Help Need help getting nitrogen cylinder

[howtodisappearr]

Getting a nitrogen cylinder in my situation seems impossible does anyone have any advice or can anyone help??

So for some background I've been researching methods and wanting to ctb for many years now but I've only attempted once with the night night method because there doesn't seem to be a perfect method and I was always pretty limited due to my living situation. I know SN is popular but I have a history of pretty bad nausea and throwing up so I really doubt that method would work for me + I'm just wary of overdosing methods in general because I know they have a reputation for having a low success rate.

I was almost losing hope of finding a method I could actually go through with, until I found out about the nitrogen method. Quick and painless, and I could do it in the comfort of my own apartment (my new living situation as of september). I have roommates but often they are either a) not home or b) don't really check up on me (plus one of them wears headphones 24/7 and blasts music so even if I'm yelling at the top of my lungs she can't hear me). Nitrogen also seemed great because you don't really need a prescription and you can order it off the clear net.

Now for the problem:
I don't have access to a car, or a drivers license. Where I live (Ontario, Canada) all the gas cylinder companies either only ship empty cylinders, or you have to drive to one of their warehouses to pickup a filled cylinder. I did find one company that does local delivery for filled cylinders but my city isn't in the delivery range. It's also a brewing company selling "high purity food grade" nitrogen and doesn't list the actual purity of the nitrogen so I'm not sure that it would be high enough purity anyways.

Please please reply if you have any information that could be helpful, any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated! Also before anyone asks, I am 19 and I don't have my drivers license because I did not have any who was able to teach me how to drive in high school and I knew I wouldn't be able to afford a car until at least 22/when I graduated university anyways so it wasn't my top priority.
Also:

I do have another method in mind if this one is just not possible. I would rather not go that way because while I know it's pretty much guaranteed to work I also think it could be painful and there is a chance self preservation instincts could kick in which would be a very big problem.

 

[Falling Slowly]

Getting a nitrogen cylinder in my situation seems impossible does anyone have any advice or can anyone help??

So for some background I've been researching methods and wanting to ctb for many years now but I've only attempted once with the night night method because there doesn't seem to be a perfect method and I was always pretty limited due to my living situation. I know SN is popular but I have a history of pretty bad nausea and throwing up so I really doubt that method would work for me + I'm just wary of overdosing methods in general because I know they have a reputation for having a low success rate.

I was almost losing hope of finding a method I could actually go through with, until I found out about the nitrogen method. Quick and painless, and I could do it in the comfort of my own apartment (my new living situation as of september). I have roommates but often they are either a) not home or b) don't really check up on me (plus one of them wears headphones 24/7 and blasts music so even if I'm yelling at the top of my lungs she can't hear me). Nitrogen also seemed great because you don't really need a prescription and you can order it off the clear net.

Now for the problem:
I don't have access to a car, or a drivers license. Where I live (Ontario, Canada) all the gas cylinder companies either only ship empty cylinders, or you have to drive to one of their warehouses to pickup a filled cylinder. I did find one company that does local delivery for filled cylinders but my city isn't in the delivery range. It's also a brewing company selling "high purity food grade" nitrogen and doesn't list the actual purity of the nitrogen so I'm not sure that it would be high enough purity anyways.

Please please reply if you have any information that could be helpful, any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated! Also before anyone asks, I am 19 and I don't have my drivers license because I did not have any who was able to teach me how to drive in high school and I knew I wouldn't be able to afford a car until at least 22/when I graduated university anyways so it wasn't my top priority.
Also:

I do have another method in mind if this one is just not possible. I would rather not go that way because while I know it's pretty much guaranteed to work I also think it could be painful and there is a chance self preservation instincts could kick in which would be a very big problem.

I normally don't comment on another person's desire to ctb, but when I saw that you're only 19 I was going to question your decision to ctb at such a young age, but I saw your post on this other thread, so I won't ask you about attempts to get help etc.

As regards the nitrogen, I'm not from the U.S. but some people from there recently said that they couldn't get nitrogen delivered there, but could get an argon cylinder delivered there. Have you checked if that's the case in Canada, as argon is fine to use?

If not, then is a taxi too expensive to use for collection.? You could put it into some kind of large bag/bin bag. Maybe tell the taxi it's for brewing beer or whatever (put it upright in the back seat footwell if you do).
I have a 9 litre/~43 cu/ft one, It's slightly heavy, but it would fit inside a large black bin bag if you wanted to keep it hidden from people's view. A slightly smaller cylinder (say 5 litre) would also be enough, and be easier to put in a bag.

