Help Opinions on SN

[wayahead2030]

Got my SN. I need to go asap. I need someone to talk to to walk me through it.

 

[AnonymousL]

If that's the case then maybe you should either wait to get some kind of solution for that or perhaps if it's possible, find some other alternative but either way, whether it's sn or not, si will be present.

Thats true. To me SN is the most cormfotable way in my eyes to go.
I researched multiple other methods but all seem to scary or too hard.

SN seems the best method for me.. even though i cant acces benzo's to make it easier.

Got my SN. I need to go asap. I need someone to talk to to walk me through it.

when do u wanna do it? aand what regimen are u gonna follow

 

[wayahead2030]

I feel an urgency. As soon as possible. Need to muster the courage. Not sure about the regimen. I don't have access to the supporting medications - just the sn. Was just thinking that I go with an extra large dose and hope for the best since I have no confidence that I could get the other materials in a time line that works for me.

Thats true. To me SN is the most cormfotable way in my eyes to go.
I researched multiple other methods but all seem to scary or too hard.

SN seems the best method for me.. even though i cant acces benzo's to make it easier.

when do u wanna do it? aand what regimen are u gonna follow

 

[AnonymousL]

Anybody who thinks SN isn't a good method should see what partial suspension looks like while the unconscious person chews their own tongue and makes terrifying gurgling sounds while thrashing around hitting the wall. They don't feel any of it, but assuming you can get your neck through that knot long enough to lose consciousness, it's considered a fast and effective way to CTB.

Why is ending yourself so fucking gruesome.

I wish a peaceful death was more accesible to people.

I feel an urgency. As soon as possible. Need to muster the courage. Not sure about the regimen. I don't have access to the supporting medications - just the sn. Was just thinking that I go with an extra large dose and hope for the best since I have no confidence that I could get the other materials in a time line that works for me.

I suggest to go with the 48 hour fast regimen even though you don't have acces to the AE.
and take the dose suggested in that regimen.

taking an overly large dose won't do any good but thats my personal opinion. I'm no expert.

Make sure to prepare some extra cups in case you vomit too much.

 

[wayahead2030]

It has a lot of pro's and few cons. So it's a very popular method for that reason. No darknet needed. Low effort to acquire materials. Legal. Fairly high on the peacefulness scale. Affordable. Can be transported discreetly and done anywhere private(unlike something like lugging around a nitrogen tank or charcoal/CO, which needs quite a ... spectacle/performance to get done). Not messy like a shotgun. I'm sure there are more.

The flaws with this method are 1) getting found, 2) vomiting 3) purity of product(It can degrade). One may also have personal quirks like maybe drinking something really salty would be particularly disturbing. One may be a deeply neurotic person so maybe waiting 15 minutes to die would also be terrible for them (Nembutal even, the premium method, would have this to some degree, so there's really no "method-solution" to such a problem-- the better solution is to work on working towards a calmer mind)

Fun fact: Exit International has not seen a single failed or non peaceful SN attempt from their findings. The reason you hear about "SN Failures", is because the successes, which far far outnumber any failures(you never know how well these people followed protocol), do not get reported, for obvious reasons.

Can you share any specifics on protocol? Any resources that I can look into?

 

[notforl0ng]

Why is ending yourself so fucking gruesome.

I wish a peaceful death was more accesible to people.

Me too. I think an important reality to face is that a fairy tale, princess death where you're peacefully laying in bed with both arms folded isn't realistic. All you can do is minimize the suffering you yourself are going to go through. I think SN sounds extremely tame, you just need benzos or something to take the edge off and make sure you can't be found.

Even the most peaceful death has you making death rattles and horrifying sounds that anybody you live with is gonna hear, that's how a ton of people survive. I'm going to pre-mix mine five minutes before I leave into the wilderness. Nobody's finding me for at least 12 hours when my SN gets here.

 

[wayahead2030]

Why is ending yourself so fucking gruesome.

I wish a peaceful death was more accesible to people.

I suggest to go with the 48 hour fast regimen even though you don't have acces to the AE.
and take the dose suggested in that regimen.

taking an overly large dose won't do any good but thats my personal opinion. I'm no expert.

Make sure to prepare some extra cups in case you vomit too much.

Where can I find specifics on that regimen?

 

[notforl0ng]

Can you share any specifics on protocol? Any resources that I can look into?

Look for Vizzy's SN bible megathread. On the suicide discussion page, go to suicide resources and you should see it in the list. It tells you everything you need to know, the guy really did a ton of research for the rest of us.

