Opiodes and nembutal

[Anje]

My potential suicide partner uses opiodes for painkillers. And i use anti psychotic but it says it just means longer comatose before death. But what about opiodes? She used them for a long time now i think. Does it prevent death with nembutal?

 

[Idorus]

But what about opiodes? She used them for a long time now i think. Does it prevent death with nembutal?

People having used opiods for a while have a delayed gastric emptying and it will take longer for coma and death to occur. I'm sure about this cause I read it in a recent article from our nvve magazine and we can't get it any closer to the truth than that. They only talked about opiods in relation to N. No other cross tolerance was mentioned so I assume it is the most important. It doesn't mean you won't die ofcourse, only that it takes longer to end up in a coma and longer to die.

 

[ImsooDone1N]

Depends if they are potent opioids & how dependent the person is on said opioids. Tho initially all opioids cause both a decrease in frequency & amplitude of peristaltic waves, a person taking opioids long term/regularly is less likely to be effected by this. Also opioids are CNS depressants (they act directly on the medulla, causing varying degrees of respiratory depression). So without more information (type of opioid, dose & frequency) they may delay things a bit initially, but as N is also a CNS depressant, it's possible there could be synergy between the opioid & Nembutal. IMO opiates would probably increase the respiratory depression. I can't imagine a situation where opioids would cause a paradoxical effect of barbiturates.

 

[GeorgeJL]

My potential suicide partner uses opiodes for painkillers. And i use anti psychotic but it says it just means longer comatose before death. But what about opiodes? She used them for a long time now i think. Does it prevent death with nembutal?

Opiates and barbiturates are in two separate classes so I don't think it would effect it that much, but IDK for sure.

 

[ImsooDone1N]

Correct, Opioids/Opiates are Narcotic analgesics. Barbiturates are sedative/hypnotic/anxiolytic drugs. But they both cause respiratory depression. However I am not a healthcare provider & paradoxical effects can occur -hope that helps.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Google search if opiates build up tolerance for barbiturates.

 

[Idorus]

Can we dispute the words of a doc having attended several assisted suicides while researched the same experience of colleguaes in the field in depth?
It isn't for nothing that less than 1 out of 20 in my country "chooses" for assisted suicide (as opposed to the injection per euthanasia) which is drinking N. The reason for that is unpredictabilities. Opiods seem to be a significant reason for a prolonged comatose phase. I don't doubt their word in this.

 

[Cantbereal]

Can we dispute the words of a doc having attended several assisted suicides while researched the same experience of colleguaes in the field in depth?
It isn't for nothing that less than 1 out of 20 in my country "chooses" for assisted suicide (as opposed to the injection per euthanasia) which is drinking N. The reason for that is unpredictabilities. Opiods seem to be a significant reason for a prolonged comatose phase. I don't doubt their word in this.

So they choose drinking it? I'm on opiods 2 years plus and am using sn. Delayed gastric emptying happens which is why it may take longer?

 

[usedtobright]

So they choose drinking it? I'm on opiods 2 years plus and am using sn. Delayed gastric emptying happens which is why it may take longer?

Do you think an opioid like fentanyl for a person who has never tried opioids could work for ctb?

 

[Cantbereal]

I'm not sure
Not sure