My Nitrogen Setup

[SomewhereAlongThe]

I'm making this post for all of those who are curious about the Nitrogen method.

Introduction:

I'm from Canada, and personally I spent about $900 dollars on this method, including a refill and not including the $300 dollars the welding shop kept as a security deposit.
The reason I spent so much money is because I had to pay for transportation to and from the gas shop as well, and I went there multiple times.
I also had to buy a couple of wrenches which almost costed me a hundred dollars. I needed a chair as well and that costed me $79 dollars.

Depending on where you're from and what you do, it may not cost you $900 like it did for me.

I bought a cheap regulator on amazon and it wouldn't stop leaking, so instead I purchased an expensive regulator and it does not disappoint. Though, it has to be tightened well with a wrench. My regulator was the Miller Flow Gauge Argon regulator, 50 SCFH. Since it is an argon regulator, I personally did my research and found it should be set at 17 lpm. I found this information in the gas megathread. (https://www.sanctioned-suicide.net/...ert-gas-megathread.8393/page-176#post-2711877) Msvr did a test and I found it reliable. The bag inflates well, in about a minute, and when I tested it on a dummy's head it inflated well in about a minute as well.

I got the exit bag off of amazon, and I highly recommend Home Select Oven Bags (19 IN by 23 1/2 IN) as I ripped micropore tapped off of one of the bags and it didn't tear; for those of you worried the bags are so thin that they tear.

For the chair, I got a sturdy porch chair that reclines. You want to make sure your chair can recline.

For the restraints I used some of the elastic for the bag and tied it around the arm of the chair tightly, so that I could squeeze my wrists under. I also go a wheelchair belt to secure myself to the chair.




Important: CO2 is a problem. A big problem. It is recommended that you should stick with oxygen tubing. I suggest you don't deviate from that, because these people know best. However, I ended up getting PVC tubing with a 10mm(3/8") outer diameter. So it's bigger than oxygen tubing. I did this because I wanted a gap for the CO2 to go out of. People will say if you keep the bag loose CO2 shouldn't be a problem. However when experimenting with the bag I found that a snug fit meant it was cinched slightly around the neck, and the two finger rule can be confusing. Sometimes two fingers can fit but the bag is slightly tight around your fingers, should it not be? Okay if I loosen it and then test it on my dummy head, the bag doesn't fill up properly. So it needs to be cinched so that it's snug not tight. That to me means that you can fit two fingers underneath and run them along the hem of the bag without it feeling tight and restrictive but snug and firm, or "just right". Testing it should help you get a feel for it. Anyhow, the tubing leaves a gap and nitrogen escapes from that gap but on 17lpm the bag still inflated fully on the forehead and neck. I figured this small gap created by a 10mm tube will help enough CO2 escape along with whatever escapes from the hem of the bag. I say this because it does not seem to be enough just to have the bag snugly fit around the neck. This is just my preference, and how I thought about it, not a guide whatsoever. Another thing, since I got bigger tubing it weighed the bag down on one side, so to counter that I took a piece of the way too heavy tubing I got by mistake, and taped it on the other side of the bag.

The experience:

At first when getting the tank from the welding shop, I felt the sunshine on my face more intensely as I knew I was making the first step towards my death certain. I was very nervous, and I bet you will be too. I got to the shop and had no idea what I was doing. I brought a trolly I had bought off of Walmart to carry the cylinder in. Yet, when I looked, the cylinder I wanted was far too large to fit into the trolly. I also had to think about how to transport gas cylinders in stranger's cars (I was using Lyft which is like Uber). (For this: just leave a note for the driver, saying the tank is not oxygen and that it needs to be transported upright in the backseat. You can either sit with the tank between your legs in the backseat, and the uber driver will lift the passenger seat forward so there's space. Or buckle in the tank with a seatbelt and sit next to it.) So I was under pressure, no pun intended. I also had to time when I was going to get the tank as to be seen with it in my home by staff (I live in an adult group home) would be a different death wish.

So here I am at the shop, clueless as to what to do since the cylinder I thought I needed was too big to fit into my trolly. The store associate was pressuring me, asking me where I am putting it and what I am going to use it for. I said laser cutting, which was a huge mistake because the cylinders need to be huge for laser cutting. I got that excuse off of someone on this site :/ Please be careful following advice on this site, it's not always reliable. I ended up having to cover up my mistake by saying I mixed up what I thought my boyfriend was doing with the cylinders. If you're a girl, I recommend saying you're getting it for your boyfriend. Even then I was lucky they weren't suspicious. I had to go all the way back home and come back again after I had done my research and went with a 55 scf tank that fit in the trolly I got. Luckily not once, did any of the staff in my home see what I was up to.

The entire process had me very anxious but relieved once I got the tank. I ended up testing with the tank aimlessly for the course of a year, ran out of gas and had to do the entire process of going there again. When I got back (again undetected...heheh stealth mode) I tried opening the tank but I couldn't. The valve was stuck and there was so much conflicting information on not using a wrench on the valve. So I was doomed and thought I'd have to do the entire process again. Sneaking out, is not easy. Yet I kept trying with my hand and a towel and voila! It opened and worked.

When I got my first regulator I was nervous. I had no idea how to use a regulator but stupidly attached it to the tank and used it anyway. Please watch a video and see how they use it, don't be like me. Also, when you turn off the gas you have to adjust the regulator to let out the excess gas. I got the hang of it, but my regulator was leaking so badly, no matter how much I tightened it. I honestly thought it was the end for me, I live off of disability, how would I get another regulator? I was determined. I returned that regulator and got the miller one. This time, tightening it was the only issue in terms of leaks.

