N from A Megathread 2

[Tats31]

With the correct email address taken from the PPH, uploaded in the Resources thread by @RainAndSadness, only A and D are legit sources for N.

Legit but reading through the posts sloth have emailed A and have had nothing back.

It's just shit that people in a already difficult time have to also deal with the unscrupulous

 

[intr0verse]

As RainAndSadness said, be careful with unverified sources; it's sad there are people ready to prey on the vulnerable but that's the reality. One of the best things about this place is, it can protect people from scamers through sharing resources and info.
Regarding your experience with A, maybe you didn't use the correct or the latest email address.

 

[speck]

Update for anyone interested: I'm the one who got my order but one of the bottles is broken. I reached out and A said they would replace for 150 (like people have said), but now I have not heard from them in almost a week after telling them I'm ready to make the payment. Will let you know what happens. Hard to swallow that I may now have to order from D for one bottle $$$$$$

 

[Wrennie]

With the correct email address taken from the PPH, uploaded in the Resources thread by @RainAndSadness, only A and D are legit sources for N.

I thought that D was a scammer though?

 

[HopelessFight]

I thought that D was a scammer though?

The old D was. The current D listed in the PPH isn't.

 

[Wrennie]

The old D was. The current D listed in the PPH isn't.

The 2021 version?

Have there been any verified reports from users who've received N from him? Was there a separate thread created for him? Does he use the same brand of Nembutal as A does?

 

[Sslsh]

Can somebody help me with the PPH page number? i have the 2021 pdf.

 

[alown]

The 2021 version?

Have there been any verified reports from users who've received N from him? Was there a separate thread created for him? Does he use the same brand of Nembutal as A does?

I received four bottles from D and they are legit

 

[speck]

I posted an update in my own A thread, but for the rest of you- here's the basics:
I had a successful order in that the order from A arrived, but due to extremely poor packaging one bottle was destroyed. After reaching out to A, they said that they would be able to replace the bottle for 150, but then vanished when I was ready to complete the transaction. I reached out to both known addresses. I still think A's service was ok/good, because the product did arrive and quickly- but if you lose a bottle in transit, you may be completely shit out of luck and end up having to blow another large wad to buy a completely new bottle. Good luck!

 

[Taos]

I posted an update in my own A thread, but for the rest of you- here's the basics:
I had a successful order in that the order from A arrived, but due to extremely poor packaging one bottle was destroyed. After reaching out to A, they said that they would be able to replace the bottle for 150, but then vanished when I was ready to complete the transaction. I reached out to both known addresses. I still think A's service was ok/good, because the product did arrive and quickly- but if you lose a bottle in transit, you may be completely shit out of luck and end up having to blow another large wad to buy a completely new bottle. Good luck!

Thanks for the update! Sorry to hear that. One bottle breaking seems to be not infrequent with A. I was researching N a few years back and that was a complaint I heard often. I know A is legit btw, I am in no way disputing this. For those thinking about A over D, his communication is pretty much always piss poor; that's something to consider.

(To go back a few years) At the time, I didn't know much about N, so had little trust in A and his shit English and slow responses made me nervous. I "tested" him, by emailing him only a few weeks apart, with three different email addresses describing a similar weight (8 stone - 8 stone 7lb) and I was given wildly different responses, which is partly why I backed out of buying.

He basically said: one bottle was more than enough, that even a tiny, tiny amount of one bottle would do it, I only needed to bother getting one. To the other email account he said, two were necessary to cause death (this was to the address w. the lowest weight of 8 stone). And finally to the third address: well, two is standard/what most people order, one might get broken, so you'd be better off buying two. (I was definitely in contact with the real A btw.)

Today, knowing A's rep, the inconsistency wouldn't bother me, it's up to me to make up my own mind; but it was bloody off-putting at the time lol.

 

[speck]

Thanks for the update! Sorry to hear that. One bottle breaking seems to be not infrequent with A. I was researching N a few years back and that was a complaint I heard often. I know A is legit btw, I am in no way disputing this. For those thinking about A over D, his communication is pretty much always piss poor; that's something to consider.

(To go back a few years) At the time, I didn't know much about N, so had little trust in A and his shit English and slow responses made me nervous. I "tested" him, by emailing him only a few weeks apart, with three different email addresses describing a similar weight (8 stone - 8 stone 7lb) and I was given wildly different responses, which is partly why I backed out of buying.

He basically said: one bottle was more than enough, that even a tiny, tiny amount of one bottle would do it, I only needed to bother getting one. To the other email account he said, two were necessary to cause death (this was to the address w. the lowest weight of 8 stone). And finally to the third address: well, two is standard/what most people order, one might get broken, so you'd be better off buying two. (I was definitely in contact with the real A btw.)

Today, knowing A's rep, the inconsistency wouldn't bother me, it's up to me to make up my own mind; but it was bloody off-putting at the time lol.

