Discussion 'Most people who try to commit suicide are angry'... Do you agree?

[ame03]

Recently watched a documentary on suicides from the Golden Gate bridge (called 'Death Leap'- on YouTube). A psychiatrist in it said 'it's hard to say whether they're more defiant, more angry or not because I think most people who try to commit suicide are angry.'

It got me thinking. I wouldn't consider myself a particularly angry person. I'm fairly placid in behaviour at least. Still, I wonder if the part of me that wants to end it all is angry. Angry just to have this life that I'm expected to keep going at and fulfill all the shitty expectations society places on us. I was curious to see how other people felt? I guess most of us feel depressed on some level but how many of you think the desire to end it all comes from anger?

I am very angry

 

[MentalFuneral]

Im not angry, I would say im hurting so deeply I cant bear it anymore, its to the point where my pain is physical

 

[-nobodyknows-]

No, but I would say they are probably distraught about something

 

[divinemistress36]

Anger is my primary emotion. Anger I think is what may help override some of the SI

 

[mrtime87]

I'm angry that I'm forced to suffer when there are humane ways we can end a human life that doesn't resort to violence, like using a firearm or hanging.

I just started a hunger strike fighting for a humane way to die. I rather starve than die outside in the cold because I can't find a shelter to take me in.

 

[Trav1989]

People choose to CTB for a plethora of reasons and usually it's a combination of many factors. To just make a blanket statement like "they do such because they are angry" seems silly to me. As humans we are remarkably complex and all have different life experiences, challenges, and tolerances to many stressors.

Personally, I am somewhat angry though as I have little to no control over the trajectory of my life at this point but hopelessness is far heavier of a factor in my decision to CTB. I guess you could say that both are reasons for such in the end because they go hand in hand. I was certainly angry when my life began to fall apart around me but then such turned into hopelessness because I knew that regardless of how angry I got nothing I do could change things.

At a certain point your options become... Do I continue being taken on this ride? Or should I decide to get off early because the destination is the same either way and I'm not enjoying it any longer.

There is no right or wrong answer really just like there is no particular reason why people choose to CTB.

 

[Ironborn]

I was very angry for a long time, funnily enough it was anger/spite that kept me alive.
Now I'm just exhausted.

 

[SketchTurner]

There is an older study that did like a sentiment analysis of suicide notes and it claimed that many suicide notes had elements of revenge and anger in, which is probably where some of the view comes from. I can't find the specific one, this one has similar discussion : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3500150/

I experience many different types of suicide drive, and I have thought of suicide as revenge, out of anger, punishing specific people. It's just emotions really and not as serious, but I can see why some people would do so out of anger or to hurt someone else. "most" is probably hard to quantify, probably shifts by demographic and gender.

 

[Forever Sleep]

There is an older study that did like a sentiment analysis of suicide notes and it claimed that many suicide notes had elements of revenge and anger in, which is probably where some of the view comes from. I can't find the specific one, this one has similar discussion : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3500150/

I experience many different types of suicide drive, and I have thought of suicide as revenge, out of anger, punishing specific people. It's just emotions really and not as serious, but I can see why some people would do so out of anger or to hurt someone else. "most" is probably hard to quantify, probably shifts by demographic and gender.

I don't think it necessarily has to be anger towards an individual- although, I guess it could be. I think plenty of us feel resentful over one general thing or another. How unfair the world is, how vulnerable the human body can be, how we don't like what we've been landed with in terms of our bodies, genes, opportunities etc. Not to say I don't think people have a right to feel angry or hard done by. There quite often is just cause I think.

 

[pyx]

in my case perhaps it would be true. i feel incompatible with all my surroundings, which turns my anguish into violence

 

[Snowstorm]

just my two cents, i feel that anger puts me into the situations that upset me the most, but when i really want and crave ctb, there is no anger left.
i think its reasonable for normal people to think we might be angry, and that isnt unfounded, but i do think thats a very surface level way to look at the whole picture.

 

[destinationlosangel]

Many people, both suicidal and not suicidal, are angry. Yet another conclusion by another braindead psychiatrist lol.

Having talked in depth to a few suicidal people, here's what I think is going on with people who ctb. Keep in mind that this does not apply to people who commit suicide in a sudden fit of emotions.

