Method choice and why that over others?

[asthedayends00]

I'm sure most of us have N as the first choice. I'm just curious to what method people decided upon and why that over others.

 

[FuneralCry]

Nembutal would certainly be my first choice as I just want a painless death like falling into an eternal, dreamless sleep and never existing again, it always feels so cruel and horrible to me how I cannot access such and instead the suffering just continues, I'm always wishing I could just simply choose to not exist.

 

[SomewhatLoved]

From what I've seen generally there's about 4 variables that people use to determine their method: reliability, accessibility, painfulness, and time/duration.
Reliability - how likely it is to succeed. Something like firearms or assisted suicide being at the high end, and other things like cutting or overdose via OTC medications being towards the low end.
Accessibility - how difficult it is to access this method, or the supplies required. Things like firearms or methods involving controlled substances being on the higher end, and other methods like hanging/cutting being on the low end -- as they use everyday objects like rope, knives.
Painfulness: - how unpleasant it is for the CTBer. Things like cutting being worse, things like nembutal being up on the better side.
Time/Duration - how long the method itself takes. For example, something like hanging is usually said to take about 30 minutes to an hour, as the person generally does not become irreversibly dead unless they are not found for at least between 30 minutes to an hour.

As stated by you most people would prefer something like nembutal, if it was available to them. painfulness is not present, it is reliable, and timeline (in my opinion) becomes somewhat irrelevant as there isn't much SI or suffering. As long as you have a private space where you are not found, I do not see timeline as an issue for this method. However, it obviously is very difficult to access this method. So this method is usually only available for people able to dedicate time and money to travel and obtain the drug.

Then you have somewhat less preferable methods. Maybe not so difficult to access, but somewhat painful or maybe less reliable. Think firearms: varying accessibility depending on geography, painful, but quick and generally reliable. Another example is SN. Getting harder to access, takes time to have effect, can have discomfort, but is generally reliable if done correctly with all the failsafes.

Finally we have accessible methods. Out of these hanging is really the one that is discussed most (and for good reason). All that is required is really a rope and an anchor point. Rope can be bought almost anywhere in the world at hardware stores with no restriction, and anchor points can be anything from trees to doorknobs to structural supports or a variety of other things. Hanging is generally not that pleasant though, and many report a feeling of nausea, tightness or pressure in the head, and strong SI. Accessible, generally favourable reliability, timeline ranging from near-instant loss of consciousness or snapping of the neck to minutes of painful strangulation (if done wrong), and good timeline as lack of circulation to the brain, snapping of the neck, or even strangulation are all generally somewhat quick ways of death.

It really just depends how much time and effort people have or are willing to spend on a method. Obviously many suicidal people are under watch and cannot access certain things, or do not have the effort to put towards a favourable method.

Personally if I can I would opt for firearms, unless for whatever reason I found myself travelling to somewhere in Latin America for an unrelated reason (in which case I would stroll into a pharmacy or veterinary store and attempt to obtain nembutal). They are somewhat accessible where I live, but obtaining them can take months to go through the licensing/background check process. Otherwise I'm considering less favourable methods like hanging. Really just depends which of these variables are most important to you. I would prefer something reliable and painless -- and a hanging can be that but it is sometimes difficult to pull off and overcome SI.

 

[Marco77]

From what I've seen generally there's about 4 variables that people use to determine their method: reliability, accessibility, painfulness, and time/duration.
Reliability - how likely it is to succeed. Something like firearms or assisted suicide being at the high end, and other things like cutting or overdose via OTC medications being towards the low end.
Accessibility - how difficult it is to access this method, or the supplies required. Things like firearms or methods involving controlled substances being on the higher end, and other methods like hanging/cutting being on the low end -- as they use everyday objects like rope, knives.
Painfulness: - how unpleasant it is for the CTBer. Things like cutting being worse, things like nembutal being up on the better side.
Time/Duration - how long the method itself takes. For example, something like hanging is usually said to take about 30 minutes to an hour, as the person generally does not become irreversibly dead unless they are not found for at least between 30 minutes to an hour.

As stated by you most people would prefer something like nembutal, if it was available to them. painfulness is not present, it is reliable, and timeline (in my opinion) becomes somewhat irrelevant as there isn't much SI or suffering. As long as you have a private space where you are not found, I do not see timeline as an issue for this method. However, it obviously is very difficult to access this method. So this method is usually only available for people able to dedicate time and money to travel and obtain the drug.

