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Darkover

Darkover

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Jul 29, 2021
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If we imagine hell not as fire and brimstone but as a state of being, then existence itself fits the criteria. We are born without consent into a decaying body, on a chaotic planet, governed by natural laws that favor suffering and indifference. We are not free we are thrown into a system with no escape other than death, and even death brings no promise of release, only uncertainty or annihilation.

This isn't just about physical pain it's about the structure of reality. We're conscious enough to realize our suffering, but powerless to escape the conditions that cause it. This is what makes life more tragic than merely painful: it's aware pain. A beast suffers, but doesn't ask why. Humans suffer, and know they suffer and cannot find a good answer.

Many philosophies present consciousness as a gift. But what if it's a flaw in the design? Consciousness allows us to imagine peace, love, fairness, permanence all things the world constantly denies. It gives us the capacity for hope, only to guarantee its betrayal. It lets us form deep attachments, only to watch them vanish. It lets us long for justice in a universe that operates entirely without it.

Worse, consciousness gives us the ability to dread. We not only suffer we anticipate suffering. We live in a timeline of foreseen death, decaying health, and emotional disintegration.

Time is the engine of hell. If suffering were momentary, it might be bearable. But in this world, time ensures that all joy is eroded, all love is threatened, and every form of beauty or peace is relentlessly unmade. Time means that nothing good can last, and everything bad will come, eventually.

We are forced to move forward, knowing that every step takes us closer to losing everything we've ever loved.

Suffering is bad enough. But meaningless suffering is worse. The universe offers no explanation for its cruelty no reason for who gets cancer, or who starves, or who dies in war. If hell is defined by purposeless torment, then our reality full of undeserved misery and arbitrary loss fits that definition.

Attempts to impose meaning (religion, nationalism, legacy, achievement) often collapse under scrutiny or fail to survive death. In hell, every narrative crumbles eventually. We try to build cathedrals out of sand.

Much of our pain comes not from nature, but from each other. Human cruelty systemic oppression, abuse, war, neglect is perhaps the strongest evidence that we are not only trapped in hell, but that we have become its agents. We exploit, betray, and dehumanize one another in cycles that repeat across history. Even love, the supposed antidote to suffering, is often laced with manipulation, grief, or abandonment.

Hell isn't just around us it's in us.

For many, death is the only perceived escape. But death is not a solution it's an unknowable void. It might be final silence, or it might be worse. The fact that we cannot even be certain that death ends suffering adds a further layer of existential dread. Imagine a prison so total that even the exit sign might be a trap.

Paradoxically, hope can function as its own form of torture. We are always on the verge of "getting better," "finding meaning," or "making things right," yet these dreams are perpetually delayed or destroyed. Hope keeps us striving, only to deliver loss. In this way, hope does not relieve suffering it prolongs it. It dangles peace in front of us, only to snatch it away.
The Final Verdict

If hell is a realm where:

Suffering is constant,

Injustice is random,

Meaning is absent,

Consciousness is a burden,

Escape is uncertain,

And hope itself is a form of torment

Then yes, we are living in hell.

Not because we are surrounded by flames and demons, but because we are conscious, fragile creatures trapped in a collapsing world that neither loves nor remembers us. A place where everything we love will die, everything we build will fall, and everything we are will be forgotten.
 
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While I agree, I think this can only work in a metaphysical sense of philosophical sense. In reality entropy is why we suffer. Entropy is constantly creating and destroying everything in its path. We want to stay in once place, in one moment. Basically life itself is "swimming against the current". We suffer all this shit because the universe runs on entropy and mindless chaos. The reaosn why no life exists is because its not supposed to. The universe can't support life, this planet had to have the correct conditions down to the finest detail for this shit show to happen. If you really want to look at this place as he'll ( which i don't blame you one bit for doing so ) I would be bets to describe it as an "accidental hell", something that happend because the conditions were right. An unfortunate case of cause and effect.
 
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Great posts by both of you !
 
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Forever Sleep

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I definitely agree that some people do experience this life as hell. That some people's circumstances are so bad that probably anyone would agree that their life is a living hell. However, wouldn't everyone be punished in hell? Wouldn't everyone hate it and want to escape from it? I don't imagine people would willingly have children in hell.

I think it's a place that has the potential to be hell- which is why I'm also anti-natalist. It isn't that bad for everyone though- clearly.
 