Metaclopramide or a similar anti emetic regimen is necessary two or three days before you take the SN. Fast 12 hours beforehand. Take tylenol or ibuprofen about an hour beforehand. Around 45 minutes beforehand I'm going to take the last 7 clonazepam I have. Dissolve 25 grams of SN into as little water as possible, keep adding tiny amounts of water and stirring until it's completely dissolved. When you're ready to CTB drink the mixture and be prepared to stop yourself from throwing up. Your heart rate will speed up and you'll get anxiety. Lips, nail beds, etc. can turn blue as you're literally stopping your blood from supplying oxygen. You're going to be so out of it from oxygen deprivation that there's no pain. People who survived it don't remember it feeling particularly unpleasant. That's why I'm confident trying this method, the people who survived did it half assed or impulsively and that's why they didn't succeed. If you throw up, make sure to have a second and third glass of the same mixture prepared. If you're over 100kg (220lbs) you need to make the mixture about 30 grams of SN instead of 25 to be on the safer side.

Don't follow these exact instructions as that's just from what I remember. There are comprehensive guides on here on how to properly do it with the best chance of success. I know you say you need to go ASAP but it takes at least a few days of preparation to get it done. If you half ass it you're going to spend time in the psych ward and that doesn't help anybody who's suicidal on the face of this planet

 

[Henryk]

Can you share any specifics on protocol? Any resources that I can look into?

SN Bible Sodium Nitrite Method

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Thats true. To me SN is the most cormfotable way in my eyes to go.
I researched multiple other methods but all seem to scary or too hard.

SN seems the best method for me.. even though i cant acces benzo's to make it easier.

The best thing when it comes to deciding a method for yourself is to know your physical limits, what you can and can't handle and go from there. That's why some people can do sn while others cannot because of the symptoms or what they could look like after they've died, same for guns, same for just about every other method. Everything is psychological before physical, some people just cannot find it within themselves to feel comfortable with dealing with what comes with sn and that's absolutely fine.

Me too. I think an important reality to face is that a fairy tale, princess death where you're peacefully laying in bed with both arms folded isn't realistic. All you can do is minimize the suffering you yourself are going to go through. I think SN sounds extremely tame, you just need benzos or something to take the edge off and make sure you can't be found.

Even the most peaceful death has you making death rattles and horrifying sounds that anybody you live with is gonna hear, that's how a ton of people survive. I'm going to pre-mix mine five minutes before I leave into the wilderness. Nobody's finding me for at least 12 hours when my SN gets here.

Hit the nail on the head here.

 

[itsover090]

Does anyone know of more documented posts? I saw a woman who fell unconscious in 4 minutes, I don't know why there was such a difference

 

[notforl0ng]

Does anyone know of more documented posts? I saw a woman who fell unconscious in 4 minutes, I don't know why there was such a difference

I think it depends on weight, gender, drugs taken, the antiemetic, a lot of things. Everybody's different.

SS – Fatal Sodium Nitrite (SN / NaNO2) Attempts: Member Methods & Experiences

docs.google.com

This is a spreadsheet of suspected fatal doses. You have to take it with a grain of salt (pun intended) because it's the internet and people could easily be lying. The science is there to prove that it's fatal, though. The average time to pass out seems to be between 10 and 20 minutes. There's a spreadsheet made by the same person for failures, too, and most of them did it with no antiemetic or they did something stupid like walk outside their house to have a smoke right after taking it and collapsed.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I think it depends on weight, gender, drugs taken, the antiemetic, a lot of things. Everybody's different.

SS – Fatal Sodium Nitrite (SN / NaNO2) Attempts: Member Methods & Experiences

docs.google.com

This is a spreadsheet of suspected fatal doses. You have to take it with a grain of salt because it's the internet and people could easily be lying. The science is there to prove that it's fatal, though. The average time to pass out seems to be between 10 and 20 minutes.

I think people worry about the worst case scenario, such as some of the examples we've seen on the forum, and with good reason but that doesn't mean you should let whatever anxiety or fear there is conclude that exact same thing will happen to you, usually there's a reason why it went wrong and it's not too different from why it went wrong for someone else, sometimes people omit important details for whatever reason they decide to. It's natural since our psychology is looking for the easiest and fastest way to exit and even the slightest hint of a negative experience that ended makes us reluctant to even consider such a way but that doesn't mean it should be established as the consensus of the experience overall.

 

[4g1vvvven]

Do we have any idea what regimen/protocol has typically been most effective/peaceful?