But like I said, you're still fairly young to ctb, but good luck with whatever you decide to do . ( and I honestly don't wish to sound condescending towards you. ).

 

[reborn87]

Can you buy nitrogen USA? What is this method? I'm in USA too and really bad chronic pain at 36 and I was beat by my family very badly left bedridden.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Can you buy nitrogen USA? What is this method? I'm in USA too and really bad chronic pain at 36 and I was beat by my family very badly left bedridden.

Yes, but people on the inert gas megathread said they couldn't get it delivered, collection only. But they were able to get argon delivered, which can also be used.

See the inert gas megathread:

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

I have two 7L tanks of balloon helium (99% pure, not the 20% oxygen mixed) all hooked up with tubes and exit bag ready to go, just wondering what's everyone's thoughts on doing this without a regulator? Should I turn the gas on all the way or half way? I can't seem to find a regulator that fits...

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[The Ninth God]

I know SN is popular but I have a history of pretty bad nausea and throwing up so I really doubt that method would work for me + I'm just wary of overdosing methods in general because I know they have a reputation for having a low success rate.

The problem is not the low success rate, because there are substances that have over 90% mortality rate, the problem is that those substances are very difficult to get legally, entirely illegal or the method is extremely painful. I know several plants, mushrooms and alike, they are found easily and don't have antidotes available, so once you get a lethal dose is over, but you'll die in excruciating pain and some takes days to kill you. I don't think anyone wants to be tortured for over 24/48h straight before dying.

 

[reborn87]

Yes, but people on the inert gas megathread said they couldn't get it delivered, collection only. But they were able to get argon delivered, which can also be used.

See the inert gas megathread:

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

I have two 7L tanks of balloon helium (99% pure, not the 20% oxygen mixed) all hooked up with tubes and exit bag ready to go, just wondering what's everyone's thoughts on doing this without a regulator? Should I turn the gas on all the way or half way? I can't seem to find a regulator that fits...

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Is nitrogen, the same as helium? I see that helium is very difficult to get delivered. That is 99% pure to USA. How about nitrogen is something like this that I found on Amazon sufficient I looked at the thread and I don't understand the mask part, would you put it in your mouth? Or put on the mask and breathe in

 

[Tears in Rain]

Is nitrogen, the same as helium? I see that helium is very difficult to get delivered. That is 99% pure to USA. How about nitrogen is something like this that I found on Amazon sufficient I looked at the thread and I don't understand the mask part, would you put it in your mouth? Or put on the mask and breathe in

You can use either nitrogen, helium, or argon.

Make sure that cylinder is full.
Sometimes Amazon sell empty cylinders, for the purchaser to bring to an vendor to get filled. Check the item description. If it says "ships empty", then there's no nitrogen in it.

You can use either an exit bag, a hood, or a SCUBA or SCBA mask.

 

[reborn87]

What

You can use either nitrogen, helium, or argon.

Make sure that cylinder is full.
Sometimes Amazon sell empty cylinders, for the purchaser to bring to an vendor to get filled. Check the item description. If it says "ships empty", then there's no nitrogen in it.

You can use either an exit bag, a hood, or a SCUBA or SCBA mask.

what kind of vendor can I use or how do I search them to get a nitrogen tank filled? Thank you.

 

[Tears in Rain]

What

what kind of vendor can I use or how do I search them to get a nitrogen tank filled? Thank you.

People in the U.S. usually used Airgas to collect nitrogen cylinders.
For argon, people have gotten them delivered from the site you mentioned.
The Peaceful Pill handbook mentions a different argon source that also delivers.

 

[joeschmo]

People in the U.S. usually used Airgas to collect nitrogen cylinders.
For argon, people have gotten them delivered from the site you mentioned.
The Peaceful Pill handbook mentions a different argon source that also delivers.
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Hey buddy .
Found you here as well. Was looking for alternatives to buying gas tank and your post here is very informative. That website really does sell Argon full tanks and delivers them. It saves me the hassle of coming up with a story for in-person purchase.
But since it's argon now instead of nitrogen, does that change in any way the equipment type that I need to buy? Remember that I already found the SCBA mask and LDV setup with the straps setup, and also the air-to-nitrogen adapter (which I assume also works with a argon tank so long as the tank is also a CGA 580).

Or is there something I should change for the argon cylinder?

EDIT:
I was looking at the 40 cubic foot full argon cylinder. Website description doesn't say how many psi is in it. How would I know if 40 cubic foot is enough and whether or not it is the appropriate one for the 2216 psi low pressure LDV that I want to get?

