My experience with charcoal/carbon monoxide.

[ProlongedSentence]

Clean water as in bathtub water (instead of drowning in an icky dirty water lake) i should have made that clearer Lol

Oh. Well as for people discussing alcohol and some sort of sleep aid/sedatives... if you have developed any kind of tolerance. Good luck. But who knows? There is always the odd chance it finally will konk you out enough. I have been sober for 5 years now, but when I drank. Boy. Nothing could konk me out. I had such a tolerance. I remember even getting a colonoscopy and the GI doc said he gave me enough sedative to knock out an elephant and I was still awake. He would finally get me under but I would wake up and witness the video scope and talk to him. I think I have some sort of condition that is lol "Superhumanly" resistant to rest.
From XFiles. "Super Soldier" Syndrome. Baby I was born this way. But in XFiles they cut the backs of soldier's brains to make sleep impossible.

Anyway. Sorry to go off topic. But here is another I have tried with clean water and failed. I chugged like 3 gallons of water. I shouldn't even mention this because it is a sin. Oh well. Now I have. It is supposed to drown your brain.

I got a severe headache from it. I wouldn't recommend it. Basically you will end up on the toilet all night and your kidneys will not be able to keep up with the demand to filter out the water. It is not pleasant. And as for the "clean water" bathtub method? Who wants to be found naked AND. If you DO fall asleep. You may just wake up in a tub of cold water. I never understood all those movies where someone blanks their wrists while in the tub. For that to be successful. You gotta be real serious. I read of a doctor going that way with the help of alcohol but still. He had some serious intent and scalpels.

I am surely going to Hell for sharing all this.

May God please have mercy and well. I am pretty mad at God for the YEARS of this Hellish existence. And He KNOWS what I am talking about.

Sorry for the SBlog OP

 

[desertdreamer]

This info is good, I've tried this method twice and stayed in a tent long enough to b dead. Its fucked my memory from the failed attempts and life is pointless now. Do u have inbox I can private message u

Do you know why it failed? This is the method I intend to use in car or tent, so I'm very concerned with why things didn't work for some people. Obviously important to get it right the first time.

 

[Cleopatra123]

Clean water?

The hyperventilating is supposed to build up enough CO in the brain so that you faint, pass out unconscious in the water and drown immediately; or if one just become dizzy, hold your breath under water after hyperventilating till dizzy and immediately hold your breath under water and one should pass out immediately. The recommended time to hyperventilate is 2 minutes, but I've heard from a number of people that they hyperventilated, as I did for ten minutes and nothing happened, except perhaps for tiredness. So, how do you plan to do this in water successfully?

 

[ProlongedSentence]

The hyperventilating is supposed to build up enough CO in the brain so that you faint, pass out unconscious in the water and drown immediately; or if one just become dizzy, hold your breath under water after hyperventilating till dizzy and immediately hold your breath under water and one should pass out immediately. The recommended time to hyperventilate is 2 minutes, but I've heard from a number of people that they hyperventilated, as I did for ten minutes and nothing happened, except perhaps for tiredness. So, how do you plan to do this in water successfully?

I shouldn't tell you this but there is a step more besides hyperventilating. All I can say. Haven't tried it in "clean Hot Tub Water" but yeah. Therorectically after having tried the one. It could work in the tub.

I am going to Hell for this.

May God have mercy on me. I just understand things from the POV of succumbing to years of unending trauma.

But. I WILL say. If you are young and on here and of physical health. Please keep trying to survive. There are healthy alternatives - IF you can find them and avail yourself of them please do.

For me. It was found too late. I found support in a small gym and in 1 on 1 training. In my late 40's. I had to move across country and now I am completely isolated in a VERY harsh place. I HAVE tried people. To reconnect with what I had found.

So. May God have mercy on my soul. But heck. It is hard not to share. I have been isolated and gagged for so long.

And. IMO. "Life" IS Hell God.

Sorry to the OP. I always have to get that in. Please forgive me. Didn't mean to hijack.

 

[Cleopatra123]

I shouldn't tell you this but there is a step more besides hyperventilating. All I can say. Haven't tried it in "clean Hot Tub Water" but yeah. Therorectically after having tried the one. It could work in the tub.

I am going to Hell for this.

May God have mercy on me. I just understand things from the POV of succumbing to years of unending trauma.

But. I WILL say. If you are young and on here and of physical health. Please keep trying to survive. There are healthy alternatives - IF you can find them and avail yourself of them please do.