The stat dose seems more appealing because it's simpler, I know there are a lot of sources people respect here: PPh, vizzys, stan, etc.

 

[notforl0ng]

I think people worry about the worst case scenario, such as some of the examples we've seen on forum, and with good reason but that doesn't mean you should let whatever anxiety or fear there is conclude that exact same thing will happen to you, usually there's a reason why it went wrong and it's not too different from why it went wrong for someone else, sometimes people omit important details for whatever reason they decide to.

Totally agree. Suicide is horrifying for everybody involved, 100% of the time. I figured heroin was the easiest way to go when I thought I couldn't find SN, but the odds of surviving even a lethal first time dose and waking up as a junkie sound worse than death to me. I can handle having a panic attack, being confused, and falling unconscious. I'm gonna throw my phone as far off into the snow as I possibly can before I take it. I'll be a 30-40 minute walk outside of town in the woods, late at night in the middle of winter. I think my odds are good. SI is the biggest factor for this method I think. I'm considering even tying a slipknot to a tree and having it around my neck when I start drinking it. Still lots of time to figure out exactly how it's gonna go down.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Very salty water imitates the taste of SN?

Well SN is salt, but very powerful salt. So I put three teaspoons of salt in a cup of water to see if I could even drink that. It actually thickened the water a little bit. I filled my mouth with it, and could only swallow a tiny bit before being very nauseous and spitting all the rest out. This was my test to see if SN was realistic for me. I failed so I changed methods. If I could not take a gulp of very salty water, there's no way I was getting SN down.

They said it was awful to watch but that it seemed like he was unconscious for most of the time. It was peaceful in his point of view but not for the people watching.

A few other comments said that dying isn't glamorous.
And that 30 min of discomfort is worth it and better than some other methods.

I understand that. And yes, they did say he looked unconscious or at least unaware after about 15 minutes. All that vomiting just sounds awful. But at the end of the day, he got what he wanted.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Do we have any idea what regimen/protocol has typically been most effective/peaceful?

The stat dose seems more appealing because it's simpler, I know there are a lot of sources people respect here: PPh, vizzys, stan, etc.

There's plenty of regimens here that have been used, for personal reasons, some had nothing on hand except sn while others had an assortment of meds to make it much easier but the most peaceful one, in my opinion, probably needs a benzo. It's difficult to establish which regimen is the best because we don't have feedback from those who have ctb how it worked for them and was it effective/peaceful because obviously can't give us an answer.

SI is the biggest factor for this method I think.

It is, a user who talked about her experience once told me:

"Dying is easy, it's the prepping for it that's hard, getting sn, mixing it and having a good regime is something that most people can do, but drinking it is really hard when you know what's going to happen next".

 

[CannabisMuncher]

Opinions? Is it a good method with AE?

i attempted with the SN method, and I ended up calling an ambulance because it is in no way painless, quick, or easy

So unless you are okay with vomiting, passing out and feeling immense pain and a sense of impending doom before you die, i wouldnt reccomend it

i attempted with the SN method, and I ended up calling an ambulance because it is in no way painless, quick, or easy

So unless you are okay with vomiting, passing out and feeling immense pain and a sense of impending doom before you die, i wouldnt reccomend it

Id also like to say, heart attacks. Painful asf. Anyone whos had one or seen someone have one would know.
SN is a form of sodium ( duh )
so the feeling of your heart stopping might cause panic, which isnt very preferable for some people planning on leaving this world

 

[Deleted member 65988]

i attempted with the SN method, and I ended up calling an ambulance because it is in no way painless, quick, or easy

So unless you are okay with vomiting, passing out and feeling immense pain and a sense of impending doom before you die, i wouldnt reccomend it

Id also like to say, heart attacks. Painful asf. Anyone whos had one or seen someone have one would know.
SN is a form of sodium ( duh )
so the feeling of your heart stopping might cause panic, which isnt very preferable for some people planning on leaving this world

What exactly happened with your attempt.

 

[notforl0ng]

i attempted with the SN method, and I ended up calling an ambulance because it is in no way painless, quick, or easy

So unless you are okay with vomiting, passing out and feeling immense pain and a sense of impending doom before you die, i wouldnt reccomend it

Id also like to say, heart attacks. Painful asf. Anyone whos had one or seen someone have one would know.
SN is a form of sodium ( duh )
so the feeling of your heart stopping might cause panic, which isnt very preferable for some people planning on leaving this world

Also curious to know. Most people I've seen that took SN and survived said they had a panic attack, heart beating out of their chest, loss of coordination, body shutting down, then unconsciousness. I guess everybody is different. Did you take the antiemetics and benzos beforehand? I think a big dose of something light like clonazepam (4mg or more) 45 minutes to an hour beforehand would do the trick. I could be in front of a speeding 18 wheeler and not care while on a lot of them.

