Discussion New Law for UK on Encouraging Self Harm

[PaxAmerica]

''Encouraging self-harm online will be criminalised under proposals being put to UK ministers.''

What will be deemed encouraging? Could it impact our SS website in UK if it stops genuine discussion?

 

[daydream]

New law where? Google says UK. Should only affect UK residents if it goes through, the website will still be here and viewable assuming it's not hosted there.

 

[PaxAmerica]

New law where? Google says UK. Should only affect UK residents if it goes through, the website will still be here and viewable assuming it's not hosted there.

Good point. But im sure it will be picked up around the world. But ammended post. Thanx

 

[time4sleep]

Do you think that just being a UK resident and posting here would be a criminal offence?

 

[EraseRewind]

I'm starting to feel that accessing this site and posting anything relating to ctb will be viewed as possible encouragement. The uk is now bringing in some strange post COVID rules and I expect there will be some new laws soon relating to online activities. Just my opinion as someone who reside in the uk.

 

[Bedrock48]

The uk has brought out some bizzare proposals recently. From trying journalists like spies, to further privatising the NHS and now this? Scary times we're living in.

If it just relates to people bullying others telling them to ctb or hurt themselves then sure but who has the jurisdiction to decide what counts as encouragement.

 

[ClairyFairy]

Do you think that just being a UK resident and posting here would be a criminal offence?

How can it but I wonder how encouragement would be defined. Surely it would also depend on how the other person in the conversation took said "encouragement" for me one of the most therapeutic parts of this site is being able to talk about my feelings in the exact way I want with who I want when I want. I don't think I've encouraged or been encouraged. I think I've seen things that could be prosecuted under these laws probably but if I'd have summoned every ounce of strength to finally follow through and people were discouraging me telling me not to I'd be pretty pissed off. I don't know how a law like that would even be prosecuted
It's appeasing people sense of righteousness but not much else I reckon

 

[Pure]

The uk has brought out some bizzare proposals recently. From trying journalists like spies, to further privatising the NHS and now this? Scary times we're living in.

If it just relates to people bullying others telling them to ctb or hurt themselves then sure but who has the jurisdiction to decide what counts as encouragement.

Yeah a certain group of people have managed to convince everyone that this website and its users are inherently encouraging each other

At worst I can imagine this website being blocked in the UK but since the site owner and servers are in America so I don't think it'll be taken down unless laws here change??

 

[time4sleep]

How can it but I wonder how encouragement would be defined. Surely it would also depend on how the other person in the conversation took said "encouragement" for me one of the most therapeutic parts of this site is being able to talk about my feelings in the exact way I want with who I want when I want. I don't think I've encouraged or been encouraged. I think I've seen things that could be prosecuted under these laws probably but if I'd have summoned every ounce of strength to finally follow through and people were discouraging me telling me not to I'd be pretty pissed off. I don't know how a law like that would even be prosecuted
It's appeasing people sense of righteousness but not much else I reckon

I've never once been encouraged on here, albeit I've only been on here a few days but I've lurked in the past and haven't seen it at all.

This place is a real sanctuary for me and I wrote to one of the site admins to thank them for allowing me in here.

I've not really given all the details of my story and think it is best for PM, but without the love of my life, I will be dying. That much is set in stone. Without the folks on here this past few days, I'd be dead already.

 

[Symbiote]

If they allowed this, then I should be put in jail for telling grandma safe travels and peace when doctors pull the plug for "encouraging" her to die. A stupid law that has no precedence in this community because we don't encourage. Just another scare tactic fed by lies and misinformation by FT26 and sucking Richard Burgon's dick so that he can willfully attempt to pass it.

 

[PaxAmerica]

Hope they dont try to use a law to prevent genuine discussion

 

[Rhaiyne]

Oh man... this is just terrible news.
I'm guessing they will use that we don't try to stop anyone and that we wish them well on their journey. They will say that we give ideas without realising that most of us already know what we want and how.
It must be scary to not have our depth of understanding and normies generally react out of fear rather than respond.
I guess... i don't fully understand them from an emotional level.

Hope they dont try to use a law to prevent genuine discussion

I find this to be genuine discussion. Such raw truth being shared here and this is what they want to stop.

 

[ClairyFairy]

I've had loads of interventions this week because I mentioned being on here. I explained that it's somewhere I can be really open and nobody bats an eyelid. I also said I go on the chat because you've helped me in there when I've been at crisis point.

I want to write this in capital letters but I hate being aggressive: The only time I've seen someone encouraged and pushed into thinking death was the only way out was @Rue89 jojoyoyo's family tracked her, hounded her, outed her and murdered her! For some innocuous comment she made trying to make someone feel better in their last minutes. That's who I'm afraid of and they're glad of my fear. The majority of us are people who have been damaged beyond recognition by other people. I'm not a Saint but I'm not a murderer either. Can these people trying to push for our extinction say the same? Not truthfully

 

[Symbiote]

Speaking of encouraging someone to kill themselves, FT26 has openly advocated for my death for the longest time for even dare questioning their parenting abilities. They have also advocated the death of others as well so if this law was ever passed, which most likely won't, then they are also liable to being incarcerated as well.

 

[ClairyFairy]

Speaking of encouraging someone to kill themselves, FT26 has openly advocated for my death for the longest time for even dare questioning their parenting abilities. They have also advocated the death of others as well so if this law was ever passed, which most likely won't, then they are also liable to being incarcerated as well.