Constructing the exit bag was hell. Threading the elastic through the plastic bag was the difficult part. I recommend using a method to do this as I just kept pushing the elastic along. I used tweezers at the end to pull the elastic through. Make sure your elastic will fit your toggle. I tied a knot with the elastic to make sure the elastic was in line. I don't have any doubts regarding the exit bag, it crinkles a lot but it's sturdy and doesn't tear.

I've been practicing the tightness on the bag for a while now. I'll put the bag over my head and tighten the toggle exactly the same way each time (I count with Mississippi's) Then I'll pull it up to my forehead, start hyperventilating and on the last breath I breathe out completely and hold it - pull the bag down adjust the toggle a bit, and then breathe in deeply.

Conclusion:

I honestly think all the trouble was worth it. I have successfully built a working exit bag. It has been my dream to die this way. I don't know if my experience will help any of you guys, but I hope it does. I haven't left a suicide note irl, or a goodbye thread because I don't think it's worth it but I leave you guys with this. Tonight I will be having my last meal, and trying out my setup with hopes of death and relief from this world.

 

[NegevChina]

Thank you for your detailed post. Ive been reading your posts for a while now and learned a lot from you.
I will surely miss you.
As time goes by there are less and less of us here.
I wish you peace and success what ever happens and a smooth journey!
Can I ask how you've got the courage to make the decision to do it tonight? Ive been struggling for months on setting my date with the same method...

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

I wish you a wonderful journey that brings you immense serenity. Thank you for everything.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Thank you for your detailed post. Ive been reading your posts for a while now and learned a lot from you.
I will surely miss you.
As time goes by there are less and less of us here.
I wish you peace and success what ever happens and a smooth journey!
Can I ask how you've got the courage to make the decision to do it tonight? Ive been struggling for months on setting my date with the same method...

Thank you so much Negev, I also learnt a lot from reading your posts.

Originally, I set my date for October 21st, or around then. Yet, waking up, knowing I have a way to leave and knowing my exit bag is working, really made me just want to end it the day of. I guess what gives me courage is utter hopelessness. If you have hope still, it'll show. I tell myself it'll be over, and that I'm just "turning off the engine". If you also don't have faith in your method, it's going to be really hard. It's better you upgrade to scuba or the hood, before you try and force it. If it helps the reason why I have faith in my method is because I tested it (dangerous!!!) and felt the gas working, and while that doesn't determine how the exit bag itself will work, I simply assure myself that everything will go as planned. There's nothing else you can do, because not reassuring yourself can lead to failure from an aborted attempt. You really have to psychologically manipulate yourself into doing this. I have wine and chocolate. I plan on drinking enough to feel buzzed. I'm also going to listen to some good music, dance around my room, make funny faces... Today is it. No pressure, you just have to know you're ready to die.

 

[NegevChina]

Thank you so much Negev, I also learnt a lot from reading your posts.

Originally, I set my date for October 21st, or around then. Yet, waking up, knowing I have a way to leave and knowing my exit bag is working, really made me just want to end it the day of. I guess what gives me courage is utter hopelessness. If you have hope still, it'll show. I tell myself it'll be over, and that I'm just "turning off the engine". If you also don't have faith in your method, it's going to be really hard. It's better you upgrade to scuba or the hood, before you try and force it. If it helps the reason why I have faith in my method is because I tested it (dangerous!!!) and felt the gas working, and while that doesn't determine how the exit bag itself will work, I simply assure myself that everything will go as planned. There's nothing else you can do, because not reassuring yourself can lead to failure from an aborted attempt. You really have to psychologically manipulate yourself into doing this. I have wine and chocolate. I plan on drinking enough to feel buzzed. I'm also going to listen to some good music, dance around my room, make funny faces... Today is it. No pressure, you just have to know you're ready to die.

Thanks so much for replying!
Have a good time and happy journey, I hope the wine is good
Your spirit is admirable and inspires me!
No matter what happens, I wish you the best!

 

[iamanavalanche]

im going to miss you !! it is always a joy to see you in chat i wish you the peace you truly deserve. i hope you know how much ive appreciated being seen by you.

 

[SoulWantsHome]

I'm making this post for all of those who are curious about the Nitrogen method.

Introduction:

I'm from Canada, and personally I spent about $900 dollars on this method, including a refill and not including the $300 dollars the welding shop kept as a security deposit.
The reason I spent so much money is because I had to pay for transportation to and from the gas shop as well, and I went there multiple times.
I also had to buy a couple of wrenches which almost costed me a hundred dollars. I needed a chair as well and that costed me $79 dollars.

Depending on where you're from and what you do, it may not cost you $900 like it did for me.

I bought a cheap regulator on amazon and it wouldn't stop leaking, so instead I purchased an expensive regulator and it does not disappoint. Though, it has to be tightened well with a wrench. My regulator was the Miller Flow Gauge Argon regulator, 50 SCFH. Since it is an argon regulator, I personally did my research and found it should be set at 17 lpm. I found this information in the gas megathread. (https://www.sanctioned-suicide.net/...ert-gas-megathread.8393/page-176#post-2711877) Msvr did a test and I found it reliable. The bag inflates well, in about a minute, and when I tested it on a dummy's head it inflated well in about a minute as well.

I got the exit bag off of amazon, and I highly recommend Home Select Oven Bags (19 IN by 23 1/2 IN) as I ripped micropore tapped off of one of the bags and it didn't tear; for those of you worried the bags are so thin that they tear.