With most people who commit ctb after thinking about it for a while, they do it because they see no other option in front of them. They have come to that logical conclusion. And the emotions involved are complex. There's all emotions involved. There could be anger and resentment because they have been wronged, there could be sadness because something didn't work out the way they thought, there's a sense of hopelessness which i think is the most prevalent. They just don't see things getting better. I think hopelessness is the main emotion. Not anger. Man I really wish some of these 'psychologists' and 'psychiatrists' understood this. I imagine some of you maybe lurking here lol. I too have a psychology background but that doesn't necessarily make me qualified to speak on this but life experience gives me a better perspective. Anyway this is what I think

 

[willitpass]

That's not why I started to become suicidal. And up until these last 6 or so months it has had no play in my suicidal feelings or attempts. I am not an angry person, at least I wasn't. I've only recently started to become bitter and jaded. After over a decade I have become worn down and angry at the way things have played out. I'm angry that my childhood was stolen from me. I'm angry that my adult life is being stolen from me. I'm angry at myself for how good I have things yet still being unable to get my shit together. I'm angry at the universe for not being able to die. I'm angry at myself for not being able to die. Nowadays yes, I am angry. It isn't my primary emotion by any means, most of my thoughts and feelings are headed with despair, numbness, emptiness, depression. But the more time goes on, the more angry undertones I feel. I don't think anger will even be present when I go through with it in a couple of weeks, I think the anger is far more rooted in life than in death.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

The only things I'm angry about are being brought into existence and not having a viable way out of it.

 

[twin size mattress]

I think i'm more angry on the days where i still feel like trying in life tbh. On days where i'm 99.9% sure i've given up im definitely feeling more hopeless than angry and im usually too tired to be particularly angry anyways.

 

[kiki <3]

i do have a lot of anger which ironically keeps me alive. i am mostly angry with having a body to exist in. then comes the anger i have for people's viciousness and cruelty, and the torture that people endure. this all goes hand in hand as i get to witness this cruelty and torment with the body that i have. it feels like purgatory except there is no heaven.

however, i am mostly just tired both mentally and physically. i can feel my body giving out at times, my legs feel wobbly a lot of the time. it might take a minute for me to process a situation. i have anger just not enough strength to support it, so i can only cry.

 

[uglyugly]

Well, I'm pretty pissed off, but that's not my reason for wanting to ctb. Who the hell does these polls or studies, anyhow? I have never seen one where they interview people who want to end their lives and ask them, non judgmentally, why.

 

[FERAL_FRENZY]

Try "exhausted" instead of angry.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Well, I'm pretty pissed off, but that's not my reason for wanting to ctb. Who the hell does these polls or studies, anyhow? I have never seen one where they interview people who want to end their lives and ask them, non judgmentally, why.

Ivory-tower academics.

I read a whole treatise on suicide written by a psychologist specializing in it and at the end he wrote essentially "but WHY do people kill themselves"?

Lol. We don't have to think in terms of abstract theories to have an intuitive understanding if what it is like.

 

[brokeandbroken]

Recently watched a documentary on suicides from the Golden Gate bridge (called 'Death Leap'- on YouTube). A psychiatrist in it said 'it's hard to say whether they're more defiant, more angry or not because I think most people who try to commit suicide are angry.'

It got me thinking. I wouldn't consider myself a particularly angry person. I'm fairly placid in behaviour at least. Still, I wonder if the part of me that wants to end it all is angry. Angry just to have this life that I'm expected to keep going at and fulfill all the shitty expectations society places on us. I was curious to see how other people felt? I guess most of us feel depressed on some level but how many of you think the desire to end it all comes from anger?

Yeah im definitely angry. Who wouldn't be in my situation. That's part of it. I just don't want to be angry anymore either.

I would hold anything a psychiatrist says about suicidal people at some level of skepticism. I'm no psychiatrist, but I'm willing to bet most suicidal people are probably more angry with themselves than other people.

I'm actually pretty comfortable with myself. I'm not angry with myself. Have I made mistakes? Yeah so has literally everybody. They weren't destructive mistakes though and they didn't build the architecture that is my current life. I could honestly live happier if it was.

There is an older study that did like a sentiment analysis of suicide notes and it claimed that many suicide notes had elements of revenge and anger in, which is probably where some of the view comes from. I can't find the specific one, this one has similar discussion : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3500150/

I experience many different types of suicide drive, and I have thought of suicide as revenge, out of anger, punishing specific people. It's just emotions really and not as serious, but I can see why some people would do so out of anger or to hurt someone else. "most" is probably hard to quantify, probably shifts by demographic and gender.