I honestly had perfect response time from him when he was ready to take my nearly 1k, so I can't resonate with everyone elses experience of slow responses. I actually had a minor set back a few weeks before making the purchase, but he was quick on the draw to pick back up. At this point, I am speculating that he might actually also be D too and looking to draw new business with a fresh reputation. (Form letter almost identical, amounts almost identical just slightly higher, D responded in 30 min time, etc.) I knew the risks, but it still sucks- like we're paying so much, you can't put some bubble wrap INSIDE the box?? lmao.
I know some people say one is enough (approx 6 mg), but there's been so much back and forth because some of the official "death with dignity" agencies use between 9-12 g- so people say two is best for peace of mind. This sounds morbid, but in my country it will cost me less to buy a second bottle and (most likely) have the process work without fail than to use one and wake up with a hospital bill.

 

[Twohorn]

I would like to report findings, having tested bottles of 'N' from both Mexican suppliers, D and A. Oddly, both orders had completely identical packaging, leading me to believe that the two Mexican suppliers are possibly the same person, or are at least closely linked in some way.

Unfortunately, the Exit International test cassettes found no barbiturates in bottles from either supplier.

Samples were sent to Energy Control for GC/MS testing. They were eventually able to identify the sole active substance in each liquid was GBL, confirming no barbiturates were present.
GBL may be useful for self deliverance, but it is certainly an inferior substitute for N, and if one did want to choose this substance they would certainly be able to find it far more cheaply elsewhere.

I have also tested powder 'N' from the supplier known as C, which was found to be no more than paracetamol.

Perhaps these suppliers are simply 'selective scammers', and others are more fortunate than me in obtaining genuine product, but based on my experience I would not recommend that anyone hand over the considerable sums demanded by these sellers.

 

[Taos]

@Twohorn God, I'm really sorry. Stupid question, and I expect you've checked, but could you confirm... Did you get A/D addresses from the April 2021 PPH? Check with other members? How recent are these purchases?

Tinfoil: I have often wondered if the "one bottle breaking" from A is sometimes deliberate lol. That seems more likely than what you've experienced, why would either of A/D risk their reps like that? I know nothing about C.

 

[HopelessFight]

I would like to report findings, having tested bottles of 'N' from both Mexican suppliers, D and A. Oddly, both orders had completely identical packaging, leading me to believe that the two Mexican suppliers are possibly the same person, or are at least closely linked in some way.

Unfortunately, the Exit International test cassettes found no barbiturates in bottles from either supplier.

Samples were sent to Energy Control for GC/MS testing. They were eventually able to identify the sole active substance in each liquid was GBL, confirming no barbiturates were present.
GBL may be useful for self deliverance, but it is certainly an inferior substitute for N, and if one did want to choose this substance they would certainly be able to find it far more cheaply elsewhere.

I have also tested powder 'N' from the supplier known as C, which was found to be no more than paracetamol.

Perhaps these suppliers are simply 'selective scammers', and others are more fortunate than me in obtaining genuine product, but based on my experience I would not recommend that anyone hand over the considerable sums demanded by these sellers.

This gets me worried now. The bottles look exactly like on the photo's and D sent conclusive proof he indeed owns Nembutal. That product costs them next to nothing, so I wonder why they would send GBL in sealed bottles that look exactly like N bottles? How recent were these purchases and in addition, what would happen if you drink 200ml of GBL instead of N?

 

[Thiopentone31]

Oh shit this made me really worried

 

[Dolunay]

Wow. At this point, I guess my death will be caused by a heart attack, and not by N! Good to know.

 

[Thiopentone31]

I would like to report findings, having tested bottles of 'N' from both Mexican suppliers, D and A. Oddly, both orders had completely identical packaging, leading me to believe that the two Mexican suppliers are possibly the same person, or are at least closely linked in some way.

Unfortunately, the Exit International test cassettes found no barbiturates in bottles from either supplier.

Samples were sent to Energy Control for GC/MS testing. They were eventually able to identify the sole active substance in each liquid was GBL, confirming no barbiturates were present.
GBL may be useful for self deliverance, but it is certainly an inferior substitute for N, and if one did want to choose this substance they would certainly be able to find it far more cheaply elsewhere.

I have also tested powder 'N' from the supplier known as C, which was found to be no more than paracetamol.

Perhaps these suppliers are simply 'selective scammers', and others are more fortunate than me in obtaining genuine product, but based on my experience I would not recommend that anyone hand over the considerable sums demanded by these sellers.

can you provide a proof of the analysis from EC if it is anonymous? It is very important to all of us

 

[Twohorn]

@Twohorn God, I'm really sorry. Stupid question, and I expect you've checked, but could you confirm... Did you get A/D addresses from the April 2021 PPH? Check with other members? How recent are these purchases?

Tinfoil: I have often wondered if the "one bottle breaking" from A is sometimes deliberate lol. That seems more likely than what you've experienced, why would either of A/D risk their reps like that? I know nothing about C.

Yes, I was aware of the fake email addresses being circulated and checked carefully the names matched across multiple versions of the PPH I have access to. The orders were made in March.

can you provide a proof of the analysis from EC if it is anonymous? It is very important to all of us

I have attached one of the PDF reports from EC (the two are essentially the same). I hope this is helpful.