For the chair, I got a sturdy porch chair that reclines. You want to make sure your chair can recline.

For the restraints I used some of the elastic for the bag and tied it around the arm of the chair tightly, so that I could squeeze my wrists under. I also go a wheelchair belt to secure myself to the chair.
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Important: CO2 is a problem. A big problem. It is recommended that you should stick with oxygen tubing. I suggest you don't deviate from that, because these people know best. However, I ended up getting PVC tubing with a 10mm(3/8") outer diameter. So it's bigger than oxygen tubing. I did this because I wanted a gap for the CO2 to go out of. People will say if you keep the bag loose CO2 shouldn't be a problem. However when experimenting with the bag I found that a snug fit meant it was cinched slightly around the neck, and the two finger rule can be confusing. Sometimes two fingers can fit but the bag is slightly tight around your fingers, should it not be? Okay if I loosen it and then test it on my dummy head, the bag doesn't fill up properly. So it needs to be cinched so that it's snug not tight. That to me means that you can fit two fingers underneath and run them along the hem of the bag without it feeling tight and restrictive but snug and firm, or "just right". Testing it should help you get a feel for it. Anyhow, the tubing leaves a gap and nitrogen escapes from that gap but on 17lpm the bag still inflated fully on the forehead and neck. I figured this small gap created by a 10mm tube will help enough CO2 escape along with whatever escapes from the hem of the bag. I say this because it does not seem to be enough just to have the bag snugly fit around the neck. This is just my preference, and how I thought about it, not a guide whatsoever. Another thing, since I got bigger tubing it weighed the bag down on one side, so to counter that I took a piece of the way too heavy tubing I got by mistake, and taped it on the other side of the bag.

The experience:

At first when getting the tank from the welding shop, I felt the sunshine on my face more intensely as I knew I was making the first step towards my death certain. I was very nervous, and I bet you will be too. I got to the shop and had no idea what I was doing. I brought a trolly I had bought off of Walmart to carry the cylinder in. Yet, when I looked, the cylinder I wanted was far too large to fit into the trolly. I also had to think about how to transport gas cylinders in stranger's cars (I was using Lyft which is like Uber). (For this: just leave a note for the driver, saying the tank is not oxygen and that it needs to be transported upright in the backseat. You can either sit with the tank between your legs in the backseat, and the uber driver will lift the passenger seat forward so there's space. Or buckle in the tank with a seatbelt and sit next to it.) So I was under pressure, no pun intended. I also had to time when I was going to get the tank as to be seen with it in my home by staff (I live in an adult group home) would be a different death wish.

So here I am at the shop, clueless as to what to do since the cylinder I thought I needed was too big to fit into my trolly. The store associate was pressuring me, asking me where I am putting it and what I am going to use it for. I said laser cutting, which was a huge mistake because the cylinders need to be huge for laser cutting. I got that excuse off of someone on this site :/ Please be careful following advice on this site, it's not always reliable. I ended up having to cover up my mistake by saying I mixed up what I thought my boyfriend was doing with the cylinders. If you're a girl, I recommend saying you're getting it for your boyfriend. Even then I was lucky they weren't suspicious. I had to go all the way back home and come back again after I had done my research and went with a 55 scf tank that fit in the trolly I got. Luckily not once, did any of the staff in my home see what I was up to.

The entire process had me very anxious but relieved once I got the tank. I ended up testing with the tank aimlessly for the course of a year, ran out of gas and had to do the entire process of going there again. When I got back (again undetected...heheh stealth mode) I tried opening the tank but I couldn't. The valve was stuck and there was so much conflicting information on not using a wrench on the valve. So I was doomed and thought I'd have to do the entire process again. Sneaking out, is not easy. Yet I kept trying with my hand and a towel and voila! It opened and worked.

When I got my first regulator I was nervous. I had no idea how to use a regulator but stupidly attached it to the tank and used it anyway. Please watch a video and see how they use it, don't be like me. Also, when you turn off the gas you have to adjust the regulator to let out the excess gas. I got the hang of it, but my regulator was leaking so badly, no matter how much I tightened it. I honestly thought it was the end for me, I live off of disability, how would I get another regulator? I was determined. I returned that regulator and got the miller one. This time, tightening it was the only issue in terms of leaks.

Constructing the exit bag was hell. Threading the elastic through the plastic bag was the difficult part. I recommend using a method to do this as I just kept pushing the elastic along. I used tweezers at the end to pull the elastic through. Make sure your elastic will fit your toggle. I tied a knot with the elastic to make sure the elastic was in line. I don't have any doubts regarding the exit bag, it crinkles a lot but it's sturdy and doesn't tear.

I've been practicing the tightness on the bag for a while now. I'll put the bag over my head and tighten the toggle exactly the same way each time (I count with Mississippi's) Then I'll pull it up to my forehead, start hyperventilating and on the last breath I breathe out completely and hold it - pull the bag down adjust the toggle a bit, and then breathe in deeply.

Conclusion:

I honestly think all the trouble was worth it. I have successfully built a working exit bag. It has been my dream to die this way. I don't know if my experience will help any of you guys, but I hope it does. I haven't left a suicide note irl, or a goodbye thread because I don't think it's worth it but I leave you guys with this. Tonight I will be having my last meal, and trying out my setup with hopes of death and relief from this world.

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Hey, SomewhereAlongThe.

I'm new here. And I don't know if you're still here - but I just wanted to say that I'm proud of you for having gone through all of this effort, and having managed to successfully construct the exit-bag, as well as put together the rest of your equipment. Well done!

