Hello everyone,
since I did a lot of research regarding the N method, I decided to gather all the information in this thread. Please take these information with a grain of salt and do your own research before considering this method. I'll try to include sources for my findings.
Pentobarbital (Trade name Nembutal) is a short-acting barbiturate. It is used short-term as a sedative to treat insomnia, or to cause you to fall asleep for surgery. Although long-acting barbiturates (Phenobarbital) have caused more fatal poisonings, short-acting ones lead to deeper comas and therefore are preferably used for euthanasia.
How does it work?
Dosage
Different forms and availability
Anti-emetics
Taste
Alcohol and Drug Interactions
Fasting
Safe environment
How to take N
Time to death
since I did a lot of research regarding the N method, I decided to gather all the information in this thread. Please take these information with a grain of salt and do your own research before considering this method. I'll try to include sources for my findings.
Pentobarbital (Trade name Nembutal) is a short-acting barbiturate. It is used short-term as a sedative to treat insomnia, or to cause you to fall asleep for surgery. Although long-acting barbiturates (Phenobarbital) have caused more fatal poisonings, short-acting ones lead to deeper comas and therefore are preferably used for euthanasia.
How does it work?
N effects the action of the brain chemical GABA in that they enhance the effect of GABA and may even act in its place. GABA slows down the signals between neurons. Meaning that you will start to feel more and more relaxed and finally go to sleep. Then your respiration ceases and you die.
The minimum lethal dosage of N is about 6 gm.
PpeH – Page 255
Guide to Human self chosen death – page 44
Everyone reacts a little different to drugs and there are a few factors to include when calculating a lethal dose (Such as weight above 170 pounds and health condition). To reduce the risk of failing with this method, it is advised to take a larger dose. Dignitas in Switzerland uses 12-15 gm, the dosage for AS in Oregon is 9 gm. In The Netherlands, doctors who offer to help with hastening death, provide a drink with 9 grams of pentobarbital or secobarbital.Guide to Human self chosen death – page 44
There are three different forms of N. Pills (Known as yellow jackets), Powder and Liquid.
For more information you can check out the PpeH – Chapter "Availability of N"
Liquid
The most common way of obtaining N in this forum is to get it in liquid form from A. There is a megathread already that you should check out for additional information.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/megathread-getting-n-from-a.2544/
He sells it in 100ml bottles, each containing 6 gm of N. You get a legit sealed product, so you don't have to hassle with testing it.
There are a few other veterinarian Products with higher concentration available on the black market, althought these sources might not be as legit as A.
Powder
You can get N as a powder as well and dissolve it into water when needed (Less volume than the liquid form). The probability of getting scammed is high, because you have to search for it on the black market. Recent vendors from china have stopped selling.
If you get the powder you have to make sure that it is pure enough. You can check either with a test kit from exit or by sending it into a lab.
Pills
These were discontinued in 1999 and I doubt that there are any legit ones left on the market.
For more information you can check out the PpeH – Chapter "Availability of N"
Liquid
The most common way of obtaining N in this forum is to get it in liquid form from A. There is a megathread already that you should check out for additional information.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/megathread-getting-n-from-a.2544/
He sells it in 100ml bottles, each containing 6 gm of N. You get a legit sealed product, so you don't have to hassle with testing it.
There are a few other veterinarian Products with higher concentration available on the black market, althought these sources might not be as legit as A.
Powder
You can get N as a powder as well and dissolve it into water when needed (Less volume than the liquid form). The probability of getting scammed is high, because you have to search for it on the black market. Recent vendors from china have stopped selling.
If you get the powder you have to make sure that it is pure enough. You can check either with a test kit from exit or by sending it into a lab.
Pills
These were discontinued in 1999 and I doubt that there are any legit ones left on the market.
To reduce the risk of vomiting you have to take anti-emetics.
It is best to use metoclopramide as it reduces the gastric volume and acidity in your stomache (Helps with the absorbtion of the lethal drug) and blocks the signal to your brain (D2 antagonist, dopamine blocker) that introduces vomiting.
It is a presciption-controlled drug, however you can find it on ebay (Primperan, Maxalon, Pramin) or use sites like treated(dot)com.