For me. It was found too late. I found support in a small gym and in 1 on 1 training. In my late 40's. I had to move across country and now I am completely isolated in a VERY harsh place. I HAVE tried people. To reconnect with what I had found.

So. May God have mercy on my soul. But heck. It is hard not to share. I have been isolated and gagged for so long.

And. IMO. "Life" IS Hell God.

Sorry to the OP. I always have to get that in. Please forgive me. Didn't mean to hijack.

I pray to God for you my friend, I don't believe you will go to hell. I understand how you feel about trying to help young people fulfill some kind of meaningful life. But I am old. My life was sometimes "hell", but sometimes wonderful, and I wish that beauty for all. But, there are circumstances when helping would be a blessing. This I believe.

I pray to God for you my friend, I don't believe you will go to hell. I understand how you feel about trying to help young people fulfill some kind of meaningful life. But I am old. My life was sometimes "hell", but sometimes wonderful, and I wish that beauty for all. But, there are circumstances when helping would be a blessing. This I believe.

I would PM you with specific circumstances, but I see I can't. Any way we could have a private discussion.

 

[justanotherday]

This info is good, I've tried this method twice and stayed in a tent long enough to b dead. Its fucked my memory from the failed attempts and life is pointless now. Do u have inbox I can private message u

It did something to my memory too.

 

[Qverty7455]

I wonder how you haven't died in the 2nd attempt...after 1h you must have been way past unconsciousness state and you shouldn't wake up maybe the car isn't that sealed so the air was able to go in and out ?

 

[Shaw]

@Cleopatra123, it's not a good idea to do it in a carpeted room. The carpet will burn; it sounds like the ceiling is a flimsy-ish one that might be at risk of smoldering too and most likely isn't airtight.

My understanding is that with this method it's not enough for the space you're in to "seem tight"; one needs to actively seal gaps with tape or whatever. Maybe @Phinphr could comment on that? Thank you.

@Phinphr, thank you for all this good information. I appreciate that you don't want to daze us with details, but in threads about failed charcoal attempts it always seems that getting it to burn evenly has been a problem for people. Can you provide a little insight on that, please and thank you kindly?

I've even started theorizing that the charcoal available in Asia is somehow significantly different than what people get in Europe and the Americas, since the method is very popular in Asia but here on the forum it seems people have all kinds of trouble with it.

Anyway, @Phinphr and @Cleopatra123, I'm sorry about whatever has led you to contemplate this. Be careful x

PS: A worthwhile cautionary tale:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-messed-up.21130/

I know that I'm probably too late but I'll comment if this is going to help others. When I tried the charcoal method I used the normal ones we buy on stores here in the Philippines. I'm Asian btw. In the carbon monoxide megathread I read that people often asked what charcoal is better to use amd they have this one brand I forgot what.

Now that you've mentioned it I think the quality of charcoals we have here in Asia is different from non asian countries. When I did it, I only used less than a kg of charcoal and put it on a frying pan as small as the circumference of a basketball or volleyball ball. I lit it there and when there's only little visible smoke I entered my cabinet with it. Then I taped all the corners of my cabinet and stayed there for approximately 30-40 mins.

I thought the whole thing was not working so I removed the tapes and got out. As soon as I breathed fresh air the symptoms came. I felt nauseous, have a terrible headache, disoriented, and blacked out as soon as I got on my bed. I remember waking up several times and the headache and nausea is still there.

 

[DeepSleep]

Now that you've mentioned it I think the quality of charcoals we have here in Asia is different from non asian countries. When I did it, I only used less than a kg of charcoal and put it on a frying pan as small as the circumference of a basketball or volleyball ball.

Interesting. What kind of trees / lumber do you guys use for firewood/charcoal? Coconut trees, mangrove?
I've been to Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia. They usually use palm trees and some short-height plant with a thin trunk and long branches, I dont know its name..

The lumber is probably more dry, less oil inside because of the hot climate. However, the final product (charcoal) is basically pure carbon. It should not make any difference. Its just placebo / confirmation bias IMHO..

 

[Shaw]

Interesting. What kind of trees / lumber do you guys use for firewood/charcoal? Coconut trees, mangrove?
I've been to Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia. They usually use palm trees and some short-height plant with a thin trunk and long branches, I dont know its name..

The lumber is probably more dry, less oil inside because of the hot climate. However, the final product (charcoal) is basically pure carbon. It should not make any difference. Its just placebo / confirmation bias IMHO..

