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wljourney

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If you read the indictment that I linked above (and the court filing called "complaint" linked at the bottom there) you'll see that the investigation into A/D started in 2016. Well before the NYT article came out.

D was only arrested recently (May 2024) and is awaiting arraignment now.

I understand your anger about SN becoming harder to access though.

AFAIK the UK has a similar law about the sale of pure SN and Canada is considering a similar law. But that'll take time. It seems to me they will move once the US has passed their law.

We wait and see.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

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Aug 12, 2019
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If you read the indictment that I linked above (and the court filing called "complaint" linked at the bottom there) you'll see that the investigation into A/D started in 2016. Well before the NYT article came out.

D was only arrested recently (May 2024) and is awaiting arraignment now.

I understand your anger about SN becoming harder to access though.

AFAIK the UK has a similar law about the sale of pure SN and Canada is considering a similar law. But that'll take time. It seems to me they will move once the US has passed their law.

We wait and see.
All sales , D's email etc. were taken down a few months after the NY times article even though his emails and sales hadn't been for many years 2016 or even before that. the nY times article came out dec 9 2021. the massive attention and police visits was just a few months after that and that's when they stopped the sale of N from on may 2022 . the email was taken down on may 2022 and sales stopped on may 2022. the U.S. government got the email taken down or pressured the Mexican gov to do it.. it was because of the nY times article that the U.S. government took massive action to take down N from D's email and police visits a few months after.

The police visits in the U.S. were because of the Ny times a few months after it too. both the taking down of the email and police visits in the U.S. happened at the same time so it was obviously coordinated by the U.S. government.

The U.S congress is even refrencing the NY times article showing that's where they got all their information about SN and this site which was lies from Ny times .

the Ny times lied against this site., saying people here are encouraging vulnerable and underage people to commit suicide and they named SN. the congresss nor hardley anyone knew or would've known about this site or what SN is before that NY times article .


For the U.S. congres to parrot the lies the NY times said against this website "encouraged an easilly accessible method to die" is an injustice. nobody encouraged anything . This is from the U.S. congress website refrencing and parroting the lies the NY times article said : " A 2021 New York Times investigation into an online suicide forum found that sodium nitrite was being popularized and encouraged as an easily accessible method to die by suicide. The forum, which is disguised as a safe place to discuss suicidal ideation, hosts threads where anonymous users provide detailed instructions and real-time guidance on how to die by suicide using sodium nitrite"

i think only i care about this that the ny times is the cause and you won't change my mind ever




WASHINGTON, DC – Today, the U.S. House of Representatives passed Congresswoman Lori Trahan's (MA-03)Youth Poisoning Protection Act, bipartisan legislation that would ban the consumer sale of products containing high concentrations of sodium nitrite, a meat-curing chemical that can be lethal when ingested. The legislation was introduced last year along with Representatives Mike Carey (R-OH-15), Katie Porter (D-CA-47), and Chris Stewart (R-UT-02) as well as Senators Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) and JD Vance (R-OH).


"The Youth Poisoning Protection Act is urgently needed to limit consumer access to high concentrations of a dangerous, toxic chemical that's being promoted online as a method to die by suicide," Congresswoman Trahan said during debate over the bill on the House floor. "It solely seeks to end the straight to consumer sale of highly concentrated Sodium Nitrite that is helping fuel the efforts of anonymous suicide forum users pushing vulnerable people to end their lives. It's simple, it's straightforward, and it has the potential to save lives."


A 2021 New York Times investigation into an online suicide forum found that sodium nitrite was being popularized and encouraged as an easily accessible method to die by suicide. The forum, which is disguised as a safe place to discuss suicidal ideation, hosts threads where anonymous users provide detailed instructions and real-time guidance on how to die by suicide using sodium nitrite.
 
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murmur

murmur

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Dec 11, 2022
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Heard that ctb rates amongst Doctors & vets are extermely high for this very reason.
This scenario has popped up in my head in passing, I mean its kind of funny just because of the irony, its such an ass backwards pursuit, but you know after all that schooling and training it must be such a relief to readily have access to N
 
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itsneverbeenmoreove

itsneverbeenmoreove

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May 21, 2024
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Y'know, I hate the New York Times for political reasons, but also fuck them for this. I don't care if this guy was the sleaziest slimeball profiteering as much as he possibly could, he was still helping people who needed it.
 