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While I agree, I think this can only work in a metaphysical sense of philosophical sense. In reality entropy is why we suffer. Entropy is constantly creating and destroying everything in its path. We want to stay in once place, in one moment. Basically life itself is "swimming against the current". We suffer all this shit because the universe runs on entropy and mindless chaos. The reaosn why no life exists is because its not supposed to. The universe can't support life, this planet had to have the correct conditions down to the finest detail for this shit show to happen. If you really want to look at this place as he'll ( which i don't blame you one bit for doing so ) I would be bets to describe it as an "accidental hell", something that happend because the conditions were right. An unfortunate case of cause and effect.
What you've articulated is a shift from moral hell to thermodynamic hell: a universe not ruled by demons or divine punishment, but by blind laws of physics, particularly entropy, which churns existence forward with no concern for meaning, value, or well being.

The traditional idea of hell assumes design intentional torment, judgment, and punishment. But the truth is far colder and less personal: we live in a reality governed by entropy, a force that drives everything toward decay, disorder, and dissolution. In this light, hell isn't the product of malice it's the outcome of physics.

Entropy is not evil. It's indifferent. And that's worse. Evil implies a moral framework. Indifference implies nothing cares because there's nothing capable of caring.

Life, by definition, resists entropy. It tries to organize, preserve, and perpetuate itself in a universe that is constantly trying to undo all of that. We eat, sleep, reproduce, and build systems to keep ourselves intact. But we're swimming upstream. Every moment of life requires immense energy to simply not fall apart.

This resistance comes at a cost pain, aging, breakdown, fear, and death. To live is to be in constant tension with the nature of the universe. The universe flows one way, and life struggles to go another. This makes existence not just improbable, but inherently unstable and, often, unbearable.
I definitely agree that some people do experience this life as hell. That some people's circumstances are so bad that probably anyone would agree that their life is a living hell. However, wouldn't everyone be punished in hell? Wouldn't everyone hate it and want to escape from it? I don't imagine people would willingly have children in hell.

I think it's a place that has the potential to be hell- which is why I'm also anti-natalist. It isn't that bad for everyone though- clearly.
This is a natural hell as if life itself weren't enough of a mistake, the development of consciousness pushed this accident into tragedy. now we are not only living in a decaying, hostile environment, we are aware of it. we are sentient lumps of matter cursed with the knowledge of impermanence. we see the decay, we feel the entropy, we fear the end.

A rock doesn't mind crumbling. we do.
 
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SovietSuicide

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Jan 8, 2022
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Any world would have necessary sufferings such as the game of survival but it's the existence of unnecessary sufferings that reaffirm this place is hell.

We cause tremendous amounts of suffering for literally no reason. Has nothing to do with entropy/universe conditions/survival.

I wouldn't be on this website if hunger & slow death of the universe is all I had to worry about.

Why do bad people always win in this world? All my bosses have been narcissists, Heads of religions always turn out to be bad people (monks owning slaves, priests raping kids, etc), politicians are always con-men & sometimes war criminals. Corporations love putting psychos in charge, Cult leaders almost never face consequences.

There's no good reason, this isn't for survival. These people destroy everything they touch.

I also feel the sufferings are tailored towards people, mine is tailored towards me.

Honestly these are the theories I'm working with right now:

1 - I'm mentally insane.

2 - The world is run by an evil god/evil gods/evil aliens

3 - Some people are born with something that makes them victims and others are born with something that separates them like some sort of marker or way to detect others

4 - This is some sort of simulation
 
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NoMoreSanity

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Mar 17, 2025
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What you've articulated is a shift from moral hell to thermodynamic hell: a universe not ruled by demons or divine punishment, but by blind laws of physics, particularly entropy, which churns existence forward with no concern for meaning, value, or well being.

The traditional idea of hell assumes design intentional torment, judgment, and punishment. But the truth is far colder and less personal: we live in a reality governed by entropy, a force that drives everything toward decay, disorder, and dissolution. In this light, hell isn't the product of malice it's the outcome of physics.

Entropy is not evil. It's indifferent. And that's worse. Evil implies a moral framework. Indifference implies nothing cares because there's nothing capable of caring.

Life, by definition, resists entropy. It tries to organize, preserve, and perpetuate itself in a universe that is constantly trying to undo all of that. We eat, sleep, reproduce, and build systems to keep ourselves intact. But we're swimming upstream. Every moment of life requires immense energy to simply not fall apart.

This resistance comes at a cost pain, aging, breakdown, fear, and death. To live is to be in constant tension with the nature of the universe. The universe flows one way, and life struggles to go another. This makes existence not just improbable, but inherently unstable and, often, unbearable.

