Help N poured into glass, there is some precipitate. How much less than optimal

[Eucalyptus72]

How much is too much? I put it back in the bottles with their stoppers in the frig. I want to just take it today still. I have privacy. Nobody expecting me until late Monday. Got some on my fingers and I licked them and am zonked this morning. I will continue to fast.

 

[Eucalyptus72]

Bump.

 

[Scacie]

Is it possible to find the original concentration of N in your original bottle? Or perhaps pour out the water+dissolved N and weigh the crystals? To find out how much has dissolved and how much is still in ppt form
can you try to isolate the water + N you have, and dissolve the crystals in strong alcohol? A google search says it is prepared in 95% alcohol in labs. Perhaps 70% will work?
Pure N also melts at 130 degree Celsius. If possible, you can try to heat it up to that temperature, and melt it

 

[Eucalyptus72]

I didn't add water. Just poured the contents of the N containers into a glass. Very drowsy now must be the licking fingers from yesterday with a little N residue.

 

[Scacie]

Huh, okay. Do you know how many grams/mg of N was there in the orignal container? Perhaps if only some was lost you can still reach LD 50 with alcohol+benzos.
but isolating the liquid from the precipitate, then dissolving the precipitate in alcohol/water, before heating it to a higher temperature(maybe 70 degree Celsius), should increase its solubility and cause some to dissolve.

I don't know for sure, but maybe the ppt isn't N but some sort of impurity/perservative/contamination that appeared from being in storage for too long, if thats a bet you are willing to make

 

[Eucalyptus72]

13 grams or 200 ml. I would take propranolol and then tequila after. I will give it a go today. Still fasting which is good

 

[Scacie]

13 grams, hm. its hard to estimate from just a picture. Do you have access to a scale at home? You can check the weight of the crystals to know how much is dissolved. Otherwise perhaps more alcohol will work. You can always just eat the crystals I guess.

 

[Eucalyptus72]

So the precipitate is the N crystalizing?

 

[Scacie]

Well, to be honest, without a lab analysis I don't know. Technically N is soluble in water/ethanol, so it likely isnt, unless the solution is saturated.
My best guess is it is some form of impurity/peservative/contamination that appeared from years of storage, but I'm not exactly sure. Maybe an unknown solvent degraded after the years, decreasing the solubility of N, and causing it to crystalize, but I really am not sure.
Its probably still better to try and dissolve it separately in warm/hot water/alcohol, just to be sure.
N (sodium salt) should be pretty thermally stable, so if it is, there won't be much loss if you heat it.

 

[Eucalyptus72]

And if it dissolves what would that show? Apparently this precipitate is formed after long storage. The label tells the vet not to use it precipitate formed.

 

[Scacie]

It is given to animals as injections, so it is definitely unsafe if ppt happens. Means contamination bla bla
If it dissolves, it shows there is a chance this might be N. If it is formed after long storage, then it likely means its a peservative/something else that expired. I suppose since you are drinking it it dosen't really matter if contamination occurs. Not like you will experience the consequences of that, lol. Should not be N as it is highly soluble.
If you want to get sciency, and there isn't much information on the solubility of N sodium(assuming its sparingly soluble only), you can add more table salt once you isolated the crystals. If its indeed sparingly soluble, increasing the concentration of Sodium should encourage more N to dissolve.


Edit: A paper says that N sodium has a dissociation constant of 7.88, which means it should be very soluble in water

 

[Eucalyptus72]

I don't want to get get sciencey. Just want to understand whether it's best not to try or if it would still kill me.

 

[Scacie]

Yea, sorry. did the ASD special intrest rambling again. I can't really offer you a concrete answer. I'm not a scentist, and only you can decide if you want to do it.
I guess I would say, if I'm in your shoes with the N right now, theres a good chance I would still take it, after estimating the weight of the crystals. (Just to check if there is even a chance too much N ppted) I would probably drink more alcohol with it though, providing I had AE.

 

[Eucalyptus72]

That sounds more sciencey.

 

[Scacie]

oh god. haha. its just weighing the crystals though, just a precaution. My rationale is if its more than 13g(more than N dissolved) it likely isnt N, and if its too little, it wont matter as much. I'll eat the crystals with everything else, and hope the stomach does its thing if I were you. If it is N, cool. If it isnt and is some form of contamination.... I wouldnt be here to experience the consequences would I.


I have a pretty shitty weight recognition, as my scale of SN hasnt arrived yet, so I cant guestimate the weight of the crystals

 

[Eucalyptus72]

Well, why wouldn't they be something from the origin solution as on the label itself says this is an indication of the stuff breaking down. Making the liquid less reliably measurable?

 

[Eucalyptus72]

So this process of the n solution forming particles is called flocculation.

 

[Scacie]

oooh hoho truly exciting stuff. but seriously though, I hope you find a solution for it

 

[intr0verse]

Those crystals are some of the N converting to pentobarbital (acid). How much potency is lost, only a lab analysis would tell you.

Edit: Deleted the rest of my post because it was irrelevant. At the time i made the original commentary, the OP already drank its N.
If successful, it will be our first account (at least that i'm aware of) of someone successfully ctb using ten year old N with precipitate in it, which may clear other people's doubts about their old N.

 

[Alessa]

Hi guys, interesting information you shared, thx for that!
I would like to take some of mine, but I need to be careful of course not taking too much. Does anybondy know how much, how many ml would be fine to drink to have an effect and not being too dangerous? I got 200 ml, which is around 12 g, meaning overkill. even 6-8 g should be enough to kill someone, which is around 100 to 130 ml. You think it would be fine to testdrink 3, 4 or 5 ml? If its pure, then 315 mg might be... too much? or still fine? What kind of effects would I have to expect? Just need to testdrink, to make sure, its not expired too much, its 5 years old...

 

[HopeToStay]

Looks like Eucalyptus72 made the jump.

Not logged in since his last post ^^^

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Hi guys, interesting information you shared, thx for that!
I would like to take some of mine, but I need to be careful of course not taking too much. Does anybondy know how much, how many ml would be fine to drink to have an effect and not being too dangerous? I got 200 ml, which is around 12 g, meaning overkill. even 6-8 g should be enough to kill someone, which is around 100 to 130 ml. You think it would be fine to testdrink 3, 4 or 5 ml? If its pure, then 315 mg might be... too much? or still fine? What kind of effects would I have to expect? Just need to testdrink, to make sure, its not expired too much, its 5 years old...

The old fashioned n sleeping pills contained 100mg - mg, NOT gm!!! - that is, a sleeping pill dose was 1/10 of one gram. If 100ml = 6 gm (I don't know) you'd want to divide that by 60 to equal one ordinary sleeping pill dose. That would be 1 2/3 ml.

 

[Alessa]

The old fashioned n sleeping pills contained 100mg - mg, NOT gm!!! - that is, a sleeping pill dose was 1/10 of one gram. If 100ml = 6 gm (I don't know) you'd want to divide that by 60 to equal one ordinary sleeping pill dose. That would be 1 2/3 ml.

yes, or 1,666... ml ^^ Thanks for letting me know, I will test first 2 ml. If I'll feel no effect, I will increase step by step. If 5 ml wont do much, then my N is not safe to take. 0,5 ml did nothing, didnt feel anything, but maybe it was just too few.