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[FromEngland]

New here.
Looking to see what options are out there.
Already found out about something called SN which seems... complicated.
N, which seems difficult to find the authentic and it's illegal.
I was looking into hanging for its practicality and was looking to find the best methods... but I'm not into pain.
A gun would be fine... if I could find one.
I'm in the UK, looking for painless methods and preferably uncomplicated ones.
Thanks.

 

[Lethe]

Already found out about something called SN which seems... complicated.

Wrong

 

[CrushedHopes]

SN is anything but difficult. Did you read the guide here?

Or the comprehensive guide here?

 

[Astral316]

I thought SN was too complicated too until I read the suicide wiki slowly and carefully. The regimen is pretty straight forward... the confusion arises from the questions "Can I substitute X for Y?" and "Can I add Z?"

 

[howard]

Hi. I'm in UK also. Found this forum a month ago. Have needed advice for about 3 years really
Have now got the SN (sodium nitrite) definitely the 'ite' not ate. Got Meto short for an important antiemetic see mega threads. Got 2 plan option and have the advice and support from here.also the occasional LOL on this site as the dark humor sometimes should really be a routine on stage.I think Jack Dee could pull it off well.
Do lots of research and nothing on impulse. I wish you well. Here or after and am here for you as are all the others.
Howard- my real name, cos it doant matter to me, you should Stay anonymous tho really.

 

[Crystal Labeija]

SN will absolutely revolutionize the right to die movement. A substance so accessible and so easy to use and is proving to be reliable.

 

[fightingsioux]

New here.
Looking to see what options are out there.
Already found out about something called SN which seems... complicated.
N, which seems difficult to find the authentic and it's illegal.
I was looking into hanging for its practicality and was looking to find the best methods... but I'm not into pain.
A gun would be fine... if I could find one.
I'm in the UK, looking for painless methods and preferably uncomplicated ones.
Thanks.

A small tank of inert gas (nitrogen, helium, argon), a few other easy-to-obtain items. Been around a long time, quick, reliable, easy, painless.
Read the megathread here, especially the first few pages.

 

[Passersby]

Lots of methods out there but I think I am leaning towards the gas method like you said. Shouldn't be a problem to get a tank of nitrogen but I haven't tried yet. That is high up on my list though if not actually at the top. I used to get tanks refilled with co2 and a nitrogen mixed but never asked for pure 99%nitrogen. Does anybody know if you can buy that? The rest of the materials would be easily attainable. I already have most of them. The tank and gas is the main thing. Or I also might just go with hanging if I have to do it before I get those supplies. Sometimes the suffering is too much and I might just go ahead with another method that's ready but gas seems more preferred.

 

[fightingsioux]

Lots of methods out there but I think I am leaning towards the gas method like you said. Shouldn't be a problem to get a tank of nitrogen but I haven't tried yet. That is high up on my list though if not actually at the top. I used to get tanks refilled with co2 and a nitrogen mixed but never asked for pure 99%nitrogen. Does anybody know if you can buy that? The rest of the materials would be easily attainable. I already have most of them. The tank and gas is the main thing. Or I also might just go with hanging if I have to do it before I get those supplies. Sometimes the suffering is too much and I might just go ahead with another method that's ready but gas seems more preferred.

Nitrogen is easily attainable either online or at a local store. Mine is a company named Airgas, they're a distributor of industrial, medical and specialty gases. I believe that they're a large national company, if not you should have no trouble finding a similar company in your area.

As I said in my previous post, the OP on the Exit Bag & Gas megathread does an excellent job going through the process step-be-step.

 

[Passersby]

Okay great thanks I'll take a look at it.

 

[BlueWidow]

SN will absolutely revolutionize the right to die movement. A substance so accessible and so easy to use and is proving to be reliable.

I agree. I just hope the authorities don't catch on and clamp down on it. In the past there were so many things you could use that were so easy to get to ctb. Such as Marilyn Monroe dying from Nembutal overdose. Wish I could do that. Or even earlier than that when heroin, opium, and cocaine were sold as over the counter tonics and remedies.
SN seems to be about the easiest and most reliable substance you can get right now without buying illegal street drugs or conning a doctor into giving you serious prescription meds.

 

[AgonyOnMe]

Fentanyl, if you can get it, seems to me to be simple, quick and and definite.

Lots of methods out there but I think I am leaning towards the gas method like you said. Shouldn't be a problem to get a tank of nitrogen but I haven't tried yet. That is high up on my list though if not actually at the top. I used to get tanks refilled with co2 and a nitrogen mixed but never asked for pure 99%nitrogen. Does anybody know if you can buy that? The rest of the materials would be easily attainable. I already have most of them. The tank and gas is the main thing. Or I also might just go with hanging if I have to do it before I get those supplies. Sometimes the suffering is too much and I might just go ahead with another method that's ready but gas seems more preferred.

Helium was one of my top choices until I saw they were starting to add 20% oxygen to keep people from using it for suicide.

 

[BlueWidow]

Fentanyl, if you can get it, seems to me to be simple, quick and and definite.

