S

Sweetfa

Member
Feb 17, 2020
77
I understand. Those are the same fears I have. There's no rush to go through with this. You can always think it over and make sure this is what you want to do.

I know it's what I want to do I just don't want to feel scared whilst I'm doing it lol

It won't fail
It may hurt a bit (take something to ease aftertaste)
Oh , cant answer about that death thingy , lol :wink: :kiss:

You can take it whenever you want . You can call emergency services and get rescued after as well . Or not , and end it . You really can do whatever you want whenever you want . :heart:

How hurt? Taste isn't a problem I don't think, I get salt cravings so should taste good to me once I actually drink it.

Wishing I had stronger pain killers now you say it hurts though, resources mentioned discomfort but not pain. I guess when I get the guts, I'll let you know.
Absolutely can't call emergency services afterwards, then life would be even worse than it is now.

All or nothing.
 
  • Hugs
Reactions: highlyvolatile, Quarky00 and GoodPersonEffed
Quarky00

Quarky00

Enlightened
Dec 17, 2019
1,956
I know it's what I want to do I just don't want to feel scared whilst I'm doing it lol
Lol , like all of us . "Peaceful"
Next ctb with strong ant anxiety pills :wink:


Wishing I had stronger pain killers now you say it hurts
SN does not "hurt" (as in pain) -- I meant the normal symptoms: headache , burning , etc

You don't need stronger painkillers, I think :hug:

Understand that part about emergency services complicating stuff (though if done right might give you more help/assistance- but I guess now is not the perfect time to discuss that lol).

Yeah I it's just waiting now . Still playing with glass? It is scary :heart: You're very cool and open and honest , really enjoy this conversation :kiss:
 
autumnal

autumnal

Enlightened
Feb 4, 2020
1,950
You will know when you are ready to take that final step. If you don't know whether you are ready, then you probably aren't.

Kind of like this...

1767153-Deborah-Moggach-Quote-Everything-will-be-alright-in-the-end-so-if.jpg

[...] What if there's something after death worse even than this life?

Not to sound too flippant, but from everything about your condition and lifestyle you've described in this thread, it would taken an awful lot for anything to be worse than your current quality of life :I
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: WEASEL1234
S

Sweetfa

Member
Feb 17, 2020
77
Fell asleep, still trying. Have to start protocol all over again. But will wait until I'm sure I can battle the fear. Or another method, I tried with insulin before but got found, that was painless.
 
  • Hugs
Reactions: Lunaloveflood and Lutembëe
D

Deleted member 1465

_
Jul 31, 2018
6,914
Fell asleep, still trying. Have to start protocol all over again. But will wait until I'm sure I can battle the fear. Or another method, I tried with insulin before but got found, that was painless.
You must be so frustrated, I'm so sorry. Part of me wants to beg you to stop punishing yourself, but you've been through so much and its your choice. I know its a cliche by now and seems so empty, but we are here for you whatever you decide.
 
  • Love
Reactions: Lunaloveflood
S

Sweetfa

Member
Feb 17, 2020
77
I actually do feel like I'm punishing myself.

I don't know what to do, scared to be here, scared to die too.

I'm letting everyone down being here, my kids have nobody but me, I have no family. But my kids are in care because I can't look after them without help which is lacking.

Adult care services promise help at home but they never follow through with the right help I need to get my kids home.

They've promised aids and adaptions, said they'll speak to my doctor to get me the right medication, said they'll get a life line for if I faint when I'm alone, said they'll refer to mental health team, said they'll get me a carer. But I've heard it all before too many times to even believe this now.

If I got the right help things would be different but lack of resources and funding cuts means hands are tied.

I try to build positive events, went to the cinema valentines and had to leave 30 minutes in due to pain, lethargy and my gut issues. There's no means to have a quality of life, to do positive activities anymore. My life is nothing but appointments, trying to recover from all the appointments and more appointments. I'm so tired.
 
  • Love
Reactions: highlyvolatile, Quarky00, Lutembëe and 1 other person
autumnal

autumnal

Enlightened
Feb 4, 2020
1,950
Fell asleep, still trying. Have to start protocol all over again. But will wait until I'm sure I can battle the fear. Or another method, I tried with insulin before but got found, that was painless.

Insulin is good in theory but very difficult in practice, see this thread and my links within it for information.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sweetfa
D

Deleted member 1465

_
Jul 31, 2018
6,914
I actually do feel like I'm punishing myself.

I don't know what to do, scared to be here, scared to die too.

I'm letting everyone down being here, my kids have nobody but me, I have no family. But my kids are in care because I can't look after them without help which is lacking.