I'm sorry to hear that. I think if they came for me I'd let them have me. I don't want to say anything about strength and weakness because I don't want to downplay the lives lost because of their hounding. I only know I wouldn't still be here if they came for me

 

[puritysokol]

I hate this country. Government has tripled tuition fees, gutted mental health services and fucked up Brexit talks, generally making life hellish for young people, and then they wonder why we're mentally ill and want to fucking die.

 

[Pure]

I've had loads of interventions this week because I mentioned being on here. I explained that it's somewhere I can be really open and nobody bats an eyelid. I also said I go on the chat because you've helped me in there when I've been at crisis point.

I want to write this in capital letters but I hate being aggressive: The only time I've seen someone encouraged and pushed into thinking death was the only way out was @Rue89 jojoyoyo's family tracked her, hounded her, outed her and murdered her! For some innocuous comment she made trying to make someone feel better in their last minutes. That's who I'm afraid of and they're glad of my fear. The majority of us are people who have been damaged beyond recognition by other people. I'm not a Saint but I'm not a murderer either. Can these people trying to push for our extinction say the same? Not truthfully

Speaking of encouraging someone to kill themselves, FT26 has openly advocated for my death for the longest time for even dare questioning their parenting abilities. They have also advocated the death of others as well so if this law was ever passed, which most likely won't, then they are also liable to being incarcerated as well.

To this day, their hypocrisy astounds me. Their adult children were perfectly innocent while everyone here are just serial killers and murderers who should be jailed or killed.

They have zero cares about improving mental health issues and everything they're doing is just lashing out for the choice their child made.

Don't forget one of the mothers openly celebrated how Rue died and said she hoped she was in pain and scared.

I'm more afraid of those people doxxing me and ruining my life far more than anyone on SS even the vultures that hang around

 

[time4sleep]

I've had loads of interventions this week because I mentioned being on here. I explained that it's somewhere I can be really open and nobody bats an eyelid. I also said I go on the chat because you've helped me in there when I've been at crisis point.

I want to write this in capital letters but I hate being aggressive: The only time I've seen someone encouraged and pushed into thinking death was the only way out was @Rue89 jojoyoyo's family tracked her, hounded her, outed her and murdered her! For some innocuous comment she made trying to make someone feel better in their last minutes. That's who I'm afraid of and they're glad of my fear. The majority of us are people who have been damaged beyond recognition by other people. I'm not a Saint but I'm not a murderer either. Can these people trying to push for our extinction say the same? Not truthfully

I know nothing about this and feel perhaps that is a good thing. I can't imagine how scared Rue89 would have been :(

 

[PaxAmerica]

I know nothing about this and feel perhaps that is a good thing. I can't imagine how scared Rue89 would have been :(

I have no issue with it being applied to people who actually push others to harm. But will it be used liberally against simple free speech and not encouragement? Its a deep question for sure. I like the discussions on SS and it helps me rationalise better than when I have only myself and no outlet or support.

 

[Soulless Angel]

Not read all the thread, but I started a thread on self harm...supportive, would it be classed as encouragement, I am the UK and personally don't give a shit on their laws, Ill do as I wish best for this so called life in this world if that means speaking to others about self harm then ill do it.
Seen as encouragement? Arrest me, waste your resources, let me be an example of what a stupid fucking country we live in!

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/self-harm-thread.57547/

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

By that logic, we should have coppers posted outside every pub and shop, arresting binge drinkers and alcoholics since they are by definition engaging in self harm via drug use.

This country has an esoteric drinking culture where engaging in endless alcoholism is encouraged and celebrated. The longterm health of millions is ruined by drink. Yet, where are the parliamentary motions to ban vodka and whiskey from being sold in shops?

They love to pick and choose what constitutes as self injurious. People venting on a forum is definitely the reason why suicides have increased, definitely not the abhorrent job prospects, bust housing market, and lack of social care and support for those in need.

Then again, this is the same government who recently introduced anti-protest legislation and covid vaccine passports for young people wanting to party in nightclubs.

Starting in September, you are not allowed to provide a negative test result or proof of covid antibodies to enter a club, you must have proof of being double jabbed, and it must be documented on the NHS app.

This proves that the government does not a damn about vunerable people, if they did, proof of a negative test result would suffice in order to protect people who have been advised not to take the vaccines.

All they care about is power and control, and this is no different. The article in question purports that these measures are to suppress bullying. In theory, that's wonderful.

In practice, these draconian rules will likely be used to crack down on pro-choice spaces like SS where users can freely speak their minds about the pain they are going through without being censored or force fed platitudes.

Of course, most citizens are going to eat it up because they support authoritarian measures if they are introduced under the guise of keeping people safe. No one cares about seeing the facts and data.

The reality is the vast majority of users on this site will not ctb. However, spindoctors will use an emotionally charged headline to create a false narrative that this place is some sort of death cult rather than a beacon of support for those who truly have no where else to go.

Shame on them.

 

[Hattywacky]

By that logic, we should have coppers posted outside every pub and shop, arresting binge drinkers and alcoholics since they are by definition engaging in self harm via drug use.

This country has an esoteric drinking culture where engaging in endless alcoholism is encouraged and celebrated. The longterm health of millions is ruined by drink. Yet, where are the parliamentary motions to ban vodka and whiskey from being sold in shops?

Agreed, freshers week at uni is group self harm on mass, is actively encouraged and profit is made. And yet nobody complains. From Booze cruises to after work drinks, all normalised and encouraged you'd be the odd one out for not joining in.
https://s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/...mmunications-Offences-2021-Law-Com-No-399.pdf
Chapter 7 pg 195 is the relevant chapters, its not too awful, but the part about substance abuse does wind me up considering our drinking culture .