This is a natural hell as if life itself weren't enough of a mistake, the development of consciousness pushed this accident into tragedy. now we are not only living in a decaying, hostile environment, we are aware of it. we are sentient lumps of matter cursed with the knowledge of impermanence. we see the decay, we feel the entropy, we fear the end.

A rock doesn't mind crumbling. we do.
Agreed. Couldn't of said it better.
 
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Crematoryy

Wandering endlessly
Feb 12, 2025
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If we imagine hell not as fire and brimstone but as a state of being, then existence itself fits the criteria. We are born without consent into a decaying body, on a chaotic planet, governed by natural laws that favor suffering and indifference. We are not free we are thrown into a system with no escape other than death, and even death brings no promise of release, only uncertainty or annihilation.

This isn't just about physical pain it's about the structure of reality. We're conscious enough to realize our suffering, but powerless to escape the conditions that cause it. This is what makes life more tragic than merely painful: it's aware pain. A beast suffers, but doesn't ask why. Humans suffer, and know they suffer and cannot find a good answer.

Many philosophies present consciousness as a gift. But what if it's a flaw in the design? Consciousness allows us to imagine peace, love, fairness, permanence all things the world constantly denies. It gives us the capacity for hope, only to guarantee its betrayal. It lets us form deep attachments, only to watch them vanish. It lets us long for justice in a universe that operates entirely without it.

Worse, consciousness gives us the ability to dread. We not only suffer we anticipate suffering. We live in a timeline of foreseen death, decaying health, and emotional disintegration.

Time is the engine of hell. If suffering were momentary, it might be bearable. But in this world, time ensures that all joy is eroded, all love is threatened, and every form of beauty or peace is relentlessly unmade. Time means that nothing good can last, and everything bad will come, eventually.

We are forced to move forward, knowing that every step takes us closer to losing everything we've ever loved.

Suffering is bad enough. But meaningless suffering is worse. The universe offers no explanation for its cruelty no reason for who gets cancer, or who starves, or who dies in war. If hell is defined by purposeless torment, then our reality full of undeserved misery and arbitrary loss fits that definition.

Attempts to impose meaning (religion, nationalism, legacy, achievement) often collapse under scrutiny or fail to survive death. In hell, every narrative crumbles eventually. We try to build cathedrals out of sand.

Much of our pain comes not from nature, but from each other. Human cruelty systemic oppression, abuse, war, neglect is perhaps the strongest evidence that we are not only trapped in hell, but that we have become its agents. We exploit, betray, and dehumanize one another in cycles that repeat across history. Even love, the supposed antidote to suffering, is often laced with manipulation, grief, or abandonment.

Hell isn't just around us it's in us.

For many, death is the only perceived escape. But death is not a solution it's an unknowable void. It might be final silence, or it might be worse. The fact that we cannot even be certain that death ends suffering adds a further layer of existential dread. Imagine a prison so total that even the exit sign might be a trap.

Paradoxically, hope can function as its own form of torture. We are always on the verge of "getting better," "finding meaning," or "making things right," yet these dreams are perpetually delayed or destroyed. Hope keeps us striving, only to deliver loss. In this way, hope does not relieve suffering it prolongs it. It dangles peace in front of us, only to snatch it away.
The Final Verdict

If hell is a realm where:

Suffering is constant,

Injustice is random,

Meaning is absent,

Consciousness is a burden,

Escape is uncertain,

And hope itself is a form of torment

Then yes, we are living in hell.

Not because we are surrounded by flames and demons, but because we are conscious, fragile creatures trapped in a collapsing world that neither loves nor remembers us. A place where everything we love will die, everything we build will fall, and everything we are will be forgotten.
Suicide is the noblest act of self-pity. In the last observation, we are not fighting against "something" that bothers us, but against the tyranny of existence. I do not want to be what the world proposed for me!
I definitely agree that some people do experience this life as hell. That some people's circumstances are so bad that probably anyone would agree that their life is a living hell. However, wouldn't everyone be punished in hell? Wouldn't everyone hate it and want to escape from it? I don't imagine people would willingly have children in hell.

I think it's a place that has the potential to be hell- which is why I'm also anti-natalist. It isn't that bad for everyone though- clearly.
The point is that the concept of hell is that everyone suffers in it, each in his own way, unanimously. Which in fact does not happen in this life. In this life, hell is reserved for those who have been rewarded with bad luck. I believe this is the proposition of @foreversleep
 
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