Adult care services promise help at home but they never follow through with the right help I need to get my kids home.

They've promised aids and adaptions, said they'll speak to my doctor to get me the right medication, said they'll get a life line for if I faint when I'm alone, said they'll refer to mental health team, said they'll get me a carer. But I've heard it all before too many times to even believe this now.

If I got the right help things would be different but lack of resources and funding cuts means hands are tied.

I try to build positive events, went to the cinema valentines and had to leave 30 minutes in due to pain, lethargy and my gut issues. There's no means to have a quality of life, to do positive activities anymore. My life is nothing but appointments, trying to recover from all the appointments and more appointments. I'm so tired.
Scared to live and scared to die. Yes, I can certainly see that. Me too. Its awful.
Believe me, I can relate. People don't get that you reach this situation ONLY because you've tried everything else countless times and all the promises of help don't materialise. 'There is help out there.' No, not always. There are empty promises of help out there, certainly. Once they've made the promise they feel their job is done and they can move on.
You went to the cinema! Obvious you are still desperately trying, even though its all stacked against you. If you decide you want to fight on, all you can do is try to out-think and out manoeuvre any who would stand in your way, to be relentless and keep on at them. This is THE hardest thing to do because you are at your weakest and alone against an impenetrable system full of fake hope. If you can do this then that is a mark of real courage.
Yeah, my life is appointments too, then recovering, they don't realise that some diagnostics are actually harmful and traumatic. It is exhausting and just makes you want to give up.
:hug:
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: highlyvolatile, enjolras, Lunaloveflood and 2 others
S

Sweetfa

Member
Feb 17, 2020
77
Scared to live and scared to die. Yes, I can certainly see that. Me too. Its awful.
Believe me, I can relate. People don't get that you reach this situation ONLY because you've tried everything else countless times and all the promises of help don't materialise. 'There is help out there.' No, not always. There are empty promises of help out there, certainly. Once they've made the promise they feel their job is done and they can move on.
You went to the cinema! Obvious you are still desperately trying, even though its all stacked against you. If you decide you want to fight on, all you can do is try to out-think and out manoeuvre any who would stand in your way, to be relentless and keep on at them. This is THE hardest thing to do because you are at your weakest and alone against an impenetrable system full of fake hope. If you can do this then that is a mark of real courage.
Yeah, my life is appointments too, then recovering, they don't realise that some diagnostics are actually harmful and traumatic. It is exhausting and just makes you want to give up.
:hug:


All of this! Thank you, you get it!

I have called doctors numerous times, written to them, contacted PALS, fighting to get even basic medication that my consultant told my doctor to prescribe seems impossible. And as you say, fighting when you're already weak and unwell can be too hard. I've been fighting for one basic drug since June last year when my consultant wrote to my doctor asking him to prescribe. When I went to the doctor he pulled the letter up on the screen so I know he's had it, but since then he's denied having that letter. Even after a formal diagnosis they still won't help me. If diagnosis doesn't even push them to help, what will? Nothing.

I feel like I'm treated like a hypochondriac or drug seeker despite having had a heart attack and coronary dissection and despite formal diagnosis and despite the fact that the drugs I'm asking for can't give any kind of a high and can be bought over the counter (only sell in packets of 8 and I need 20 a day).

The pharmacy refuse to reorder my repeats that don't come in a dosset box so expect me to go to my doctors surgery weekly to reorder and pick up myself from the surgery and then get the dosset box from them separately every week when I'm shattered and can barely stand up after a week full of appointments and travelling.

The pharmacy talk to my personal assistant like dirt and even when I finally get a prescription from the doctors for the medication at 20 a day (once in a blue moon), they refuse to dispense them, telling her that's too many and I shouldn't be taking that many, even though my consultant has said to take that many and the gp prescribed that many.

The medication is to stop the chronic diarrhea or at least slow it down. They constantly quiz her as to who she is and why I'm not collecting the medication myself (well because I'm exhausted from no sleep, lots of appointments and having constant diarrhea, being dehydrated and my electrolytes being out of whack! Maybe if they gave me my medication I would feel well enough to go to the pharmacy myself!)

I feel like they all want me to end my life as I'm too much of a financial burden on the state and that's why they are being so obstructive.

I feel like adult care services and children's care services are doing the same, trying to push me over the edge, maybe that's paranoia but it feels like it.

When I moved here as high medical priority I told them I needed practical support for the move, unable to do it all by myself and they refused any help and then took my children when I was unable to do it all.

