Never give up is dumbest thing I've ever heard

[deathproof17]

People who have a shit life, nothing to live for or look forward are expected to never give up. Are you kidding me?? Rather off myself than have to spend decades hooked on strong drugs in order to function on a basic level.

 

[CatLvr]

I agree with you but for a different reason. CTB is not giving up -- it is taking a different path than the one I'm currently on. It is a CHOICE, not a failure, I don't care what the other side has to say about it. Let them walk a mile or so in my shoes and get back with me.

 

[Grimscribe]

It is only seen as "giving up" by people who never did any research on the topic nor suffered from it. CTBing requires a lot of courage and strongwill.

 

[KillingPain267]

Totally agree. At some point we simply have to accept defeat.

 

[lostintheloop]

Yes sometimes knowing when to let go takes strength yet people see it as weak option

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

I gave up just out of spite for those people XD

 

[affirmatice]

It's a narrow view point that doesn't apply to many people in this position.

Never give up implies there is some sort of end goal to reach. Right? Well the reason many of us are here, is because we don't see an end goal.

If you told me that I could regain what I had lost (literally impossible), but if you told me that I could, I would gladly stay. But that's not possible.

So what am I suppose to do then? Just suffer and work hard? I can proudly say that's exactly what I've done for the last 5 years.

I now make top 1% income. I moved to one of the best cities in the world. I got a girlfriend. Guess what, the original reason I became depressed is still the reason I'm depressed. Working my ass off despite my suffering has brought me objectively good things. But it really doesn't matter at all because I'm still severely depressed.

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

Never give up can work, but only in cases where someone lives a happy and a normal life. Of course it is possible to follow an advice like this if you are a person like that.

However, what I do not like is when phrases like these are generalized and then offered to people in situations in which they could not possibly be followed as advice. And on top of that, words like these are offered by exactly the kind of people who do not understand or cannot imagine another person's horrible situation because they themselves are living a happy and a relatively comfortable life.

Yes, someone with a smile on their face can easily say to others never to give up, and no doubt would it work for them. But I would like to see such a person following their own advice if they got a horrible, everlasting and an unsolvable problem making their life unbearable every day.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I also don't understand that phrase at all. What's wrong with me giving up? I don't see why I should have to fight in the first place. Life is just a pointless, futile struggle all for us to die anyway so what's the point in fighting and being resilient when all there is in life is suffering and hardship? Of course people end up using that phrase since they've been indoctrinated to via lots of movies and shows that display people always being resilient but, fuck, it's just so pointless.

 

[SA1994EC]

"They shoot horses, don't they?"
When your beloved horses got injured and there is no way to save them, you shoot the horses to put them out of misery. Why do people blame us to do the same to ourselves?

 

[Forever Sleep]

At what though? How many people are following their dreams? How many are truly happy with their lives? How many are just stuck in a rut? Isn't that 'giving up'? They don't want to pursue what they really want a lot of the time- because it's so risky. Because- in taking that chance, they take on the (possibly high) probability of catastrophic failure and making their lives much worse.

What they don't seem to acknowledge is- someone truly suffering in life suffers everyday. Not giving up on that suffering likely just means more suffering for them!

Would they truly 'never give up' on something that invites in a whole lot more suffering? Chances are- they may well have already. If they had aspirations to do any other job than the one they're doing- they gave up. If they're not with the person they had a huge crush on- they gave up. If they're reliant on drugs, media, whatever other crutch to get them through life- they're not exactly committing themselves. Why would they though? If they know it would result in failure? Suicidal people don't always feel committed to 'recovery' if they also feel sure it will result in failure.

Realistically too- someone already battling things like depresssion and anhedonia- they're already at a set back compared to others because they very likely don't even have so many things in life they actually want now. You need to place value on something to feel the need to hold on to it or, fight for it.

 

[antony]

They want to see us suffer. Thank God got the N.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I'll Never give up in trying to kill myself

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand as personally I'd always prefer to not exist, I just wouldn't wish to exist under any circumstances and I find it so cruel how there's no acceptance towards the personal choice of preferring to not exist, for me suicide would be suffering prevention in an existence I never would have wished for that I never would have chosen. I'd always prefer to die no matter what than suffer for the sake of it just to be tortured by old age and cease existing anyway in an existence where there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel.

Personally I see no benefit and no point to existence but rather I see it as a burden to exist that was completely unnecessary and futile, I wish this existence was never imposed more than anything. To me existence will always be an imposition that just causes endless amounts of suffering, I just want to die in peace and forget about it all, non-existence would solve everything for me.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

They want to see us suffer. Thank God got the N.

Where/how did you get N?

 

[antony]

Where/how did you get N?

Cant disclose any info. SS rules.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

To me, giving up is not taking that choice when you have it and continuing to live with an existence that has zero chance of getting better. Especially in today's very narrow minded and self serving society. Most of us are better off dead anyways rather than being a slave to our own or others desires with only the thinnest illusions of personal freedom. That's not a life. That's being an object.

 

[pariah80]

Yeah. This is usually said by people who have a relatively comfortable position in this life. It's said without any context nor perspective. People feel that the meaning of their own existence is being threatened when they sense that someone may be getting the idea of catching the bus. Therefore, they break out the old motivational platitudes to try and 'solve' the problem. People really don't grasp that, sometimes, life itself is the problem. People who think about suicide aren't always in mental distress as much as they are in a simple existential quagmire. They're not happy with the direction of their life or something with life. Therefore, the only way out is to leave it. People, particularly in western society, see life as worth living and that it's a blessing. They also see it as some 'test of strength.' You HAVE TO stand up to the abuse of life to prove to finite humans and their made-up value system how strong you are.