Then you have somewhat less preferable methods. Maybe not so difficult to access, but somewhat painful or maybe less reliable. Think firearms: varying accessibility depending on geography, painful, but quick and generally reliable. Another example is SN. Getting harder to access, takes time to have effect, can have discomfort, but is generally reliable if done correctly with all the failsafes.

Finally we have accessible methods. Out of these hanging is really the one that is discussed most (and for good reason). All that is required is really a rope and an anchor point. Rope can be bought almost anywhere in the world at hardware stores with no restriction, and anchor points can be anything from trees to doorknobs to structural supports or a variety of other things. Hanging is generally not that pleasant though, and many report a feeling of nausea, tightness or pressure in the head, and strong SI. Accessible, generally favourable reliability, timeline ranging from near-instant loss of consciousness or snapping of the neck to minutes of painful strangulation (if done wrong), and good timeline as lack of circulation to the brain, snapping of the neck, or even strangulation are all generally somewhat quick ways of death.

It really just depends how much time and effort people have or are willing to spend on a method. Obviously many suicidal people are under watch and cannot access certain things, or do not have the effort to put towards a favourable method.

Personally if I can I would opt for firearms, unless for whatever reason I found myself travelling to somewhere in Latin America for an unrelated reason (in which case I would stroll into a pharmacy or veterinary store and attempt to obtain nembutal). They are somewhat accessible where I live, but obtaining them can take months to go through the licensing/background check process. Otherwise I'm considering less favourable methods like hanging. Really just depends which of these variables are most important to you. I would prefer something reliable and painless -- and a hanging can be that but it is sometimes difficult to pull off and overcome SI.

A painless hanging?

 

[SomewhatLoved]

A painless hanging?

I think it's possible. I have not seen videos of it myself, but I have read that often people do not show much struggle and lose consciousness within 10 seconds. Also if you were to opt for a long-drop hanging, as soon as the rope was taut you would potentially break your neck and instantly die. All depends how well the method is carried out, but I do not think this is something which can be controlled effectively. I personally think I would opt for a long-drop hanging, but even that has complications like the rope snapping.

 

[Marco77]

I think it's possible. I have not seen videos of it myself, but I have read that often people do not show much struggle and lose consciousness within 10 seconds. Also if you were to opt for a long-drop hanging, as soon as the rope was taut you would potentially break your neck and instantly die. All depends how well the method is carried out, but I do not think this is something which can be controlled effectively. I personally think I would opt for a long-drop hanging, but even that has complications like the rope snapping.

No, you don't die instantly in a long fall. You break your neck and become paralyzed.
However, you may cause yourself an improper decapitation if the rope is very long.

 

[KowakuNaiNeko]

From what I've seen generally there's about 4 variables that people use to determine their method: reliability, accessibility, painfulness, and time/duration.
Reliability - how likely it is to succeed. Something like firearms or assisted suicide being at the high end, and other things like cutting or overdose via OTC medications being towards the low end.
Accessibility - how difficult it is to access this method, or the supplies required. Things like firearms or methods involving controlled substances being on the higher end, and other methods like hanging/cutting being on the low end -- as they use everyday objects like rope, knives.
Painfulness: - how unpleasant it is for the CTBer. Things like cutting being worse, things like nembutal being up on the better side.
Time/Duration - how long the method itself takes. For example, something like hanging is usually said to take about 30 minutes to an hour, as the person generally does not become irreversibly dead unless they are not found for at least between 30 minutes to an hour.

I really like this analysis but I would add one more for low reliability methods:
Scar/Plausible deniability - how likely you can play off a failed attempt without getting hospitalized.

 

[SomewhatLoved]

No, you don't die instantly in a long fall. You break your neck and become paralyzed.
However, you may cause yourself an improper decapitation if the rope is very long.

After further reading I generally agree with you, but it seems that it may cause respiratory arrest depending on severity of the injury. The nerves which innervate the diaphragm originate at the vertebrae C3-C5, and fractures at the level of C1-C4 can cause breathing to stop if nervous tissues are damaged. Vertebral fractures associated with hanging commonly occur at C2 ("hangman's fracture"), so if the damage was bad enough it could definitely stop your breathing instantaneously. I suppose you wouldn't die instantly, but it would still be very quick as your breathing would stop completely. If you were to drop with enough force to break a vertebra, I assume the rope would almost certainly also tighten enough to fully occlude the arteries of the neck, which would stop circulation to the brain.