I truly hope this method worked/works for you (as it seems like you truly wish to die) - and that you thereby get the peace and relief from this world, that you desire.

See you on the other side, some day... :)

 

[klantedklaw]

cool post, bookmarked for later

wishing you all the best

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

So unfortunately my method failed. :/

I was trying on my exit bag and I feeling around the hem when I felt a very large gap, one larger than I anticipated. So I got out my dummy head to test it again, and this time the bag was not fully inflating, which is weird since last time I remember it was? This kind of hose leaves a very large gap. The bag would only fully inflate if I cinched it tight. Which I cannot do when I'm ctbing, it has to be snug not tight.

It's official, use oxygen tubing. I ordered some off of amazon, and it's coming tomorrow. My only concerns with oxygen tubing is that it will not fill up the bag as quickly as this hose does. :( But other people use it and it seems to work just fine.

I'll keep you guys updated <3

 

[NegevChina]

So unfortunately my method failed. :/

I was trying on my exit bag and I feeling around the hem when I felt a very large gap, one larger than I anticipated. So I got out my dummy head to test it again, and this time the bag was not fully inflating, which is weird since last time I remember it was? This kind of hose leaves a very large gap. The bag would only fully inflate if I cinched it tight. Which I cannot do when I'm ctbing, it has to be snug not tight.

It's official, use oxygen tubing. I ordered some off of amazon, and it's coming tomorrow. My only concerns with oxygen tubing is that it will not fill up the bag as quickly as this hose does. :( But other people use it and it seems to work just fine.

I'll keep you guys updated <3

Thanks for posting!
Did you experience any light headed feeling, or any thing at all?

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Thanks for posting!
Did you experience any light headed feeling, or any thing at all?

Hey there, no I didn't actually use it yet. I just noticed the gap.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Update: So I ordered the oxygen tubing, and it seems to fill up the bag just fine. I used my dummy head to test it and the entire bag filled up in under a minute, I was surprised but it worked! The bag seems to stay inflated as well (without the gas turned on), which tells me not too much air is getting in. The oxygen tubing is tiny, and there's a tiny gap left because of it, but that doesn't seem to matter. It's good for the CO2 that needs to come out.

 

[TBONTB]

Update: So I ordered the oxygen tubing, and it seems to fill up the bag just fine. I used my dummy head to test it and the entire bag filled up in under a minute, I was surprised but it worked! The bag seems to stay inflated as well (without the gas turned on), which tells me not too much air is getting in. The oxygen tubing is tiny, and there's a tiny gap left because of it, but that doesn't seem to matter. It's good for the CO2 that needs to come out.

You are very thorough and careful..admirable to see

 

[Jason0941]

I'm making this post for all of those who are curious about the Nitrogen method.

Introduction:

I'm from Canada, and personally I spent about $900 dollars on this method, including a refill and not including the $300 dollars the welding shop kept as a security deposit.
The reason I spent so much money is because I had to pay for transportation to and from the gas shop as well, and I went there multiple times.
I also had to buy a couple of wrenches which almost costed me a hundred dollars. I needed a chair as well and that costed me $79 dollars.

Depending on where you're from and what you do, it may not cost you $900 like it did for me.

I bought a cheap regulator on amazon and it wouldn't stop leaking, so instead I purchased an expensive regulator and it does not disappoint. Though, it has to be tightened well with a wrench. My regulator was the Miller Flow Gauge Argon regulator, 50 SCFH. Since it is an argon regulator, I personally did my research and found it should be set at 17 lpm. I found this information in the gas megathread. (https://www.sanctioned-suicide.net/...ert-gas-megathread.8393/page-176#post-2711877) Msvr did a test and I found it reliable. The bag inflates well, in about a minute, and when I tested it on a dummy's head it inflated well in about a minute as well.

I got the exit bag off of amazon, and I highly recommend Home Select Oven Bags (19 IN by 23 1/2 IN) as I ripped micropore tapped off of one of the bags and it didn't tear; for those of you worried the bags are so thin that they tear.

For the chair, I got a sturdy porch chair that reclines. You want to make sure your chair can recline.

For the restraints I used some of the elastic for the bag and tied it around the arm of the chair tightly, so that I could squeeze my wrists under. I also go a wheelchair belt to secure myself to the chair.
View attachment 174763
View attachment 174764
View attachment 174765

Important: CO2 is a problem. A big problem. It is recommended that you should stick with oxygen tubing. I suggest you don't deviate from that, because these people know best. However, I ended up getting PVC tubing with a 10mm(3/8") outer diameter. So it's bigger than oxygen tubing. I did this because I wanted a gap for the CO2 to go out of. People will say if you keep the bag loose CO2 shouldn't be a problem. However when experimenting with the bag I found that a snug fit meant it was cinched slightly around the neck, and the two finger rule can be confusing. Sometimes two fingers can fit but the bag is slightly tight around your fingers, should it not be? Okay if I loosen it and then test it on my dummy head, the bag doesn't fill up properly. So it needs to be cinched so that it's snug not tight. That to me means that you can fit two fingers underneath and run them along the hem of the bag without it feeling tight and restrictive but snug and firm, or "just right". Testing it should help you get a feel for it. Anyhow, the tubing leaves a gap and nitrogen escapes from that gap but on 17lpm the bag still inflated fully on the forehead and neck. I figured this small gap created by a 10mm tube will help enough CO2 escape along with whatever escapes from the hem of the bag. I say this because it does not seem to be enough just to have the bag snugly fit around the neck. This is just my preference, and how I thought about it, not a guide whatsoever. Another thing, since I got bigger tubing it weighed the bag down on one side, so to counter that I took a piece of the way too heavy tubing I got by mistake, and taped it on the other side of the bag.