I'll never understand the endurance test that humans have made life into. However, if all I have to gain from showing how much abuse I can take from life are scars and trauma, then it's not worth it. It's literally a net negative.

To me, giving up is not taking that choice when you have it and continuing to live with an existence that has zero chance of getting better. Especially in today's very narrow minded and self serving society. Most of us are better off dead anyways rather than being a slave to our own or others desires with only the thinnest illusions of personal freedom. That's not a life. That's being an object.

"It was not the truth they wanted, but an illusion they could bear to live with."

- Anais Nin

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Cant disclose any info. SS rules.

Not asking for sources or any exact info. Just curious if you were one of the lucky ones who had it delivered to you when it was still available or if you traveled for it recently.

People, particularly in western society, see life as worth living and that it's a blessing. They also see it as some 'test of strength.' You HAVE TO stand up to the abuse of life to prove to finite humans and their made-up value system how strong you are.

Western society in particular is very influenced by christianity. Christianity is all about suffering. So it's basically "how dare you end your suffering yourself, only god can do it".

 

[antony]

Not asking for sources or any exact info. Just curious if you were one of the lucky ones who had it delivered to you when it was still available or if you traveled for it recently.

I traveled recently, as some of the guys here but they keep their mouth closed.

 

[sanction]

People who have a shit life, nothing to live for or look forward are expected to never give up. Are you kidding me?? Rather off myself than have to spend decades hooked on strong drugs in order to function on a basic level.

Agreed

So basically every single one of us are guaranteed to die in the end no matter what

But yet the #1 goal in life is to never give up on trying to live as if you'll never die

Then before dying, we are first expected to work our asses off non-stop for many decades straight

And if you don't want to go through this pointless process first before dying, then you are considered to have mental illness

The level of stupidity of this is truly in another dimension

 

[TAW122]

Yeah, I've heard of such cliche statements (including the one in this thread title) and it is rather infuriating and trite when I hear about it. It is oftenly said by motivational speakers and those who just want to encourage people to keep fighting/pursuing whatever they are going for. I often ignore such platitudes in real life and often don't give it a second thought except to think about how ignorant and trite the speaker may be whenever they spew that.

 

[sanction]

Imagine this conversation:

Person 1: wait, you're going to die?? Please don't give up

Person 2: but aren't we going to die in the end either way? Including you???

Person 1: correct. But still don't give up

Person 2: give up on what???

Person 1: give up, so you can then go die

Person 2: ............ do you even know what the fuck you are talking about??? Lol

 

[Hunter2005]

People who have a shit life, nothing to live for or look forward are expected to never give up. Are you kidding me?? Rather off myself than have to spend decades hooked on strong drugs in order to function on a basic level.

People really think they get a trophy for participating in this shit

 

[Lost Magic]

 

[L'absent]

I'm not depressed, I'm just bored by this talk. Well, I'm bored with everything that life is made up of to be honest. What sentence is that? Don't give up on what? They are ridiculous! There is no man in revolt, there is no Sisyphus who has to carry a burden on his shoulders. There isn't even an Übermensch. Or if there is an Übermensch, it is an Übermensch of irony. Making fun of life with all its absurdities, living with detachment. We don't give here to satisfy our ego, we are just laughingstocks of biology. A biology that exists because the conditions were there for it to exist. In the end biology doesn't even think and it will become extinct too. Those who say "never give up" should take lots of chamomile tea and stay on the sofa waiting for the inevitable. There are no failed people. Everything is failure in the world.

 

[squidsponge]

It's a narrow view point that doesn't apply to many people in this position.

Never give up implies there is some sort of end goal to reach. Right? Well the reason many of us are here, is because we don't see an end goal.

If you told me that I could regain what I had lost (literally impossible), but if you told me that I could, I would gladly stay. But that's not possible.

So what am I suppose to do then? Just suffer and work hard? I can proudly say that's exactly what I've done for the last 5 years.

I now make top 1% income. I moved to one of the best cities in the world. I got a girlfriend. Guess what, the original reason I became depressed is still the reason I'm depressed. Working my ass off despite my suffering has brought me objectively good things. But it really doesn't matter at all because I'm still severely depressed.

I wonder, it sounds like you don't have financial woes and you have love in your life plus your geographic location is ideal.. so why is it somehow that you are still having SI?

They also see it as some 'test of strength.' You HAVE TO stand up to the abuse of life to prove to finite humans and their made-up value system how strong you are.

I'll never understand the endurance test that humans have made life into. However, if all I have to gain from showing how much abuse I can take from life are scars and trauma, then it's not worth it. It's literally a net negative.

I should frame this here on SaSu. People do really want to flex their muscles of how much they've been strong despite the horrors. And the horrors just keep coming. They will end for me though as I have the autonomy of choice

 

[affirmatice]

I wonder, it sounds like you don't have financial woes and you have love in your life plus your geographic location is ideal.. so why is it somehow that you are still having SI?

I should frame this here on SaSu. People do really want to flex their muscles of how much they've been strong despite the horrors. And the horrors just keep coming. They will end for me though as I have the autonomy of choice

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