Helium was one of my top choices until I saw they were starting to add 20% oxygen to keep people from using it for suicide.

Bummer. It's like you've got to stay 2 steps ahead of the pro life authorities all the time. As soon as they catch onto one method, you have to either alter it or find a new method.

 

[bornsinner]

Nitrogen is easily attainable either online or at a local store. Mine is a company named Airgas, they're a distributor of industrial, medical and specialty gases. I believe that they're a large national company, if not you should have no trouble finding a similar company in your area.

As I said in my previous post, the OP on the Exit Bag & Gas megathread does an excellent job going through the process step-be-step.

can u provide me the link to that thread. I can't find it myself

Fentanyl, if you can get it, seems to me to be simple, quick and and definite.

Helium was one of my top choices until I saw they were starting to add 20% oxygen to keep people from using it for suicide.

no it's because the world is running out helium

 

[AgonyOnMe]

can u provide me the link to that thread. I can't find it myself

no it's because the world is running out helium

Oh, that's right. That could be the real reason, they just saw an opportunity to provide less product but still look good and say it was for suicide.

 

[FromEngland]

SN seems complicated to me because of several reasons:
One, I read here that some people had reactions, allergies, their tongue got weird and started moving and they had to call an ambulance. To me that's no good.
Two, long process over two days (from the little I read here) which to me feels extremely anxiety inducing as it's forcing you to deal with it over too long a time.
Three, the whole keeping it in and not puking doesn't sound like it'll work for me. I have IBS and other issues. It's hard for me to keep anything in as it is so with a substance that makes you puke… I'm just not getting the vibe that it'll work in my case but obviously I could be wrong.
Four, I can't see how to get it. I don't have my own ebay or paypal accounts and I can't use my wife's because then it will look like she helped me or worse and she may end up going to jail or something crazy like that. So unless these are things I can buy in cash in London I just don't see how I'll ever get them.

 

[Stan]

I don't have my own ebay or paypal accounts and I can't use my wife's because then it will look like she helped me or worse and she may end up going to jail or something crazy like that. So unless these are things I can buy in cash in London I just don't see how I'll ever get them.

You can use a regular debit/credit card on ebay. I know as that is what I used.

 

[Crystal Labeija]

I agree. I just hope the authorities don't catch on and clamp down on it. In the past there were so many things you could use that were so easy to get to ctb. Such as Marilyn Monroe dying from Nembutal overdose. Wish I could do that. Or even earlier than that when heroin, opium, and cocaine were sold as over the counter tonics and remedies.
SN seems to be about the easiest and most reliable substance you can get right now without buying illegal street drugs or conning a doctor into giving you serious prescription meds.

Sodium nitrite will be difficult to take out of the market because there is so much of it out there and it's necessary for preserving meat and curing it. However, even if they ban it, people will find an accessible way. I think SN opened the door for easily accessible method. I mean, who would have thought that it was reliable years ago? Now, everything is fair game. The government will eventually catch up and realize that the real problem is suicidal ideation, not accessibility to suicide.

 

[BlueWidow]

Sodium nitrite will be difficult to take out of the market because there is so much of it out there and it's necessary for preserving meat and curing it. However, even if they ban it, people will find an accessible way. I think SN opened the door for easily accessible method. I mean, who would have thought that it was reliable years ago? Now, everything is fair game. The government will eventually catch up and realize that the real problem is suicidal ideation, not accessibility to suicide.

That's true that they probably will never be able to completely eliminate it. But the government, at least the US government, in my experience always finds a way to take something away from you if it works too well. All it's going to take is for one person to sue someone who makes SN or to alert some politician that people are using it to ctb and there will be some huge campaign to at least limit access to it. The US government seems to be very good at that.
I agree with you completely that it has opened the door to an easily accessible method.
I hope you are right that they finally figure out that suicide ideation is the problem and not access to methods of suicide. I've been waiting my whole life for them to do that. I suspect it's not gonna happen in my lifetime.
Hopefully suicidal people in the future will have an easier time than the people now are having. Progress just seems to move so slowly.

 

[Crystal Labeija]

That's true that they probably will never be able to completely eliminate it. But the government, at least the US government, in my experience always finds a way to take something away from you if it works too well. All it's going to take is for one person to sue someone who makes SN or to alert some politician that people are using it to ctb and there will be some huge campaign to at least limit access to it. The US government seems to be very good at that.
I agree with you completely that it has opened the door to an easily accessible method.
I hope you are right that they finally figure out that suicide ideation is the problem and not access to methods of suicide. I've been waiting my whole life for them to do that. I suspect it's not gonna happen in my lifetime.
Hopefully suicidal people in the future will have an easier time than the people now are having. Progress just seems to move so slowly.

Here is the thing with the US: even if they ban Sodium Nitrite, people will find a way. I don't know who discovered SN, but before SN, there weren't a lot of methods that involved items you can get from anywhere. The discovery of SN as a CTB method will make the right to life people look at other accessible items as possible methods. At some point, guns will become the most popular methods and Republicans will never limit access to guns. If kindergardeners in Sandy Hook couldn't move them, mass suicide won't.

