Method Nitrous oxide as a method?

[Intoxicated]

Wrong thread??? I was just playing COD mobile though. But yeah what's the thread you meant to reply to? lol

I think, in that context, its intended meaning is "cause of death", not "Call of Duty" )

 

[OzymandiAsh]

I think, in that context, its intended meaning is "cause of death", not "Call of Duty" )

Oooohhhhh. Lmao. Second brain fart.

 

[OzymandiAsh]

Any thoughts on combining nitrous oxide with an opioid OD (codeine in my case) and maybe some alcohol? I will likely do the OD either alongside or just before going with nitrous, if only because I want to know how it feels. I will be taking some meto beforehand.

 

[sm1the]

Answered my second question by testing the cylinder by directly taking the nitrous into my mouth from the slightly opened valve and nozzle.

No noted negative effects. I can immediately see why people like it. I guess socially it could be conducive to a good laugh in some ways, but personally I just feel a bit of dissociation, detachment from my body and relief, mainly.
It does make me feel a bit faint even at lower amounts, so I can see this working and can see myself going unconscious at higher amounts.
Feels light, and like release.

No serious negative effects on my skin, lips and mouth, but I turned the discharge nozzle only slightly to release a small amount of gas at a small pressure, then turned it back and closed it when I was done. I do not recommend doing this if you are an idiot who cannot keep the pressure down, because more pressure can easily fuck up your skin, teeth, lungs and so on. But at a small amount of pressure, it's not extremely cold, and has a slightly metallic or icy taste reminiscent of whipped cream cans and dental appointments where they spray that high pressured air (or nitrous idk which) all around your mouth.

Hell yeah. Might have to buy another cylinder just so I can waste one getting high and pushing the boundary before I CTB (hopefully within a couple months time).

I'm really surprised you didn't find it unbearably cold when u tried gas directly in the mouth.I thought this would have caused frostbite,at least localised.
I'm looking at filling the bag while wearing it(to minimize air contamination as opposed to fill and wear)and this is what is stopping me(extreme cold).
I'm just trying to be completely sure that it's tolerable(or not) before choosing this.

 

[sm1the]

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That was said in a different context. When the bag is properly sealed, you can eventually use up the residual oxygen to the point when its concentration will no longer be sufficient for maintaining life. In particular, breathing a gas mixture containing less than 6% O₂ at normal atmospheric pressure is fatal in a few minutes - see

Oxygen Deficiency Hazards and Asphyxiation

ehs.lbl.gov

25 - 30% air corresponds to ~5.2 - 6.3% O₂ (assuming that air contains 20.9% O₂) with ~19.8 - 23.7% N₂ & other gases.

The wonderful story about the survivor implies that the concentration of oxygen was sufficient for maintaining life in that case. In order to keep someone alive and sedated with N₂O, a constant supply of O₂ and N₂O is required (after administration of N₂O is stopped, its sedative effect wears off in a matter of minutes). A possibility of passing out for days from a reasonable amount of nitrous that could be used for a real CTB attempt seems rather unlikely.

For closed system,wouldn't adding an elastic cord to the bag(like exit b) be a good idea to reduce air contamination?-
When bringing the bag down to neck,the elastic ensures it hugs your head while coming down.
I'm guessing the gas filled bag would still need to be clenched shut/sealed after filling(before wearing) as the elastic won't seal the bag opening without head but once it stretches around the head it should.
I would still insert bag sideways.and zip tie.
This gives u an extra hand zip tie as u don't need to hold the bag sealed while u zip tie.

Do u think this is unnecessary or good value added step?

 

[OzymandiAsh]

I'm really surprised you didn't find it unbearably cold when u tried gas directly in the mouth.I thought this would have caused frostbite,at least localised.
I'm looking at filling the bag while wearing it(to minimize air contamination as opposed to fill and wear)and this is what is stopping me(extreme cold).
I'm just trying to be completely sure that it's tolerable(or not) before choosing this.

My teeth are sensitive so if it was cold I would know about it. Nah it wasn't that cold, so as Intoxicated suggested earlier in his signature sexy sarcastic style, you don't need to worry about frostbite unless you are in a very cold environment or whatever. Or unless (as I said earlier) you are dumb and cannot keep the pressure of the release somewhat controlled and low, because at very high pressures it can get cold. But other than that you can disregard the frostbite warning given by AI chatbots, lol, I've never heard of anyone getting frostbite from using nitrous. It didn't make the rest of my body feel cold either.

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For closed system,wouldn't adding an elastic cord to the bag(like exit b) be a good idea to reduce air contamination?-
When bringing the bag down to neck,the elastic ensures it hugs your head while coming down.
I'm guessing the gas filled bag would still need to be clenched shut/sealed after filling(before wearing) as the elastic won't seal the bag opening without head but once it stretches around the head it should.
I would still insert bag sideways.and zip tie.
This gives u an extra hand zip tie as u don't need to hold the bag sealed while u zip tie.

Do u think this is unnecessary or good value added step?

A classic rubber band will do.

That plan may require holding breath for the period of filling the bag and for the period of sealing it. If it's OK for you, then it could work.

This sounds like a good idea in any case tbh, a good breath hold just before inhaling the gas would make the first couple of inhales massive, then its lights out.

Not necessarily talking about hyperventilation, just a breath hold. Although I'm unsure what would work better, holding breath until bag is sealed around head, then exhaling and inhaling in bag, or, holding breath, exhaling as much 'air'/CO2 as possible just before sealing bag over head, then deep inhaling after bag is sealed. Probably the second I guess.

