinisterKid]

Define genuine for me please. Oh, and offensive, because I find a little humour and a tad of empathy go a long way to making this place very genuine and very inoffensive. But then, I am old and senile so wtf would I know about it anyway.

Chips and gravy twice please

 

[Tally]

Define genuine for me please. Oh, and offensive, because I find a little humour and a tad of empathy go a long way to making this place very genuine and very inoffensive. But then, I am old and senile so wtf would I know about it anyway.

Chips and gravy twice please

As someone also a little older, I think the words offensive and genuine, in the context of "illness for effect" are quite obvious and don't need explanation. We live in a world where those who need help, don't get it, because there is a section of people, who don't understand the impact that their self promotion for effect has on others

 

[SinisterKid]

If someone can translate please, way over my head. What part of old and senile do you not get?

I am just being facetious.

Do you do Nagasaki sauce and fried rice as well by any chance?

 

[cryptic_cynic]

Haha, you're being a dramatic attention seeker for making this thread. Didn't realize those who are so attached to their own hierarchy of what is and isn't "serious" enough were such sensitive snowflakes.

You just sound like some old man yelling "Get off my lawn!"

 

[oopswronglife]

While I can understand your feelings...you are being unfair. This forum isn't just for you and people like you. There is no proper way to be suicidal. There is no list of valid reasons. There is no requirement to be intending to do it tomorrow. You use "teenagers" as an insult but their feelings are as valid as anyones and we were all there once. You want empathy for your situation but don't want to give it to others. Claiming something to be offensive and hindering care to those who need it isn't reasonable as a way to bolster your view. It minimizes anyone who doens't fit your definition of "properly ill". The people who bother me the most here have exactly the same right to be here as anyone. I can ignore (figuratively an literally) the posts or posters if it is too frustrating and I would bet we find a lot of the same stuff offputting. I can find information by searching and reading the resources. It's not as dire as you are believing.

 

[Empty Smile]

While I can say I have enjoyed SS since I first joined, it has changed since then. Although everyone has a right to make a thread as they see fit, I think a lot of these threads have gone off the rails of what SS is all about.

I haven't posted much these last few weeks, but I have been lurking. Just by the title of some of these threads keep me from clicking on them. IMO, some threads should have not been allowed to remain.

 

[Boonks]

"But then recently I dropped by the chat and read that some girl is basically cheating on her boyfriend with some other guy because the sex is too good. And now her great fear is that one of them finds out and start relationship drama, if I understood it correctly. I would lie if I said it didn't piss me off somewhat" - OP

"A lot of posters are very young, angry with their parents, angry with their lives, etc" - Allaiactaest

The two of youz need to learn how to utilize the ignore button. This thread is dramatic and attention-seeking. It is bullshit to judge someone's suicidality as bullshit. They're suicidal and that's the bottom line, and they're going to be supported in this non-judgmental environment.

 

[oopswronglife]

While I can say I have enjoyed SS since I first joined, it has changed since then. Although everyone has a right to make a thread as they see fit, I think a lot of these threads have gone off the rails of what SS is all about.

I haven't posted much these last few weeks, but I have been lurking. Just by the title of some of these threads keep me from clicking on them. IMO, some threads should have not been allowed to remain.

I think your creepy eyeball is a much bigger problem the admins need to deal with. I have to hold my thumb over it and type one handed it skeeves me out so much. Agggghhhhhh! Stop looking at me!!

 

[Boonks]

Were they posted in the Off Topic forum perhaps? @Empty Smile

 

[Rukia]

They're suicidal and that's the bottom line, and they're going to be supported in this non-judgmental environment.

How exactly are they "supported" now?

Do you think what DIGNITAS does for example is "jugdemental" I mean that they dont offer death to everybody?

 

[oopswronglife]

How exactly are they "supported" now?

I think you misundertood @Boonks as they were saying in THIS forum all people should be supported regardless of whether another person thinks their reason is valid. You can also support someone and guide them to help and critical thinking, without dismissing them as "dramatic teenagers" etc as well. There is a reasonable middle.

The OP is taking the behavior of a few who are troublemakers, and projecting it onto anyone they don't think is valid and that is what I have a personal issue with. I have a story that anyone who hears it would accept as valid...but I have no more right to be here and talk about things than a younger person who is in a situational issue. This isn't just "get busy dying" central.

 

[Empty Smile]

I think your creepy eyeball is a much bigger problem the admins need to deal with. I have to hold my thumb over it and type one handed it skeeves me out so much. Agggghhhhhh! Stop looking at me!!

But people were upset when I changed my eye to something else, so I put it back up.

Were they posted in the Off Topic forum perhaps? @Empty Smile

I've seen them in both sections. But I'm not one who reports threads to mods(unless its a major issue) because I believe everyone should be allowed freedom of speech.

 

[Tally]

While I can understand your feelings...you are being unfair. This forum isn't just for you and people like you. There is no proper way to be suicidal. There is no list of valid reasons. There is no requirement to be intending to do it tomorrow. You use "teenagers" as an insult but their feelings are as valid as anyones and we were all there once. You want empathy for your situation but don't want to give it to others. Claiming something to be offensive and hindering care to those who need it isn't reasonable as a way to bolster your view. It minimizes anyone who doens't fit your definition of "properly ill". The people who bother me the most here have exactly the same right to be here as anyone. I can ignore (figuratively an literally) the posts or posters if it is too frustrating and I would bet we find a lot of the same stuff offputting. I can find information by searching and reading the resources. It's not as dire as you are believing.