But if you look at the US government and local governments right now, they're still stuck with putting nets on bridges.

 

[BlueWidow]

Here is the thing with the US: even if they ban Sodium Nitrite, people will find a way. I don't know who discovered SN, but before SN, there weren't a lot of methods that involved items you can get from anywhere. The discovery of SN as a CTB method will make the right to life people look at other accessible items as possible methods. At some point, guns will become the most popular methods and Republicans will never limit access to guns. If kindergardeners in Sandy Hook couldn't move them, mass suicide won't.

But if you look at the US government and local governments right now, they're still stuck with putting nets on bridges.

That's true, I hadn't thought about Sandy Hook. And it's also true that our government is very inept.
You also bring up an interesting question. I wonder who it was that developed the SN regime? Was it Phillip Nitschke?
They must've known it was poisonous for a long time because it's been poisoning people accidentally, probably ever since it's discovery. But someone had to develop the actual regime that you use to take it.
Whoever it was, I'm extremely grateful to that person.

 

[Crystal Labeija]

That's true, I hadn't thought about Sandy Hook. And it's also true that our government is very inept.
You also bring up an interesting question. I wonder who it was that developed the SN regime? Was it Phillip Nitschke?
They must've known it was poisonous for a long time because it's been poisoning people accidentally, probably ever since it's discovery. But someone had to develop the actual regime that you use to take it.
Whoever it was, I'm extremely grateful to that person.

I'm not sure. I have an edition from 2014 and it doesn't mention Sodium Nitrite or inorganic salts. Plus, older editions were more skeptical of the method because there wasn't a lot of evidence. But SN's rating on the PR test keeps going up (it's 76% now. N is 88% I believe). I don't have the latest edition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes up. Unfortunately, Phillip Nitschke is currently too focused on his Sarco project.

EDIT: It looks like SN's score went up by two points:

 

[BlueWidow]

I'm not sure. I have an edition from 2014 and it doesn't mention Sodium Nitrite or inorganic salts. Plus, older editions were more skeptical of the method because there wasn't a lot of evidence. But SN's rating on the PR test keeps going up (it's 76% now. N is 88% I believe). I don't have the latest edition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes up. Unfortunately, Phillip Nitschke is currently too focused on his Sarco project.

EDIT: It looks like SN's score went up by two points:

Wow! Thanks for the info! And it has the highest availability rating of all the methods.
Thanks so much for sharing this information. I was already extremely confident of SN, but this information makes me even more confident in it!
I think a lot of people on here are making the SN regime a bit too complicated. I know people are searching for a completely painless method that involves no anxiety whatsoever, but I don't think one of those exists. Another thing people keep saying is that the SN method causes pain, but I've seen no evidence of that. You may get a little discomfort, but as Stan has said, it's very minor. And you are trying to go against your SI and your bodies defenses that keep you alive. It's never going to be a walk in the park.

 

[Crystal Labeija]

Wow! Thanks for the info! And it has the highest availability rating of all the methods.
Thanks so much for sharing this information. I was already extremely confident of SN, but this information makes me even more confident in it!
I think a lot of people on here are making the SN regime a bit too complicated. I know people are searching for a completely painless method that involves no anxiety whatsoever, but I don't think one of those exists. Another thing people keep saying is that the SN method causes pain, but I've seen no evidence of that. You may get a little discomfort, but as Stan has said, it's very minor. And you are trying to go against your SI and your bodies defenses that keep you alive. It's never going to be a walk in the park.

I think we have to acknowledge that there is no ideal way to die. When committing suicide, you are going up against the forces of survival instinct, something that humans developed over millions of years. Honestly, is a little discomfort going to make you live a painful life?

Also, there are pro-lifers who lurk here and spread misinformation to scare people into staying alive. The Amitriptyline Method has practically lost its appeal because of fear-mongering.

 

[BlueWidow]

I also must admit that I sometimes have a hard time accepting how accessible and relatively easy the SN regime is because I've been wanting to ctb for so long and I failed so many times that I kind of find it hard to believe that I got so incredibly lucky to find such an easy and accessible method.
I'm taking it as a sign that this time I am definitely going to succeed, as long as I do all of my research and follow the regime correctly.
I think that may be part of the reason why some people are making it more difficult than it actually is. They just can't get their head wrapped around the fact that there may be an easy and accessible way to ctb if you just do your research and follow the regime.
They must feel like it has to be more complicated than that. And since it isn't, they'll try to make it more complicated by adding unneeded medications and so forth.

I think we have to acknowledge that there is no ideal way to die. When committing suicide, you are going up against the forces of survival instinct, something that humans developed over millions of years. Honestly, is a little discomfort going to make you live a painful life?

Also, there are pro-lifers who lurk here and spread misinformation to scare people into staying alive. The Amitriptyline Method has practically lost its appeal because of fear-mongering.

Exactly