 

[sm1the]

My teeth are sensitive so if it was cold I would know about it. Nah it wasn't that cold, so as Intoxicated suggested earlier in his signature sexy sarcastic style, you don't need to worry about frostbite unless you are in a very cold environment or whatever. Or unless (as I said earlier) you are dumb and cannot keep the pressure of the release somewhat controlled and low, because at very high pressures it can get cold. But other than that you can disregard the frostbite warning given by AI chatbots, lol, I've never heard of anyone getting frostbite from using nitrous. It didn't make the rest of my body feel cold either.


A classic rubber band will do.

This sounds like a good idea in any case tbh, a good breath hold just before inhaling the gas would make the first couple of inhales massive, then its lights out.

Not necessarily talking about hyperventilation, just a breath hold. Although I'm unsure what would work better, holding breath until bag is sealed around head, then exhaling and inhaling in bag, or, holding breath, exhaling as much 'air'/CO2 as possible just before sealing bag over head, then deep inhaling after bag is sealed. Probably the second I guess.

Ai is extremely unreliable for things like this I've found.I don't utilize it for these things usually.
Filling with gas while wearing is what I think would have the least air contamination. Questions on cold were stopping me entertaining this way,If it's tolerable then that's great.

 

[OzymandiAsh]

Ai is extremely unreliable for things like this I've found.I don't utilize it for these things usually.
Filling with gas while wearing is what I think would have the least air contamination. Questions on cold were stopping me entertaining this way,If it's tolerable then that's great.

AI was the only thing that warned me about frostbite so I assumed others here who were concerned about it might have gotten their concern from the same place. Nevermind.

Yes, in fact if you can fill the bag with nitrous while it is still flat, that's even less air. Like when you buy a roll of black bin bags, and take one while it is still flat, seal the opening around the forehead, and fill it up at the seal, before bringing it down to cover the rest of the head. Like an inflated balloon hat. Then I will exhale the air from my lungs, bring the seal (rubber band and bag opening) down to my neck, and take a huge inhale. That's an idea I've borrowed from someone here, should mean even less air getting in.

Putting the bag over the head by lowering it is probably not the best approach, since N₂O (especially when it's cold after evaporation of its liquid form) is denser than air and tends to flow downward at a direct contact with air (while the air will rise, displacing nitrous oxide above it). If the head is tilted so that the bag can be lifted towards the neck or at least moved horizontally, this should reduce the amount of air entered inside. As long as the percent of air doesn't exceed 25 - 30%, it shouldn't cause complications.

It was found that anaesthesia can be obtained with mixtures of nitrous oxide and air, provided the latter does not exceed 30 per cent. With 33⅓ per cent Hewitt failed to induce complete unconsciousness. With small percentages of air the symptoms were practically identical with those produced by the pure gas. The greater the proportion of air, the longer was the inhalation period before symptoms of anaesthesia appeared. Thus with 3 per cent and 5 per cent of air the average inhalation period was 69 secs.; with 30 per cent of air it was 148 secs.

It is an interesting fact that there was more anoxaemic convulsion with 3 and 5 per cent of air than with pure nitrous oxide, the explanation being that, in the absence of all oxygen, obstructive stertor comes about so quickly as to cut short the intake of the anaesthetic gas before the blood has become sufficiently altered to induce any marked convulsive seizure. With higher percentages of air the anoxaemic muscular phenomena progressively lessened, disappearing altogether with 30 per cent of air. With moderate percentages of air the clonic movements were but feebly marked.

The time to LOC is less than the time needed to produce anesthesia (basically a comatose state) mentioned above. In case of inhaling pure nitrous oxide through a mask,

The time which elapses between the commencement of the inhalation and loss of full consciousness is extremely short, about twenty to thirty seconds on the average.

This man succeeded with a relatively small bag (filled with helium)

Asphyxial Suicide by Inhalation of Helium Inside a Plastic Bag | 10.1097/paf.0b013e31815b4c69_Science Hub

tesble.com

By using a large bag (with a large amount of the gas) you extend the limit on the absolute amount of air that can enter inside and form a permissible proportion to N₂O, without critical impact on the effectiveness of asphyxiation.


As I said above, nitrous oxide is denser than air, and this feature should be taken into account when choosing the orientation of the bag and its relative position to the head.

That being said, I am still trying to wrap my head around this (so to speak), so I might incorporate some kind of tilting or whatever. I'm having trouble picturing it though. Ideally I'd like to asphyxiate while lying down in bed, so that's something I'll have to figure out. Possibly I could seal the bag horizontally around my face (rubber band stretching between just under the chin and somewhere near the middle of my scalp), inflate, and bring it down to cover the whole head (rubber band either just above or below the ears, and still under the chin).

 

[sm1the]

AI was the only thing that warned me about frostbite so I assumed others here who were concerned about it might have gotten their concern from the same place. Nevermind.

Yes, in fact if you can fill the bag with nitrous while it is still flat, that's even less air. Like when you buy a roll of black bin bags, and take one while it is still flat, seal the opening around the forehead, and fill it up at the seal, before bringing it down to cover the rest of the head. Like an inflated balloon hat. Then I will exhale the air from my lungs, bring the seal (rubber band and bag opening) down to my neck, and take a huge inhale. That's an idea I've borrowed from someone here, should mean even less air getting in.


That being said, I am still trying to wrap my head around this (so to speak), so I might incorporate some kind of tilting or whatever. I'm having trouble picturing it though. Ideally I'd like to asphyxiate while lying down in bed, so that's something I'll have to figure out. Possibly I could seal the bag horizontally around my face (rubber band stretching between just under the chin and somewhere near the middle of my scalp), inflate, and bring it down to cover the whole head (rubber band either just above or below the ears, and still under the chin).

I was only speaking on my experience of course and the models I tried.
What you described about bag etc,have u actually tried this?. If I did this(bag,rubber band) I fear I might fumble it up,especially during anxiety of the moment.That's another reason I was thinking of adding elastic.