The experience:

At first when getting the tank from the welding shop, I felt the sunshine on my face more intensely as I knew I was making the first step towards my death certain. I was very nervous, and I bet you will be too. I got to the shop and had no idea what I was doing. I brought a trolly I had bought off of Walmart to carry the cylinder in. Yet, when I looked, the cylinder I wanted was far too large to fit into the trolly. I also had to think about how to transport gas cylinders in stranger's cars (I was using Lyft which is like Uber). (For this: just leave a note for the driver, saying the tank is not oxygen and that it needs to be transported upright in the backseat. You can either sit with the tank between your legs in the backseat, and the uber driver will lift the passenger seat forward so there's space. Or buckle in the tank with a seatbelt and sit next to it.) So I was under pressure, no pun intended. I also had to time when I was going to get the tank as to be seen with it in my home by staff (I live in an adult group home) would be a different death wish.

So here I am at the shop, clueless as to what to do since the cylinder I thought I needed was too big to fit into my trolly. The store associate was pressuring me, asking me where I am putting it and what I am going to use it for. I said laser cutting, which was a huge mistake because the cylinders need to be huge for laser cutting. I got that excuse off of someone on this site :/ Please be careful following advice on this site, it's not always reliable. I ended up having to cover up my mistake by saying I mixed up what I thought my boyfriend was doing with the cylinders. If you're a girl, I recommend saying you're getting it for your boyfriend. Even then I was lucky they weren't suspicious. I had to go all the way back home and come back again after I had done my research and went with a 55 scf tank that fit in the trolly I got. Luckily not once, did any of the staff in my home see what I was up to.

The entire process had me very anxious but relieved once I got the tank. I ended up testing with the tank aimlessly for the course of a year, ran out of gas and had to do the entire process of going there again. When I got back (again undetected...heheh stealth mode) I tried opening the tank but I couldn't. The valve was stuck and there was so much conflicting information on not using a wrench on the valve. So I was doomed and thought I'd have to do the entire process again. Sneaking out, is not easy. Yet I kept trying with my hand and a towel and voila! It opened and worked.

When I got my first regulator I was nervous. I had no idea how to use a regulator but stupidly attached it to the tank and used it anyway. Please watch a video and see how they use it, don't be like me. Also, when you turn off the gas you have to adjust the regulator to let out the excess gas. I got the hang of it, but my regulator was leaking so badly, no matter how much I tightened it. I honestly thought it was the end for me, I live off of disability, how would I get another regulator? I was determined. I returned that regulator and got the miller one. This time, tightening it was the only issue in terms of leaks.

Constructing the exit bag was hell. Threading the elastic through the plastic bag was the difficult part. I recommend using a method to do this as I just kept pushing the elastic along. I used tweezers at the end to pull the elastic through. Make sure your elastic will fit your toggle. I tied a knot with the elastic to make sure the elastic was in line. I don't have any doubts regarding the exit bag, it crinkles a lot but it's sturdy and doesn't tear.

I've been practicing the tightness on the bag for a while now. I'll put the bag over my head and tighten the toggle exactly the same way each time (I count with Mississippi's) Then I'll pull it up to my forehead, start hyperventilating and on the last breath I breathe out completely and hold it - pull the bag down adjust the toggle a bit, and then breathe in deeply.

Conclusion:

I honestly think all the trouble was worth it. I have successfully built a working exit bag. It has been my dream to die this way. I don't know if my experience will help any of you guys, but I hope it does. I haven't left a suicide note irl, or a goodbye thread because I don't think it's worth it but I leave you guys with this. Tonight I will be having my last meal, and trying out my setup with hopes of death and relief from this world.

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can I get a link to that nitrogen regulator?

 

[NellyGoes]

Update: So I ordered the oxygen tubing, and it seems to fill up the bag just fine. I used my dummy head to test it and the entire bag filled up in under a minute, I was surprised but it worked! The bag seems to stay inflated as well (without the gas turned on), which tells me not too much air is getting in. The oxygen tubing is tiny, and there's a tiny gap left because of it, but that doesn't seem to matter. It's good for the CO2 that needs to come out.

Just read over your thorough post, thanks so much for all the info! Was dismayed to read your first attempt failed though. :/

May I ask what size (ID/OD) your oxygen tubing is? I bought a few different pvc/silicone tubes on Amazon, the 1/4 had a lot of kinks. I liked the 3/8 (all ID/inside diameter) but after what you've written I'm worried the hole it'll leave from going into the bag may be too big?

Also, I'm curious, have you tried again? Have you moved your date? Or have you possibly succeeded…?

 

[bankai]

You're quite smart, OP. You have put a lot of thought and effort into this.Thanks for helping others with this post.

I wish you the best. You will be missed.

Also, I'm curious, have you tried again? Have you moved your date? Or have you possibly succeeded…?

They're still around. If you click on the username you can see the last seen time is just a few hours ago. And they've also updated that it failed in an earlier post.

 

[NellyGoes]

You're quite smart, OP. You have put a lot of thought and effort into this.Thanks for helping others with this post.

I wish you the best. You will be missed.

They're still around. If you click on the username you can see the last seen time is just a few hours ago. And they've also updated that it failed in an earlier post.

Do you know about the oxygen tubing?! I'm so confused.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Do you know about the oxygen tubing?! I'm so confused.