 

[CannabisMuncher]

Also curious to know. Most people I've seen that took SN and survived said they had a panic attack, heart beating out of their chest, loss of coordination, body shutting down, then unconsciousness. I guess everybody is different. Did you take the antiemetics and benzos beforehand? I think a big dose of something light like clonazepam (4mg or more) 45 minutes to an hour beforehand would do the trick. I could be in front of a speeding 18 wheeler and not care while on a lot of them.

No i did not, i made the mixture and drank it without anything beforehand.
I did pass out before help came, and it was EXTREMELY horrifying before i did. And yes, I and many others have had panic attacks, which makes the pain alot worse.
Even if I did anything beforehand I feel scared to try it again.
Id rather die as painless as possible

 

[4g1vvvven]

No i did not, i made the mixture and drank it without anything beforehand.
I did pass out before help came, and it was EXTREMELY horrifying before i did. And yes, I and many others have had panic attacks, which makes the pain alot worse.
Even if I did anything beforehand I feel scared to try it again.
Id rather die as painless as possible

Do you think other viable methods would be less painful?

Taking SN by itself is surely part of the issue right? Many consider an AE essential and it seems a lot of others advise benzos and various other medications?

Sorry to hear about your experience, I appreciate you sharing

 

[Meditation guide]

i attempted with the SN method, and I ended up calling an ambulance because it is in no way painless, quick, or easy

So unless you are okay with vomiting, passing out and feeling immense pain and a sense of impending doom before you die, i wouldnt reccomend it

Id also like to say, heart attacks. Painful asf. Anyone whos had one or seen someone have one would know.
SN is a form of sodium ( duh )
so the feeling of your heart stopping might cause panic, which isnt very preferable for some people planning on leaving this world

I would like to read details of your experience, and how you felt, any weakness, how were you able to call for help, dizzy? headache? stomachache? or anything else, as well as time to loss of consciousness, hospital experience etc.

 

[CannabisMuncher]

Do you think other viable methods would be less painful?

Taking SN by itself is surely part of the issue right? Many consider an AE essential and it seems a lot of others advise benzos and various other medications?

Sorry to hear about your experience, I appreciate you sharing

Im honestly not sure. I havent tried other similar methods, and I havent commited to hanging yet ofc
though, as someone who has been choked out before, the set to unconsciousness was peaceful in my experience. Im not sure if hanging would be the same feeling or not though.

I would like to read details of your experience, and how you felt, any weakness, how were you able to call for help, dizzy? headache? stomachache? or anything else, as well as time to loss of consciousness, hospital experience etc.

Weakness and fatigue were there but not really too bad during my experience, but it was difficult to move my body right before i passed out, kinda like how sleep paralysis feels or locked in syndrome ( i assume anyway )
if that counts as weakness.
Not sure if it was due to anxiety or not, but my mouth tasted metallic, kind of like blood but not exactly. I didnt get very dizzy besides when i fainted.
As for my experience at the hospital, I dont remember too much, but it was a very average experience for poisoning. They drained it from my system and medicated me in the hospital. After all that, i didnt need any more medication when i got home. I cant recall exactly what they used but im sure google will tell you what doctors usually use.
It was a similar experience to when i swallowed toxic chemicals when i was younger. same kind of trip. It wasnt a bad experience, the nurses were sweethearts.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Weakness and fatigue were there but not really too bad during my experience, but it was difficult to move my body right before i passed out, kinda like how sleep paralysis feels or locked in syndrome ( i assume anyway )
if that counts as weakness.
Not sure if it was due to anxiety or not, but my mouth tasted metallic, kind of like blood but not exactly. I didnt get very dizzy besides when i fainted.

It really doesn't sound as bad as I thought it would. If it wasn't really too bad from experience then it's quite within line of what to expect from this method. Your mouth tasting metallic could've been due to the taste itself or lactic acidosis, otherwise maybe that was just an individual reaction on your part.

As for my experience at the hospital, I dont remember too much, but it was a very average experience for poisoning. They drained it from my system and medicated me in the hospital.

Do you remember how much you took, what your regimen and preparation was beforehand, was it impulsive, did you fast long enough, did you make sure it was sn because as much I did mention the taste or lactic acidosis, the metallic taste is the first I'm hearing of it.