The chronically sick and disabled persons act 1970 puts a legal duty on social services to provide the help needed so that my children remain at home, yet I was outright refused and then they took them causing further harm to me and them.

I have been fighting to have them returned ever since and fought to get that help needed in order to make that happen but just always faced with walls in front of me preventing me from getting help in entitled to which they themselves have admitted I'm entitled to yet isn't forthcoming.

I told myself I would keep fighting until the final hearing so at least I and they knew I tried right up until no hope was left, but the closer that date gets still with no help in sight, the more hope I lose of their return. I watch them struggle separated in the care system telling me it's been too long and they want to come home, I wouldn't mind as much if they had been placed together or if we had family to have them, but this is torturous.

I feel helpless, I feel like I have failed as a mother and a human being, I feel that my life was wasted, all my dreams taken a long time ago and all I had left was to make my children's lives better than my own and even that was taken away. I feel that without them, there's nothing at all left as a reason to continue to tolerate the never ending suffering.

Yes I have continued to fight, to try to change things, to build positive events and a reason to live despite all the suffering, to try to maintain friendships, to be love, to plan for a future I can't imagine happening. Every day doing something toward that impossible future. Only yesterday I still bought a mindfulness journal, I continue to try to practice wellbeing and self care skills like somehow it can make a difference. I continue going to therapy even though it feels like additional hell reliving all the trauma but waiting for that breakthrough moment that all that falls away because I faced it and come through the other side but it escapes me.

I continue to run a non profit organisation and help others (for a sense of meaning and purpose) I still tell myself daily affirmations but I don't believe them anymore.

I am burnt out through how hard I have tried to change my mindset, how hard I worked to give myself a reason to tolerate the suffering and pain, how hard I have fought to get the help I need, how hard I work at self care and getting to appointments for treatment and diagnostics, how hard I have worked to get the house sorted. Even maintaining a wellbeing regime is exhausting (washing, eating, drinking).

All without help, all alone. I reached out, people know how low I am feeling right now, they know I bought the SN (though don't know I've attempted to use it) (friends, doctors, nurse, social services, therapist) yet I'm still here running on a hamster wheel and sucked into a void.

They say we can only help ourselves, only save ourselves, but it seems to be an excuse to remove self accountability. I don't mean my friends when I say that but professionals. I know they can only do so much but when they do nothing and there are basic care needs being neglected by the professionals then what am I meant to do? If I can't afford to pay for a carer myself and I can't afford the 20 a day otc medication and I'm being forced into therapy that I have to self fund...

I've run out of options and ways to improve my quality of life. I can't see any light at the end of a dark tunnel, I lost all hope, all dreams, helpless and hopeless, beyond my own control.

And since starting therapy the flashbacks are rolling in too making me feel unsafe all the time, like I don't need to worry about someone breaking into my home or going out and having something bad happen because it all happens right here even when I lock myself away from the world. It might not be 'real' but it was real and it still feels real when the flashbacks occur, the full body sensations my nerve endings can feel, feel real, the things I see, look real, the taste, smell... All appear real in the now regardless of whether they ended a long time ago.

And the emotions they invoke are certainly real. Haunted by the memories, haunted by ghosts of those who are still living, by what they did.

Full traumatic living each day feels like new traumas. Ongoing trauma.

Sorry :(
 
  • Love
  • Hugs
  • Like
Reactions: enjolras, Deleted member 1465, WEASEL1234 and 2 others
D

Deleted member 1465

_
Jul 31, 2018
6,914
You really are doing everything you can and then some. There's certainly no need to apologise, I read all that with interest. It makes me so angry that they say they will help then refuse, all because of some arrogant doctor in the chain who won't comply. Yes, I've encountered this too and they don't/won't/can't do anything about it. In my old job, when I encountered a brick wall like that, then I went through it or round it or under it. I never just accepted it or I would have gotten fired. The professionals just accept it and say 'not my job'. And they are doctors!
And there is always a danger in kicking up a fuss because you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you. They have you backed into a corner. Mmmm... I remember when they did this to me over my mum's CHC funding case. So I cheated. I went to NHS England with evidence of obfuscation and their governing body gave them a bollocking. There is also the Parliamentary and Health Ombudsman or even your local MP surgery. But ofc this takes gargantuan effort when you are at your weakest. You really need someone to advocate for you. There is an NHS Advocacy service via the local council but I think this is really for mental health patients who cannot speak for themselves easily and I doubt TBH it would be much good.
I'm starting to be in a similar position. I'm going to have to try to manipulate the professionals using passive aggressive psychological and interrogation techniques. I don't want to do this as I think its dishonourable but fuck em, its my life. And its a really difficult line to walk too.
I wish I could give you better advice. All I can say is I'm on your side.
 