Hey there, I just got the standardized oxygen tubing like this: https://www.amazon.ca/ResOne-Purple..._bap_d_grid_rp_0_1_ec_pd_hp_d_atf_rp_1_t&th=1

And so far there's no kinks in the tubing, as it's designed to be kink resistant. The Oxygen tubing will fit a 1/4 barb, you may need to heat it up with some water to get it on there.

 

[NellyGoes]

Hey there, I just got the standardized oxygen tubing like this: https://www.amazon.ca/ResOne-Purple..._bap_d_grid_rp_0_1_ec_pd_hp_d_atf_rp_1_t&th=1

And so far there's no kinks in the tubing, as it's designed to be kink resistant. The Oxygen tubing will fit a 1/4 barb, you may need to heat it up with some water to get it on there.

Thank you so so much!! this is perfect I can order it and it arrives quickly. Thank you!

How are you doing now - have you postponed your date for now? Hope it's all going as you wish for yourself.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Just read over your thorough post, thanks so much for all the info! Was dismayed to read your first attempt failed though. :/

May I ask what size (ID/OD) your oxygen tubing is? I bought a few different pvc/silicone tubes on Amazon, the 1/4 had a lot of kinks. I liked the 3/8 (all ID/inside diameter) but after what you've written I'm worried the hole it'll leave from going into the bag may be too big?

Also, I'm curious, have you tried again? Have you moved your date? Or have you possibly succeeded…?

I'm glad I noticed how unusually large the gap was before I attempted it. The tubing I used was 10 mm and it left a gap in the bag bigger than my thumb when I leaned back. Then I went to test it on my dummy's head and the bag wouldn't inflate all the way. It was crazy.

The standard oxygen tubing ID/OD is 4.8 mm/ 6.4 mm although I'm not sure exactly what mine is. If a finger gap is left (you could easily inert your finger without stretching the gap) then it might be too big. My oxygen tubing leaves a gap on both sides of it, one side is bigger and my finger does not easily fit into it.

I haven't tried again, no. I'm just not ready yet as I was that Saturday. I'm waiting for a day where I'm ready to do this.

 

[NellyGoes]

The standard oxygen tubing ID/OD is 4.8 mm/ 6.4 mm although I'm not sure exactly what mine is. If a finger gap is left (you could easily inert your finger without stretching the gap) then it might be too big. My oxygen tubing leaves a gap on both sides of it, one side is bigger and my finger does not easily fit into it.

This is super helpful thank you.

I do wonder if one can maybe tape the tube at the opening hole with microtape or similar. Bc I'm confused why all the books (that I have) seem to suggest a 3/8 ID hose? They also both recommend vinyl/pvc, so strange. I wonder if the materials or manufacturing of these changed somehow.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

This is super helpful thank you.

I do wonder if one can maybe tape the tube at the opening hole with microtape or similar. Bc I'm confused why all the books (that I have) seem to suggest a 3/8 ID hose? They also both recommend vinyl/pvc, so strange. I wonder if the materials or manufacturing of these changed somehow.

No problem,

One user suggested wearing a polo cap, taping the tube to the polo cap (so it doesn't weigh down the bag and is independent from the bag) and clamping the gap where the tube is with a spring clamp. If my oxygen tubing didn't inflate properly, I was going to go with this method.

There are a few people who got PVC tubing in their setups and it was smaller than a 3/8 OD 10 mm hose I got. So that may work as well, again it's all about testing it too. If you put it on a dummy head and it doesn't inflate properly, that's a huge problem... you don't want to pass out with inflation problems occurring within the bag. A little gap is fine, even good for CO2, but you want the gas in the bag to be pushing ALL air out, inside the bag and outside of it.

Update: Not feeling ready to exit these days, so I'm just taking it easy. Everything is setup and ready to go for when I do. I will place my tank next to my bed frame railing, where I plan to zip tie the tank securely to the footing of my bed frame. My patio chair will be at the foot of my bed near the tank. Everything works together, the oxygen tubing is long enough so I'm not pulling on it when I lean back, and I will pull the exit bag through the gap in the chair's side so the tubing is tucked away from my hands.

I wanted to share a pic of the gap in my exit bag's hem from the tubing. I placed my exit bag on the dummy's head. As you can see the gap is not bigger than your thumb or finger, but it is there and will be a way for the CO2 to exit. When I inflate the bag it stays inflated and inflates in less than 2 minutes. When it's inflated the bag is pressurized and full. I would show you guys but I'm running low on gas and need the rest for my attempt.

Bye now :)

 

[NellyGoes]

Thank you so much @SomewhereAlongThe for the detail and pics! I'm sure everyone seeing this thread appreciates all your detail!

One user suggested wearing a polo cap, taping the tube to the polo cap (so it doesn't weigh down the bag and is independent from the bag) and clamping the gap where the tube is with a spring clamp. If my oxygen tubing didn't inflate properly, I was going to go with this method.

So this gave me something to think about. I had thought about doing a ball cap first but then wondered about how to fill the bag while I wear the hat. But…. Maybe I'll try taping it to the hat but then extend it far out/above into where the bag sits? I wonder if that'd be clumsy or smart... I don't love the idea of the tube being taped to the bag bc of possible dislodging. But then again, I guess that could also happen if it's at the hat.. ugh. Tricky that part.

Question for you RE seated position though: will your head be touching the chair's backrest or be completely above? If above, have you accounted for which way your head may drop once unconscious? This part worries me a lot when considering all that can happen when unconscious. Bc gravity tells us that our heads will 100% drop. Maybe it'd be smarter to touch the backrest a bit with the head huh, just to give it some hold there?