Not sure what we really use for it. It's either the charcoal is different here or our body just reacts to it differently and faster. There are only a few cases of accidental carbon monoxide poisoning here as we do not use heaters or other devices with it. People also do not often camp in here so yeah. The elders are really not familiar with it and its dangers. Okay lmao don't know what'd the whole point of what I just said forgive me.

 

[Soul]

@Shaw, thanks very much for your insights. I hope you're feeling better soon - please drink lots of water and get plenty of fresh air.

@DeepSleep, I started speculating about differences between charcoal sold in Asia and what's sold elsewhere simply because the charcoal method is very widely used in Asia and yet people on this forum (mostly Europeans and Americans) seem to have trouble getting it right.

I posted an article about not all charcoal being equal - I'll see if I can find it. But I still don't know why people here find this method so tricky.

 

[Cleopatra123]

I know that I'm probably too late but I'll comment if this is going to help others. When I tried the charcoal method I used the normal ones we buy on stores here in the Philippines. I'm Asian btw. In the carbon monoxide megathread I read that people often asked what charcoal is better to use amd they have this one brand I forgot what.

Now that you've mentioned it I think the quality of charcoals we have here in Asia is different from non asian countries. When I did it, I only used less than a kg of charcoal and put it on a frying pan as small as the circumference of a basketball or volleyball ball. I lit it there and when there's only little visible smoke I entered my cabinet with it. Then I taped all the corners of my cabinet and stayed there for approximately 30-40 mins.

I thought the whole thing was not working so I removed the tapes and got out. As soon as I breathed fresh air the symptoms came. I felt nauseous, have a terrible headache, disoriented, and blacked out as soon as I got on my bed. I remember waking up several times and the headache and nausea is still there.

Sorry, I don't remember where someone posted a news article of a woman's suicide with local coal in a bowl on the bed in her bedroom. She was successful. It was supposed by another member that the charcoal used in Asia is quite different than that used here, and obvious more easily successful. Sorry for your experience, I would guess than if you had stayed in the cabinet, we might not have been communicating.

Sorry, I don't remember where someone posted a news article of a woman's suicide with local coal in a bowl on the bed in her bedroom. She was successful. It was supposed by another member that the charcoal used in Asia is quite different than that used here, and obvious more easily successful. Sorry for your experience, I would guess than if you had stayed in the cabinet, we might not have been communicating.

perhaps we should order charcoal from Asia, lol, I wouldn't mind lying down on my bed with a simple glass bowl with some good music and hasta la vista.

 

[DeepSleep]

@DeepSleep, I started speculating about differences between charcoal sold in Asia and what's sold elsewhere simply because the charcoal method is very widely used in Asia and yet people on this forum (mostly Europeans and Americans) seem to have trouble getting it right.

You're totally right about it being different. I've googled it, you can do it aswell (search "charcoal" and add any Asian country).
Industrial manufacturers use mangrove, coconut, lump wood, bamboo, rambutan fruit wood etc.
One has specifically said " These products have high fixed carbon and low ash content in them".

But without pointing my finger to anybody, it's all just perfectionism and nitpicking. :) Regular "Western"-type charcoal
is just as deadly as any other. There's an overwhelming number of accidental killings when they bring a BBQ inside a tent.

 

[Soul]

But without pointing my finger to anybody, it's all just perfectionism and nitpicking. :) Regular "Western"-type charcoal
is just as deadly as any other. There's an overwhelming number of accidental killings when they bring a BBQ inside a tent.

... For people who want to use this method, it's not nitpicking to want it to work. It's quite striking how much trouble people on this forum report in trying to get this seemingly-simple method to do the job.

@DeepSleep, can you offer some insights about what people need to do differently to be successful with the charcoal method? And can you provide some links about overwhelming numbers of accidental killings involving people bringing bbqs into tents? Tents aren't normally airtight, so maybe they weren't accidents. x

 

[sooverallthingslife]

You said you didn't drink on the second attempt cause you didn't want to use your phone..... Can you do something with your phone like lock it or put in a place where it is not easily accssible like glove compartments etc?

My first attempt was with a gas generator and I passed out peacefully too...I had drunk an entire bottle of champange with herbal sleeping pills... unfortunatly my SI kicked in while is was in a BLACKOUT STATE and I escaped the room I was in and ended up foiling the whole thing. But yes, done righ tI think this is the most peaceful way to go.... IMO you have to already be so sleepy, drunk, sedated that you fall asleep/pass out before the c0 kicks in fully....

Just wondering if you let the generator run for awhile before entering the room? I was under the impression that generators produce way more co than necessary for you to pass out almost immediately and die within 5-10 minutes. Now I'm afraid of this not working for me.