 

[HopelessFight]

Yes, I was aware of the fake email addresses being circulated and checked carefully the names matched across multiple versions of the PPH I have access to. The orders were made in March.


I have attached one of the PDF reports from EC (the two are essentially the same). I hope this is helpful.

How did you manage to get it tested in a professional lab? Do you work in that business or something? To get it tested, you need to own the products from A, D and C first. So did you purchase it and wasted a lot of money, just for testing?

A has been listed in the PPH for years and no one ever posted the claim there's no N in the bottles. My apologies for being sceptical, but how do you suddenly know all of this? The bottles look identical as real N bottles, with the same metal cap for a syinge.

 

[Twohorn]

How did you manage to get it tested in a professional lab? Do you work in that business or something? To get it tested, you need to own the products from A, D and C first. So did you purchase it and wasted a lot of money, just for testing?

Energy Control are a harm reduction organization mainly targeting recreational drug users. Barbiturates are no longer available as street drugs, but they are still able to test for them to prevent possible harm to suicidal people through consuming unknown substances. I did pay the full price demanded to all 3 of these sellers with the intention of using the product if it was genuine.

This gets me worried now. The bottles look exactly like on the photo's and D sent conclusive proof he indeed owns Nembutal. That product costs them next to nothing, so I wonder why they would send GBL in sealed bottles that look exactly like N bottles? How recent were these purchases and in addition, what would happen if you drink 200ml of GBL instead of N?

I'm not especially knowledgeable about GBL so would like to hear from anyone else on this topic, but I believe 200ml would be easily capable of causing death, however this substance is known to cause nausea, so the risk of vomiting would be a significant challenge, even with use of antiemetics.

 

[watchingthewheels]

I guess this all begs the question, now, if anyone has recently/successful CTB with N from these sellers...

 

[HopelessFight]

Energy Control are a harm reduction organization mainly targeting recreational drug users. Barbiturates are no longer available as street drugs, but they are still able to test for them to prevent possible harm to suicidal people through consuming unknown substances. I did pay the full price demanded to all 3 of these sellers with the intention of using the product if it was genuine.

So it's not you, but an organisation who bought the substances from the different sellers? Does this organisation have a report or something, or how do you know about it? Are you an employee?

 

[Twohorn]

So it's not you, but an organisation who bought the substances from the different sellers? Does this organisation have a report or something, or how do you know about it? Are you an employee?

Sorry, I think there has been a misunderstanding. I bought these substances on my own and just submitted them to Energy Control for testing. I'm not officially associated with them in any way.

 

[suicidesheep31]

I am becoming paranoiac now. But as it is to prevent suicide, is it possible that they lie about it.
Does someone with N can get it tested by an other organization? It will help I guess.
I really don't get the point of International exit to provide these suppliers as genuine.

 

[Taos]

@Twohorn "Yes, I was aware of the fake email addresses being circulated and checked carefully the names matched across multiple versions of the PPH I have access to. The orders were made in March."

What does bolded mean? From this site?

I should add, I wrote April PPH, but it should have been March PPH. I believe the March PPH was uploaded to SS in April? Someone correct me. If accurate, then you likely emailed Jan 2021 addresses? Yes? I believe there were fake addresses in older PPH's uploaded here, and they have since been taken down. So... ?

We really need you to investigate this.

 

[watchingthewheels]

@Twohorn "Yes, I was aware of the fake email addresses being circulated and checked carefully the names matched across multiple versions of the PPH I have access to. The orders were made in March."

What does bolded mean? From this site?

I should add, I wrote April PPH, but it should have been March PPH. I believe the March PPH was uploaded to SS in April? Someone correct me. If accurate, then you likely emailed Jan 2021 addresses? Yes? I believe there were fake addresses in older PPH's uploaded here, and they have since been taken down. So... ?

We really need you to investigate this.

 

[Twohorn]

Taos, I've messaged you with the emails I used.

 

[HopelessFight]

I'm really worried/confused. The bottles look legit, exactly like on the photo's I've seen. They have these metal caps for a syringe and D sent conclusive proof he indeed owns N, so I wonder why he would ship something else, considering the price of N is very cheap in Mexico.

In addition, A has been listed in the PPH for years. Someone must have reported the Nembutal Test Kit offered by Exit shows a negative result.

Why did you decide to order from both A, D and C just for testing as an individual? That sounds risky (customs) and extremely expensive.

 

[RedHarlequin]

Oh fuck. Maybe someone who has access to exit international forum could get in touch and ask them wtf is going on.

 

[watchingthewheels]

For reference on the testing site: In case there was a mistake, etc:

DISCLAIMER: Our drug testing service is specifically designed for final users. The results we offer are only valid if the sample used is from the exact same batch as the sample analyzed. As such, none of our results should be used as a quality guarantee from any drug vendor or product. Energy Control declines all responsibility in this sense.

this seems to be their website...I don't know how official they are, or legit...

International Energy Control |

energycontrol-international.org