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astr4

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Mar 27, 2019
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hope daniel nugent the homeland security agent gets cheated on and then also give him a terminal illness just for karma so he can see what suffering without relief is like

like seriously fuck that guy
 
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SonicFan1994

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Interesting I tried messaging D a few months back with the email provided in the PPH and the email didn't exist anymore got the rejected email
 
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N3UR0T1C

CTB Today
Jul 13, 2019
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Free him. He committed no crime worth prosecuting. The slavemasters are terrified of a quick, painless, and accessible method of dying because a lot more people would take it than most people think. Their stranglehold over humanity would end quite quickly, as they would see massive population reduction
 
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BurntBridge

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Just saw this news. Never got a chance to order from him because I kept procrastinating and was also scared and then it was too late but this is really sad. He provided a great service for us.
 
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Not a Cylon

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I never knew such people existed until after they get arrested. Looking for ways out and all I see is "well, a few years ago so and so sold kits…". Like so many things in my life I'm too late to the party.
 
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b_adr

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I honestly believe that our society will look back at moments and this and be ashamed. When that will be, I do not know, but I truly believe that it is only a matter of time (at least in democratic countries).
 
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Traveller12724

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May 14, 2024
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Hih



Huh, I would have sworn that the NYT article came out AFTER D stopped replying to emails. So many people who had hoped to order soon and didn't get the chance. So many scammers popped up quickly after too.


And yes, the NYT story. Those were the days.

I'm surprised that the US is actually considering a law like that.
Not banning guns, but banning SN?

What are the chances that it's passed in the Senate? Do you know?
The likelihood that it's passed in the senate is 100% because no Senator in their right mind would go on record opposing a bill named Youth Poisoning Act, plus the bill only needs 60 votes to pass and no senator would have anything to gain by opposing it
 
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houseofleaves

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and this with thee remains.
Jan 14, 2022
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Fuck these damn prolifers. May they rot in hell, wanting to kill themselves to stop the suffering while being completely unable to do so.
 
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b_adr

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To those who knew of him before these news, how did you get information about him?
 
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locked*n*loaded

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To those who knew of him before these news, how did you get information about him?
He was a vetted source listed in the PPH (Peaceful Pill Handbook).
 
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OnlyOneSolution

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A federal grand jury in Chicago has indicted a Mexican resident on charges of illegally importing and distributing the drug Pentobarbital from Mexico to the United States.

Daniel Gonzalez-Munguia, also known as "Alejandro Vasquez," (A and D in the Peaceful Pill Handbook) is accused of operating an online drug business to sell Pentobarbital to individuals contemplating suicide in the U.S. and worldwide.

During the investigation, law enforcement intercepted numerous parcels shipped from Mexico allegedly by Gonzalez-Munguia. Authorities conducted well-being checks and recovered Pentobarbital from several despondent individuals who admitted ordering the drug online. In some cases, individuals who purchased the drug were later found dead, including in the Chicago area.

Gonzalez-Munguia of Puebla, Mexico, faces up to 60 years in federal prison if convicted. He is currently in U.S. custody, awaiting arraignment in federal court in Chicago.

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Y'know, I hate the New York Times for political reasons, but also fuck them for this. I don't care if this guy was the sleaziest slimeball profiteering as much as he possibly could, he was still helping people who needed it.
NYT/politicians or us? Who really has the messed up values?

As long as I am of a sound mind and making what I consider to be a rational decision for myself, it is nobody's business. I am not hurting anyone else.
 
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Asleepatlast

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Sep 12, 2024
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This is interesting news. I ordered my N from AV in 2018 and my first batch was confiscated. I also got a welfare check at 4am with 2 cops knocking on my door . My second order came through however as I used a different payment method. Sad news him getting arrested when its the scammers who should be the ones who are getting arrested instead .
What did you tell the cops?
 
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What did you tell the cops?
I told them my mother had died the year before and I was extremely emotional and acted hastily ordering the N without thinking of the consequences of my actions . That was it. They kept asking me if I had further plans to end my life and I kept insisting "no". That was it. They tried cancelling my security license also, and had to get a letter from my doctor saying that I was still mentally fit to work as a security guard
 
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Asleepatlast

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Sep 12, 2024
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I told them my mother had died the year before and I was extremely emotional and acted hastily ordering the N without thinking of the consequences of my actions . That was it. They kept asking me if I had further plans to end my life and I kept insisting "no". That was it. They tried cancelling my security license also, and had to get a letter from my doctor saying that I was still mentally fit to work as a security guard
Wow. Well it just goes to show you the state of things. They can really mess up your life if they want to. That would have me so stressed out.
 
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ThisGameIsOverrated

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Didn't he stop operating years ago? Why's he only getting arrested recently?
 
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Talvikki

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Didn't he stop operating years ago? Why's he only getting arrested recently?