Some users experience side effects while taking meto, so it is best to do a test run beforehand.
If the side effects are too strong, there are a few alternatives to Meto, such as Domperidone, Ondansetron or Mosapride. For more information please check the PpeH – Page 180.
Stat dose vs. 48 h Regime
The usual regime is to take 30 mg Meto one hour before taking N. This is practiced by AS organizations such as Dignitas. To reduce possible side effects from taking a larger dose, you can do a 48 hour regimen. That means taking 10 mg Meto every 8 hours, starting 48 hours in advance. One benefit of the regimen is, that it functions as a test run. You can abort your attempt early enough if you experience any heavy side effects.
It is best to use metoclopramide as it reduces the gastric volume and acidity in your stomache (Helps with the absorbtion of the lethal drug) and blocks the signal to your brain (D2 antagonist, dopamine blocker) that introduces vomiting.
It is a presciption-controlled drug, however you can find it on ebay (Primperan, Maxalon, Pramin) or use sites like treated(dot)com.
Some users experience side effects while taking meto, so it is best to do a test run beforehand.
If the side effects are too strong, there are a few alternatives to Meto, such as Domperidone, Ondansetron or Mosapride. For more information please check the PpeH – Page 180.
Stat dose vs. 48 h Regime
The usual regime is to take 30 mg Meto one hour before taking N. This is practiced by AS organizations such as Dignitas. To reduce possible side effects from taking a larger dose, you can do a 48 hour regimen. That means taking 10 mg Meto every 8 hours, starting 48 hours in advance. One benefit of the regimen is, that it functions as a test run. You can abort your attempt early enough if you experience any heavy side effects.
People report that N tastes chemical-like, foul and very bitter, so it can be hard to drink. You can try to mask the taste by priming your mouth with honey, taking mouthwash or eating chocolate in between sips. Some mix the liquid with apple sauce (Last Five Acts – Page 360), with orange juice, peach or apricot nectar (Guide to Human self chosen death – page 45) or other soft drinks. Make sure that you don't increase the volume you have to drink too much. You can make it better, but cannot eliminate the bitter taste completely.
Administration of ethanol, benzodiazepines, opioids, antihistamines, other sedative-hypnotics, and other central nervous system depressants will cause possible additive effects.
It is impossible to list every drug interaction here, so if you are in doubt it's best to do your own research.
Although consuming alcohol before taking N is not recommended (Increases side effects of meto), it can help with the taste and quicker absorption after taking a lethal dose. Spirits or liqueur are good options.
It is impossible to list every drug interaction here, so if you are in doubt it's best to do your own research.
Although consuming alcohol before taking N is not recommended (Increases side effects of meto), it can help with the taste and quicker absorption after taking a lethal dose. Spirits or liqueur are good options.
It is best to fast 8 hours prior to taking N to reduce the risk of vomiting and increase the speed in which N will be absorbed by your stomach. However it is a good idea to eat something light to further reduce the chance of reflex vomiting. Something like Tea and Toast one hour prior should work pretty well.
PpeH – Page 371
As with every other OD-method a safe environment and not getting found too early is essential. Usually this is best achieved at night. A hotel room could also be a viable option.
The easiest way to take N is to drink it. Other methods like IV can be hard to accomplish on your own and without training.
You have to drink N quick enough to make sure you ingest the full lethal amount. There are some reports of people falling asleep before they drank the whole amount. It is best to drink in 2-3 big gulps, preferably without breaks in between. A straw is too slow for example.
You have to drink N quick enough to make sure you ingest the full lethal amount. There are some reports of people falling asleep before they drank the whole amount. It is best to drink in 2-3 big gulps, preferably without breaks in between. A straw is too slow for example.
According to the Guide to Human self chosen death, N works fairly quick. In more than 70% of all cases the patient dies within 30 Minutes, in 88% of all cases within 60 Minutes. A Dutch euthanasia group report that 82% die within 60 minutes. The sleep phase should occur in a few minutes, typically less than 6 minutes.
However there is a small group of <1% who may exhibit a prolonged comatose phase before death (sometimes up to 24 hours).
However there is a small group of <1% who may exhibit a prolonged comatose phase before death (sometimes up to 24 hours).
PpeH – Page 373