S

Sweetfa

Member
Feb 17, 2020
77
You really are doing everything you can and then some. There's certainly no need to apologise, I read all that with interest. It makes me so angry that they say they will help then refuse, all because of some arrogant doctor in the chain who won't comply. Yes, I've encountered this too and they don't/won't/can't do anything about it. In my old job, when I encountered a brick wall like that, then I went through it or round it or under it. I never just accepted it or I would have gotten fired. The professionals just accept it and say 'not my job'. And they are doctors!
And there is always a danger in kicking up a fuss because you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you. They have you backed into a corner. Mmmm... I remember when they did this to me over my mum's CHC funding case. So I cheated. I went to NHS England with evidence of obfuscation and their governing body gave them a bollocking. There is also the Parliamentary and Health Ombudsman or even your local MP surgery. But ofc this takes gargantuan effort when you are at your weakest. You really need someone to advocate for you. There is an NHS Advocacy service via the local council but I think this is really for mental health patients who cannot speak for themselves easily and I doubt TBH it would be much good.
I'm starting to be in a similar position. I'm going to have to try to manipulate the professionals using passive aggressive psychological and interrogation techniques. I don't want to do this as I think its dishonourable but fuck em, its my life. And its a really difficult line to walk too.
I wish I could give you better advice. All I can say is I'm on your side.
Thank you, I guess I could try going above their heads, just don't feel able to right now.
 
  • Hugs
  • Like
Reactions: Deleted member 1465 and Quarky00
Quarky00

Quarky00

Enlightened
Dec 17, 2019
1,956
Healthcare is becoming harmful.

Malpractice is common practice.

It is a social cancer. And it kills us slowly.

Dire state of affairs and systematic abuse. Leads people to die.

I won't be surprised of a social wave where doctors are targeted/assaulted by patients. I see it happening (not condoning violence yada yada).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sweetfa
S

Sweetfa

Member
Feb 17, 2020
77
Healthcare is becoming harmful.

Malpractice is common practice.

It is a social cancer. And it kills us slowly.

Dire state of affairs and systematic abuse. Leads people to die.

I won't be surprised of a social wave where doctors are targeted/assaulted by patients. I see it happening (not condoning violence yada yada).

First they sanction the disabled, I'm lucky that hasn't happened to me yet, then they get the doctors to refuse medication, treatment and make access difficult.

Eugenics.
So my other guy friend came and cooked for me then proposed I help him with a website for a commune type thing he wants to set up. His idea is that I'll come live on this commune, I help in the ways I can and the commune all help me.

I guess maybe.. Not in my timescale.
 
Last edited:
D

Deleted member 1465

_
Jul 31, 2018
6,914
So my other guy friend came and cooked for me then proposed I help him with a website for a commune type thing he wants to set up. His idea is that I'll come live on this commune, I help in the ways I can and the commune all help me.
That's pretty cool, I wish i had that too. How are you doing today?
 
S

Sweetfa

Member
Feb 17, 2020
77
Just really tired now, he took me to a transcendental meditation thing last night.

Just an intro but wants me to sign up to go do the course. I have hypnotherapy this Wednesday coming and my usual therapy the same day in the evening.

I cancelled contact with my son yesterday as was not feeling well after the weekend. Now I'm missing him.

My other friend said he'll come visit Tuesday next week and stop over the night.

I've got a friend coming later today too, said he'll put the flat pack furniture together for me. And my personal assistant is due today too.

I just want to sleep, I've got over the break up and realised that it's all like a comedy show, he's acting like a child and dawned on me this isn't the kinda guy I want to be with anyway. The male friends I have treat me better than the boyfriend I had lol they'll come help me sort my head, cook me a meal, take me to meditation, fix stuff around the house etc.. And he's never done a thing for me.
 
  • Hugs
Reactions: Deleted member 1465
D

Deleted member 1465

_
Jul 31, 2018
6,914
The friends you have sound like a real blessing. I'd love to have friends that would look out for me like that. And I suspect you may have the right attitude to the boyfriend thing.
 

Similar threads

DeadNotSleeping
Replies
8
Views
256
Suicide Discussion
DeadNotSleeping
DeadNotSleeping
hematomatema
Replies
11
Views
709
Suicide Discussion
hematomatema
hematomatema
shadow999
Replies
3
Views
367
Suicide Discussion
nasigoreng99
N
N
Replies
6
Views
341
Offtopic
noname223
N