There are a few people who got PVC tubing in their setups and it was smaller than a 3/8 OD 10 mm hose I got. So that may work as well, again it's all about testing it too. If you put it on a dummy head and it doesn't inflate properly, that's a huge problem... you don't want to pass out with inflation problems occurring within the bag. A little gap is fine, even good for CO2, but you want the gas in the bag to be pushing ALL air out, inside the bag and outside of it.

I ran into a different problem with the tubing/size. I can't seem to find an adapter (fitting a 1/4 hose) now :// I had already had to hunt at like 4 different retailers for the 3/8 adapter. I think it's because the connector on my regulator/flowmeter (where the hose sits) is a bit unique. So… it looks like I may have to go ahead with the 3/8 (ID/ and I think 1/2 OD) tubing.. :/ I will try to do what you suggest with a clamp of some sort.

Update: Not feeling ready to exit these days, so I'm just taking it easy. Everything is setup and ready to go for when I do. I will place my tank next to my bed frame railing, where I plan to zip tie the tank securely to the footing of my bed frame. My patio chair will be at the foot of my bed near the tank. Everything works together, the oxygen tubing is long enough so I'm not pulling on it when I lean back, and I will pull the exit bag through the gap in the chair's side so the tubing is tucked away from my hands.

I'm glad you got everything set up and ready for when/if you feel like you need it. That's often already so helpful to people — to have the option ready and available. Now you can take your time and maybe even enjoy life a bit if you feel like it. :)

Thanks again for all your info and help! I really want to ctb very soon so I'm getting a bit nervous if I can get it all ready in time. But all your info has helped me a lot already!

 

[NellyGoes]

Now you can take your time and maybe even enjoy life a bit if you feel like it. :)

Btw @SomewhereAlongThe
I hope this sentence didn't offend you or anything. I had meant this as a "if you're able to enjoy at all". I wish we could all "simply" enjoy life but I know none of us would be here if we could. So I hope you didn't take offense to this bc I myself get a bit miffed when someone tells me "to enjoy life". (As it sounds dismissive of all the pain we have). I just hope you can live your remaining time as you wish.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Thank you so much @SomewhereAlongThe for the detail and pics! I'm sure everyone seeing this thread appreciates all your detail!


So this gave me something to think about. I had thought about doing a ball cap first but then wondered about how to fill the bag while I wear the hat. But…. Maybe I'll try taping it to the hat but then extend it far out/above into where the bag sits? I wonder if that'd be clumsy or smart... I don't love the idea of the tube being taped to the bag bc of possible dislodging. But then again, I guess that could also happen if it's at the hat.. ugh. Tricky that part.

Question for you RE seated position though: will your head be touching the chair's backrest or be completely above? If above, have you accounted for which way your head may drop once unconscious? This part worries me a lot when considering all that can happen when unconscious. Bc gravity tells us that our heads will 100% drop. Maybe it'd be smarter to touch the backrest a bit with the head huh, just to give it some hold there?


I ran into a different problem with the tubing/size. I can't seem to find an adapter (fitting a 1/4 hose) now :// I had already had to hunt at like 4 different retailers for the 3/8 adapter. I think it's because the connector on my regulator/flowmeter (where the hose sits) is a bit unique. So… it looks like I may have to go ahead with the 3/8 (ID/ and I think 1/2 OD) tubing.. :/ I will try to do what you suggest with a clamp of some sort.


I'm glad you got everything set up and ready for when/if you feel like you need it. That's often already so helpful to people — to have the option ready and available. Now you can take your time and maybe even enjoy life a bit if you feel like it. :)

Thanks again for all your info and help! I really want to ctb very soon so I'm getting a bit nervous if I can get it all ready in time. But all your info has helped me a lot already!

You're most welcome!

I was thinking if you tape the tube to the top your head on the cap when you lift the bag to your forehead to fill it and it's cinched tight, the tube's end will still be there to fill up the bag while it's lifted to your forehead. The tube doesn't dislodge with me at all through all of the tests that I've done, it'd take some force, a lot of force to get it dislodged especially with the micropore tape. You sound like you have a lot of anxiety, and with that anxiety comes a lot of unnecessary steps that can actually cause your setup to fail. When I was looking into tubing, I couldn't find the ID size of oxygen tubing, not sure if it'd fit on my 1/4 barb I went with 1/4 ID tubing and 3/8 OD tubing, also anxious about co2 escaping I thought the bigger tubbing would be better for the co2. Because of my anxieties I ended up wasting time on an exit bag, needing to make an entirely new one to install the oxygen tubing anyways.

I imagine when I fall unconscious my head will fall back, as I am already slightly reclined in my chair. I rolled up a towel as cushion for me so my head is not uncomfortably leaning back. I wouldn't worry too much, if you're not sitting upright but reclined slightly gravity will make your head fall backwards.

I use this nut/ 1/4 nipple https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0B2GJXCNC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title as most regulators tend to fit CGA-032 (5/8" - 18) RH Male size, but unfortunately it sounds like your regulator connector is a bit unique so I'm not sure if this will help. Yes, you could always use a spring clamp and it will minimize that big gap. Or you could get a dummy head and test it for yourself, and see if everything is going well.

You're welcome once again, you don't wanna rush it, but I hope that you get everything ready in time!

 

[VoidBlessed]

Thank you so much @SomewhereAlongThe This is amazing research and testing. SaSu depends on contributions like this.

I'm planning on using nitrogen as well so this is invaluable information to have. I was actually about to start buying stuff when I found this thread, and would have made a bunch of mistakes. Out of curiosity, what did you end up telling the welding shop?