I mean most people don't CTB for no reason. We are a social species. Every suicide is a failure of current society. So it isnt a surprise if people who CTB are angry with the world. As the world likely put them there and in the grave.

 

[SpeckofDust]

I am not angry. I am worthless, in pain and anguish, without hope and joy, and deeply depressed. I managed to completely wreck my life, and there's no way to correct it now.

 

[sserafim]

I'm angry at how I was born into this world without my consent just to be a wageslave. This is why we were all born; it's sad but true. The reason why I want to ctb is to escape this prison planet. I just want an escape from everything. It's NEET or rope for me. All I want is to be able to NEET in peace until I rope. I don't dream of labor and I don't want to be forced into wageslavery. That is unfair to me. I deserve better than that

 

[Davey40210]

I don't feel like I want to CTB because I'm angry. But this is exactly the problem I have. I cannot really feel my emotions.

What is inside of me is like a black box and only once in a while some very intense feelings bubble to the surface. If it does bubble its usually anger though. Although lately I've been crying almost every day so obviously also sadness (I think?). And generally I have an overall feeling of sadness. For some reason I also have a strong fear of the dark, I literally can't sleep sometimes from being so scared (so then I sleep with the lights on).

It's why I think I may have alexithymia together with a mild form of autism. Could also be that my trauma has blocked my internal emotional connection.

It's always so wondrous to me when my girlfriends in the past could exactly say how they were feeling at any time, and so quickly. It's like other people have a connection to their inside that I don't have. I was always so impressed with that.

 

[AmIForReal]

I have quite some suppressed anger. Mostly at the universe, the way things turned out.

 

[TiredKitty]

Less anger, more... tired? Exhausted, jaded, dejected

 

[NoPoint2Life]

It's funny I came across this thread because lately I have been feeling more angry than sad and depressed. Like you've said, I'm angry of having to go through life. I'm angry that I have such severe OCD and at the same time I am resenting that I have to get help for it even though it's my parents making me and I actually love my therapist. i'm angry at having to go through life and not having a peaceful way out. I believe from other posts I have seen, that you are roughly the same age as me. I'm 44. Maybe we just get more angry and bitter as we grow older?

 

[Nadir]

anger sits above sadness in the emotional layers. outwardly i am very chill, placid, at acceptance with a hollow agony that pervades so much of my experience here. i also cant write posts or contibute without realising how pointless it is about midway through writing it.

 

[uk_buscatcher_522]

I'm absolutely furious, and will be even more so at the pro-lifers if I end up CTBing in a painful way. I can't imagine how someone CTBing agonisingly must feel in the moment towards those who took away the peaceful methods.

 

[Forever Sleep]

It's funny I came across this thread because lately I have been feeling more angry than sad and depressed. Like you've said, I'm angry of having to go through life. I'm angry that I have such severe OCD and at the same time I am resenting that I have to get help for it even though it's my parents making me and I actually love my therapist. i'm angry at having to go through life and not having a peaceful way out. I believe from other posts I have seen, that you are roughly the same age as me. I'm 44. Maybe we just get more angry and bitter as we grow older?

Yes, I am 44 too and I agree, I've become increasingly bitter and angry the older I've got. I was a pessimist from quite an early age. I think I became cynical fairly early on too. But, I was quite a shy child, so maybe more of the anger was turned inwards. I was forever apologising. Now, probably thankfully, I'm not around people to actually direct anger towards them but I suppose I do feel it. Not exactly at them. More just at various situations. In my head, I take on less blame than I used to. It's no fun though is it? It' not really a sense of empowerment because, we're still trapped here. I wish I'd died younger.

anger sits above sadness in the emotional layers. outwardly i am very chill, placid, at acceptance with a hollow agony that pervades so much of my experience here. i also cant write posts or contibute without realising how pointless it is about midway through writing it.

Welcome to the forum. I guess a lot of things we do are fairly pointless. If it helps in any way though, I think there is a point to it. Sometimes it's just getting stuff that's troubling us out. As for creating what you might think are meaningless posts- a lot of us do that too. I wouldn't worry about it. If people don't want to read them, they don't have to. Plenty will though. Sometimes, it's just knowing there are other people out there.

 

[WholeHereafter]

There is anger, yes, but peeling back what's behind that anger is grief.