A lot of what you say here is your populist assumptions on what I have said and a lot of it is wrong. But it is so obvious that there are many people on her "for effect". It is that simple. It is the same outside of this forum. In regards use of the word teenagers, I used it to describe the current snowflake generation who believe that every minor is a major issue and that it is cool to say you have mental illness. This a well supported phenomenon in science, and also applies to people of older generations who seek attention. Future generations will have no capacity to cope with minor problems. In addition the social media generation demand that everyone views a sneeze as something the world needs to know and that they must be supported for. If you speak to practitioners in MH, there workloads have been overloaded by the surge in referrals to them for things that are just issues that exist in life and are nothing to do with mental health. They therefore cannot treat the people that they view as those who need their help. There are people in this forum that talk about the failures of mental health support and it is well know in the UK that dramatizing has created a surge in unneeded treatment.

 

[SinisterKid]

Sauces please.

Of course, I mean sources, silly me.

 

[Tally]

"But then recently I dropped by the chat and read that some girl is basically cheating on her boyfriend with some other guy because the sex is too good. And now her great fear is that one of them finds out and start relationship drama, if I understood it correctly. I would lie if I said it didn't piss me off somewhat" - OP

"A lot of posters are very young, angry with their parents, angry with their lives, etc" - Allaiactaest

The two of youz need to learn how to utilize the ignore button. This thread is dramatic and attention-seeking. It is bullshit to judge someone's suicidality as bullshit. They're suicidal and that's the bottom line, and they're going to be supported in this non-judgmental environment.

You've totally missed the point. Firstly you haven't even attempted to answer the question in my post which was about other forums, so don't call the post attention seeking when you cant be arsed to answer the question. Secondly "they are suicidal". No that is the point, there are clearly many on here who are not!!!!!!!!!! People really are incapable of seeing the woods for the trees

 

[oopswronglife]

I used it to describe the current snowflake generation

Sometimes one phrase is all it takes to know everything about a person. I wish you would have led with this as I wouldn't have even bothered since people who say things like this are not reasonable at all.

You wanted attention and you got it. You wanted an argument and you got it. We all know how you feel now. You can speak but you cannot make us agree...and that's what REALLY upsets you.

To answer your question...I know of no other on topic forums that cater only to old people with your specific politics and set of illness criteria.

 

[Boonks]

Hey, if someone's not actively suicidal, that's fucking awesome! Is it not? They're still here for a reason. Like someone said above, this place isn't a "get busy dying" central.

 

[GeorgeJL]

I use to post things that seemed dramatic and I am in my mid 30's and now a mod. And even though I rarely post anymore, I do have several methods ready to use in case my health turns south. Meaning I am serious about this whole suicide thing. I actually wasn't trying to be dramatic, the goal in my posts was actually to just get people thinking outside the box many times. But then again it seems to me that these youngsters have a different mentality if they are angry as I don't get angry fast.

 

[Boonks]

Hot damn. SinisterKid is SASSY.

 

[SinisterKid]

Hot damn. SinisterKid is SASSY.

Finally

 

[Mud.]

Hello,

I've "enjoyed" being on this forum for some time, however with that has come more and more of a realisation. There does seem to be such an influx of "dramatics" ie people who act like todays teenagers, where the smallest thing is an issue, and dramatizing this on a forum is some form of "coolness". I've dropped in on the chat room recently, and unsurprisingly given the need for the immediate attention of a dramatic, this is even more prevalent in there. I feel like maybe the % of people on here for reasons of genuinely wanting a method to pass away is a very small relative number. I enjoy reading what some of you write, but have dropped out of reading a lot of threads as there is so much attention seeking. Thanks to the forum members and admins, mods, I'll continue to enjoy parts of the forum, but are there other forums people could PM me about that perhaps aren't quite so dramatic. Thanks

There's the Exit International forum. But you do have to buy the $100 online edition of the PPH and be over 50 and/or have a chronic/terminal illness to be allowed on it. https://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/forums/

 

[JWL]

Hello,

I've "enjoyed" being on this forum for some time, however with that has come more and more of a realisation. There does seem to be such an influx of "dramatics" ie people who act like todays teenagers, where the smallest thing is an issue, and dramatizing this on a forum is some form of "coolness". I've dropped in on the chat room recently, and unsurprisingly given the need for the immediate attention of a dramatic, this is even more prevalent in there. I feel like maybe the % of people on here for reasons of genuinely wanting a method to pass away is a very small relative number. I enjoy reading what some of you write, but have dropped out of reading a lot of threads as there is so much attention seeking. Thanks to the forum members and admins, mods, I'll continue to enjoy parts of the forum, but are there other forums people could PM me about that perhaps aren't quite so dramatic. Thanks

I'm glad it's not just me feeling this. But it's an age thing and probably just a lot of young and perhaps immature types on here (although not to diminish the fact that many will have issues because of horrible past histories).

But there is so much drama queen stuff and it drives me mad. For my part, I'm past my prime and just working to get on with it. Shoot me if you ever catch me in a drama queen exit mode..