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Thank you so much @SomewhereAlongThe This is amazing research and testing. SaSu depends on contributions like this.

I'm planning on using nitrogen as well so this is invaluable information to have. I was actually about to start buying stuff when I found this thread, and would have made a bunch of mistakes. Out of curiosity, what did you end up telling the welding shop?

No, thank you! I'm so glad people find this thread helpful, it was the last contribution I wanted to make before I die. :)

As for the welding shop I would go in with a cool head knowing exactly what gas and size tank you're going to get, because if you have to look at the sizes irl beforehand, that leaves room for them to ask you what you want to use it for in depth. I told them that my boyfriend is using it for small repairs to automotive parts (welding), do not say anything funky like laser cutting (which apparently requires a huge amount of gas). If you can be brief and say my boyfriend/friend/dad uses it for welding. Welding is always your best bet for tanks like these. Also, getting it for someone else is better than yourself, unless you have extensive knowledge on welding and are prepared to be quizzed casually. I warn against asking for the purity, I feel like that's an unusual question unless the person is asking for nitrogen specific to something that involves it needing to be pure. Generally the purity will be listed on the site itself and if it's not I would look through their paperwork before asking. Asking is last resort, because it can raise alarm bells. I never needed to ask, myself.

 

[VoidBlessed]

No, thank you! I'm so glad people find this thread helpful, it was the last contribution I wanted to make before I die. :)

As for the welding shop I would go in with a cool head knowing exactly what gas and size tank you're going to get, because if you have to look at the sizes irl beforehand, that leaves room for them to ask you what you want to use it for in depth. I told them that my boyfriend is using it for small repairs to automotive parts (welding), do not say anything funky like laser cutting (which apparently requires a huge amount of gas). If you can be brief and say my boyfriend/friend/dad uses it for welding. Welding is always your best bet for tanks like these. Also, getting it for someone else is better than yourself, unless you have extensive knowledge on welding and are prepared to be quizzed casually. I warn against asking for the purity, I feel like that's an unusual question unless the person is asking for nitrogen specific to something that involves it needing to be pure. Generally the purity will be listed on the site itself and if it's not I would look through their paperwork before asking. Asking is last resort, because it can raise alarm bells. I never needed to ask, myself.

Good to know, thank you! As far as getting the oxygen tube to stay on the nipple, are you using a hose clamp/ferrule or does the fit feel tight enough on its own?

 

[NellyGoes]

You're most welcome!

I was thinking if you tape the tube to the top your head on the cap when you lift the bag to your forehead to fill it and it's cinched tight, the tube's end will still be there to fill up the bag while it's lifted to your forehead. The tube doesn't dislodge with me at all through all of the tests that I've done, it'd take some force, a lot of force to get it dislodged especially with the micropore tape. You sound like you have a lot of anxiety, and with that anxiety comes a lot of unnecessary steps that can actually cause your setup to fail. When I was looking into tubing, I couldn't find the ID size of oxygen tubing, not sure if it'd fit on my 1/4 barb I went with 1/4 ID tubing and 3/8 OD tubing, also anxious about co2 escaping I thought the bigger tubbing would be better for the co2. Because of my anxieties I ended up wasting time on an exit bag, needing to make an entirely new one to install the oxygen tubing anyways.

I imagine when I fall unconscious my head will fall back, as I am already slightly reclined in my chair. I rolled up a towel as cushion for me so my head is not uncomfortably leaning back. I wouldn't worry too much, if you're not sitting upright but reclined slightly gravity will make your head fall backwards.

Gee, you are smart!! You think of so many things that I haven't thought of. Like the rolled up towel!! And taping the tube at the *top* of the head (for some reason I always had *side* in my mind but you're right, this sounds much smarter).

I'll be honest I have severe OCD so testing is very difficult for me. Everything takes so much effort for me and then I get physically exhausted and need to rest… atp I'm so mad bc I seem "too exhausted to die even" :/ it's just all so frustrating, having to exert all this effort simply to get the peace we so desperately need…

The main thing I'm anxious about is getting everything done in time. I have a very specific date/timeframe in mind that I need/want to hit. But yeah there is SOOO much to do! (And I want to do everything right. Leave my affairs in order etc). So that's the main thing I'm anxious about. But I'm getting close with everything, and yes, I do NOT want to make any mistakes!!!

I use this nut/ 1/4 nipple https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0B2GJXCNC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title as most regulators tend to fit CGA-032 (5/8" - 18) RH Male size, but unfortunately it sounds like your regulator connector is a bit unique so I'm not sure if this will help. Yes, you could always use a spring clamp and it will minimize that big gap. Or you could get a dummy head and test it for yourself, and see if everything is going well.

Thank you for the link! Yes I'm using the Harris flowmeter regulator for Ar/CO2 — it actually comes with an attached heavy hose so swapping that — and from the 3/8 adapter I finally found I'd need this now…
1/4 in Hose Barb x Male Inverted Flare 5/8 in-18 Hose barb

I've searched but no luck. If you happen to come across a product (that ships to the US) I would so appreciate it if you could let me know (off-chance I know but still:).

You're welcome once again, you don't wanna rush it, but I hope that you get everything ready in time!

TYSM again. I hope you do too!

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Good to know, thank you! As far as getting the oxygen tube to stay on the nipple, are you using a hose clamp/ferrule or does the fit feel tight enough on its own?

You're welcome. I found that the oxygen tubing attaches to the barb tight enough on its own without a clamp.