It was a similar experience to when i swallowed toxic chemicals when i was younger. same kind of trip. It wasnt a bad experience, the nurses were sweethearts.

what wasn't a bad experience, was it the treatment itself or the fact that it was a similar experience to when you took toxic chemicals when you were younger?

I did pass out before help came, and it was EXTREMELY horrifying before i did

How so was it extremely horrifying, was it the general weakness in your body or was it the fast heart rate?

Taking SN by itself is surely part of the issue right? Many consider an AE essential and it seems a lot of others advise benzos and various other medications?

Yeah it's been generally advised not to take it but sometimes, people don't have the option of getting the meds that are recommended but even taking sn alone is way more of a risk if you take it with anything to help. benzos are advised because everyone's individually response will be different to the symptoms considering some have never had tachycardia before or dealt with any of the other symptoms, considering this, following the regimen works and choosing to just take sn by itself is a massive risk in of itself. We've seen more experiences that weren't this bad in comparison because meds were taken prior as instructed. If anything, this should serve as a reminder to take sn with meds or possibly consider some other method.

Thanks for sharing this @CannabisMuncher and I'm really sorry you suffered the way you did.

 

[AnonymousL]

Well SN is salt, but very powerful salt. So I put three teaspoons of salt in a cup of water to see if I could even drink that. It actually thickened the water a little bit. I filled my mouth with it, and could only swallow a tiny bit before being very nauseous and spitting all the rest out. This was my test to see if SN was realistic for me. I failed so I changed methods. If I could not take a gulp of very salty water, there's no way I was getting SN down.

Well.. I already got the SN and I don't see myself going for any other method so I should try the salty water and hope for the best I guess...

I think if I do it in a moment where I feel really depressed and down it should work..

i attempted with the SN method, and I ended up calling an ambulance because it is in no way painless, quick, or easy

Well.. that doesn't sound good.

It's the only method that I see myself doing other than overdosing on meds I have here but that doesn't seem peaceful either.

 

[walkingdead2023]

I think that sn is a relatively peaceful method. Yes, there's still bad aspects to it that people have pointed out here but it's far better than the other methods available. It sounds better than jumping, hanging, drowning, gunshot etc. Even with the drawbacks of sn, it's still relatively peaceful

Gunshot is more peaceful than sn you die in a minute but with sn I heard so many stories about vomiting feces and dark blue skin they also said it take hours to finally die with sn not :0 minutes.. it's all here and in the news.. with the gunshot it's messy for first responders but you don't feel anything. I just need the courage to do it. I actually saw some images of diseased persons after sn they look creepy with mouth open and blue dark skin so it will traumatize those who find you too.. none looks nice after they die I can't even imagine…

 

[Argo]

I really don't think one has to be neurotic to find waiting 15 minutes to die to be terrible.

You're right that someone doesn't have to be highly neurotic to find death disturbing, but that is not what I meant. My comment wasn't about run-of-the-mill death anxiety, just that those who are extra uneasy and on the high end of the panic spectrum, "Wait around to die" methods do not seem as compatible

 

[bunny_brownie9]

my method of choice and some things do put me off like being conscious for 10-20 minutes after ingesting & sitting there knowing what's going to happen etc.. but I like how my body will be in one piece and I can do it somewhere a bit more private.

When I think about the consciousness thing, I try to reassure myself that any discomfort/pain/anything else is temporary and just part of the process in achieving eternal peace :)

I probably should order some more just in case as I worry that it could be unobtainable in the uk at some point…

 

[Deleted member 65988]

with sn I heard so many stories about vomiting feces and dark blue skin they also said it take hours to finally die with sn

Ok but we don't have information on those to conclude if they even followed the regimen correctly, also feces after death happens sometimes as the body's muscles relax. So Vomiting feces, if that is what you meant, makes absolutely no sense and blue or gunmetal Grey is cyanosis, fairly normal unless you care about what you'll like after your dead. Also, for those that took hours to die, those are such an exception to the rule and nor established as what will typically happen when you take sn. I think you've made the mistake of using those exceptions as the consensus as to what will happen with this method.

. I actually saw some images of diseased persons after sn they look creepy with mouth open and blue dark skin so it will traumatize those who find you too.. none looks nice after they die I can't even imagine…

I mean, what the heck else did you expect, that they'd look all pretty holding a bouquet of flowers after falling asleep into oblivion? Very few people look good after death anyway.