Daniel Gonzalez-Munguia, also known as "Alejandro Vasquez," is Faces Trial in the U.S. for Facilitating the Suicides of Over 70 People: Here's How He Operated

Daniel González allegedly aided around 70 individuals from countries like the United States, Spain, Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, South Korea, and the United Kingdom in taking their lives. He coordinated his operations from Puebla, Mexico.


The Operation

González set up an organized operation. He didn't try to hide and even created a guide titled "How to Commit Suicide," which included his contact email and a PayPal account for payments sent to Puebla.

According to an investigation by the Illinois Court, González allegedly supplied a drug commonly used to sedate animals, which can cause a painless death within 30 minutes. Over two years, this "business" earned him over $400,000 via wire transfers.

Now, facing charges that could lead to a 60-year prison sentence, González has expressed remorse, claiming that his faith has transformed him. He now studies the Bible with other inmates and says he's found hope.

In a recent letter to a judge in Chicago, he wrote, "Give all glory to God and my Lord Jesus because He has illuminated my life and given me hope for the future."


How Did Daniel González Operate?

On June 19, 2015, a package arrived from Mexico for a 52-year-old man in Boulder County, Colorado. Two weeks earlier, he had found an email address online offering assistance with suicide.

In his initial message, he requested three bottles and offered to pay through PayPal. U.S. prosecutors now say that "Alejandro" was González's alias for trafficking these drugs.

On July 2, 2015, local police found this client deceased from an overdose of animal sedative, the same drug González was allegedly supplying. In response, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security launched an undercover investigation.


Crossing the Border

In March 2016, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents at a UPS center in Louisville, Kentucky, intercepted a package from Mexico labeled as "two Mexican crafts." Upon inspection, agents found two pre-packaged 100ml bottles of an animal sedative. The recipient was staying at a hotel in Illinois and admitted he had been struggling with suicidal thoughts after his wife requested a divorce.


The Suicide Manual

Seeking help online, this man found a "how-to" suicide guide with an email promising access to the drug. For an additional $80, express shipping was offered. Instructions followed, advising the user to delete all communication and discard the bottles securely.

After transferring $644 through Western Union, the recipient received confirmation that the funds had been collected in Puebla. This transaction helped agents identify González as the primary contact in this suicide aid network.

Through email interception, agents discovered González had supplied drugs to clients in the U.S., Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, Ireland, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, and the UK. The records reveal at least five confirmed suicides in the U.S. attributed to the drugs González sent.


How Authorities Caught Him

By May 2016, undercover agent Daniel Nugent began posing as a client. González proposed using PayPal for payment, and the agent soon received a package, which allowed investigators to confirm González's fingerprints.


Trial and Defense

González was arrested on April 12, 2021, but formal charges only surfaced on May 30, 2024, when grand jury documents were made public. Intercepted emails and financial records showed González had received about $206,927 through Western Union for his services, with clients from around the world.

In a letter to Judge Sara L. Ellis, González expressed his intention to rehabilitate himself. He claimed to be improving his English and studying the Bible with fellow inmates, inspired by a former convict who had transformed his life in prison.

Source
Mexican newspapers
 
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Dead already. Just need to dispose of my body now.
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What a shit show :(
 
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ThisGameIsOverrated

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González was arrested on April 12, 2021, but formal charges only surfaced on May 30, 2024, when grand jury documents were made public.
ah so it just took time for the charges to be decided, makes sense since it's hard to decide what charges such an operation would warrant
 
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A federal grand jury in Chicago has indicted a Mexican resident on charges of illegally importing and distributing the drug Pentobarbital from Mexico to the United States.

Daniel Gonzalez-Munguia, also known as "Alejandro Vasquez," (A and D in the Peaceful Pill Handbook) is accused of operating an online drug business to sell Pentobarbital to individuals contemplating suicide in the U.S. and worldwide.

During the investigation, law enforcement intercepted numerous parcels shipped from Mexico allegedly by Gonzalez-Munguia. Authorities conducted well-being checks and recovered Pentobarbital from several despondent individuals who admitted ordering the drug online. In some cases, individuals who purchased the drug were later found dead, including in the Chicago area.

Gonzalez-Munguia of Puebla, Mexico, faces up to 60 years in federal prison if convicted. He is currently in U.S. custody, awaiting arraignment in federal court in Chicago.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-from-mexico-indicted-chicago-allegedly-importing-suicide-drug

https://www.myhometowntoday.com/new...ing-suicide-drug-after-some-buyers-found-dead
just remember how much good he has dome to people
 
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