 

[Tears in Rain]

Hey buddy .
Found you here as well. Was looking for alternatives to buying gas tank and your post here is very informative. That website really does sell Argon full tanks and delivers them. It saves me the hassle of coming up with a story for in-person purchase.
But since it's argon now instead of nitrogen, does that change in any way the equipment type that I need to buy? Remember that I already found the SCBA mask and LDV setup with the straps setup, and also the air-to-nitrogen adapter (which I assume also works with a argon tank so long as the tank is also a CGA 580).

Argon has been used by someone previously on this site to ctb with SCBA setup, and others said it's fine to use with SCBA.
@GasMonkey said that because SCBA is designed to be used with air(which contains about 78% nitrogen), nitrogen is best. But if helium or argon are used, it might be worth testing with the equipment before use.
SCBA/argon user:

Farewell, My Final Post

To preface, I'd like to extend a massive thanks to those who have made this possible. My biggest thanks goes to @GasMonkey. Not to dissuade you when your hour comes, but SaSu will have lost one of its most knowledgeable members. I am thankful that I joined the site in the brief window that you...

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If you have thought about using Helium with SCBA gear, I'm not sure if it would perform well with it, since that equipment is designed for Air (which has almost the same weight as Nitrogen, so it is compatible with it) and Helium is much lighter than Air, you would have to test it to see what happens.

EDIT:
I was looking at the 40 cubic foot full argon cylinder. Website description doesn't say how many psi is in it. How would I know if 40 cubic foot is enough

There are online converters for converting cubic foot to litres:

https://www.google.com/search?q=cubic+feet+to+litres&oq=cubic+feet+to+litres&aqs=chrome..69i57j6j0i512l4j0i10i512.7755j0j7&client=ms-android-hmd&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&chrome_dse_attribution=1

40 cu/ft is around 1132 litres. Plenty enough.
@TiredHorse who started the inert gas megathread said minimum 600 litres was required. Others say to aim for 1000+litres

and whether or not it is the appropriate one for the 2216 psi low pressure LDV that I want to get?

The 2216 regulators are designed for max 150 bar/2216 air pressure.
Most 40cu/ft cylinders are filled to standard 2,015 psi/~138bar.
Look for the sellers name on that website you mention. If you find their own website, you should get the actual cylinder pressure:


If collecting a nitrogen cylinder, they may not ask what you need it for. Some have said beer brewing or welding. Here's one girls experience of collecting a nitrogen cylinder:

Buying N2: My Experience

Hello people! I'm super excited about my accomplishment today and I just wanted to share my experience in hopes others will find it helpful. However, this is still just my story. Thanks for reading! :) Today, I purchased one 40 cubic foot tank of compressed Nitrogen. For the longest time, I...

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[joeschmo]

Argon has been used by someone previously on this site to ctb with SCBA setup, and others said it's fine to use with SCBA.
@GasMonkey said that because SCBA is designed to be used with air(which contains about 78% nitrogen), nitrogen is best. But if helium or argon are used, it might be worth testing with the equipment before use.
SCBA/argon user:

Farewell, My Final Post

To preface, I'd like to extend a massive thanks to those who have made this possible. My biggest thanks goes to @GasMonkey. Not to dissuade you when your hour comes, but SaSu will have lost one of its most knowledgeable members. I am thankful that I joined the site in the brief window that you...

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There are online converters for converting cubic foot to litres:

https://www.google.com/search?q=cubic+feet+to+litres&oq=cubic+feet+to+litres&aqs=chrome..69i57j6j0i512l4j0i10i512.7755j0j7&client=ms-android-hmd&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&chrome_dse_attribution=1

40 cu/ft is around 1132 litres. Plenty enough.
@TiredHorse who started the inert gas megathread said minimum 600 litres was required. Others say to aim for 1000+litres


The 2216 regulators are designed for max 150 bar/2216 air pressure.
Most 40cu/ft cylinders are filled to standard 2,015 psi/~138bar.
Look for the sellers name on that website you mention. If you find their own website, you should get the actual cylinder pressure:
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If collecting a nitrogen cylinder, they may not ask what you need it for. Some have said beer brewing or welding. Here's one girls experience of collecting a nitrogen cylinder:

Buying N2: My Experience

Hello people! I'm super excited about my accomplishment today and I just wanted to share my experience in hopes others will find it helpful. However, this is still just my story. Thanks for reading! :) Today, I purchased one 40 cubic foot tank of compressed Nitrogen. For the longest time, I...

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"@GasMonkey said that because SCBA is designed to be used with air(which contains about 78% nitrogen), nitrogen is best."

That is a very good point. I guess I'll try my luck in person, and if it doesn't work (at multiple locations), then I buy argon online.

Thanks for all the info