I worked with a doctor from Pakistan (where capitol punishment was carried out by drop-hanging) for some time, who stated that this type of death was usually instantaneous and that from his observation the subjects usually immediately went limp. Wikipedia states that "only if the force of the injury is severe enough that the vertebral body of C2 is severely subluxed from C3 does the spinal cord become crushed, usually between the vertebral body of C3 and the posterior elements of C1 and C2".

The hanging would definitely have to be very forceful to yield this result, and even then it seems the main result would be respiratory arrest and not instant death. I'd be curious to see videos of this method though, as from the accounts of the doctor who I had worked with it at least appeared to cause instant death.

 

[Marco77]

After further reading I generally agree with you, but it seems that it may cause respiratory arrest depending on severity of the injury. The nerves which innervate the diaphragm originate at the vertebrae C3-C5, and fractures at the level of C1-C4 can cause breathing to stop if nervous tissues are damaged. Vertebral fractures associated with hanging commonly occur at C2 ("hangman's fracture"), so if the damage was bad enough it could definitely stop your breathing instantaneously. I suppose you wouldn't die instantly, but it would still be very quick as your breathing would stop completely. If you were to drop with enough force to break a vertebra, I assume the rope would almost certainly also tighten enough to fully occlude the arteries of the neck, which would stop circulation to the brain.

I worked with a doctor from Pakistan (where capitol punishment was carried out by drop-hanging) for some time, who stated that this type of death was usually instantaneous and that from his observation the subjects usually immediately went limp. Wikipedia states that "only if the force of the injury is severe enough that the vertebral body of C2 is severely subluxed from C3 does the spinal cord become crushed, usually between the vertebral body of C3 and the posterior elements of C1 and C2".

The hanging would definitely have to be very forceful to yield this result, and even then it seems the main result would be respiratory arrest and not instant death. I'd be curious to see videos of this method though, as from the accounts of the doctor who I had worked with it at least appeared to cause instant death.

Death with violent neck compression and fall could occur due to neurovegetative factor: intense stimulation of the vagus nerve, which runs vertically in the vasculonervous bundle of the neck together with the carotid artery anteriorly and the jugular vein posteriorly, and of the carotid sinus receptors can produce immediate arrest of the heart with death from reflex inhibition. Maybe your doctor friend was referring to this? Let's say that instant death can also occur due to other factors, but not due to breaking the neck it seems.

 

[asthedayends00]

A painless hanging?

Possibly referring to partial

No, you don't die instantly in a long fall. You break your neck and become paralyzed.
However, you may cause yourself an improper decapitation if the rope is very long.

I feel like you have to be so precise if executing this method.

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

Method
shotgun
why?
the brutality of its display.

 

[asthedayends00]

Method
shotgun
why?
the brutality of its display.

What kind of shotgun you got? I had mossberg 500 but unfortunately got taken

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

What kind of shotgun you got? I had mossberg 500 but unfortunately got taken

Can't aquire yet got plans set just need to get to the process just can't where I am at the moment but I got to keep it confidential irl, it's relatively easy enough to aquire one where I am and I'll do it legally, obviously shooting myself isn't legal butt I'll get the gun legally but so far i don't know what I want just a shotgun with a fat bullet, I was looking at the winchester SXP 12 gauge pump shotgun and the browning BT 99, I got time to make a choice unless I just can't wait anymore and fuck up my plans

 

[asthedayends00]

Any type of short barrel 12g with slug round is fine... even a 20g will do the job. You got a price limit?

Can't aquire yet got plans set just need to get to the process just can't where I am at the moment but I got to keep it confidential irl, it's relatively easy enough to aquire one where I am and I'll do it legally, obviously shooting myself isn't legal butt I'll get the gun legally but so far i don't know what I want just a shotgun with a fat bullet, I was looking at the winchester SXP 12 gauge pump shotgun and the browning BT 99, I got time to make a choice unless I just can't wait anymore and fuck up my plan.

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

Any type of short barrel 12g with slug round is fine... even a 20g will do the job. You got a price limit?

My price range is anything under 2 grand

 

[asthedayends00]

Honestly my mossberg 500 pistol grip was the gold. Cost me 700$ total with a 24pk of rounds.

Fuck it id say spend the other 1k on alc, weed, a nice place or anything that appeals to you. 800$ total and you'll have everything you need for a painless ctb.