Marsha Linehan liar - Building a Life Worth Living ?

[calssilva]

Do you think Marsha Linehan ( the creator of dialectical behavior therapy (DBT)) is a liar when she says "Building a Life Worth Living" ?

 

[FuneralCry]

I have no idea as to who that even is, but anyway all therapy is a scam with the aim to profit from people's suffering, I bet even a lot of these people don't believe in the delusional nonsense that they force on to others. And to be honest I think that if someone believes that people can "build a life worth living", then they are out of touch with reality.

I believe that humans don't actually have much control over their lives and so many are suffering due to circumstances out of their control and are disadvantaged through no fault of their own. The whole idea that life is worth it for everyone and that people just need to change their mindset and everything will be okay is just insanity and that kind of dismissive attitude towards suffering really is so incredibly toxic and harmful. But regardless of any futile therapies that exist life could never be worth enduring for me and I will always view death as being the more desirable option, I don't care what others think.

 

[autistocracy]

Do you think Marsha Linehan ( the creator of dialectical behavior therapy (DBT)) is a liar when she says "Building a Life Worth Living" ?

Yes and no. A "life worth living" is not possible for some people. At the time of DBT's creation, mental healthcare was not as accessible as it is now. I watched Dr. Linehan's seminar on DBT in the 80's, and it's clear based on her case client (a twenty something white American woman with wealthy parents) that a "life worth living" is only possible if you have monetary resources. There's a reason why therapy gets the reputation that it's only for the rich, because most of the time, their problems can actually be solved. Therapists still have no idea how to work with clients that are poor or come from poverty, and/or otherwise face systemic and structural barriers outside of their control.
Therapy works for its intended demographic, so in one way Dr. Linehan is right. However, the untruthful aspect of this is that modern therapists are leading people to believe that they can CBT/DBT/whatever their way out of cycles of homelessness, poverty, developmental issues from child abuse, etc.

 

[Archness]

Therapy works for its intended demographic, so in one way Dr. Linehan is right. However, the untruthful aspect of this is that modern therapists are leading people to believe that they can CBT/DBT/whatever their way out of cycles of homelessness, poverty, developmental issues from child abuse, etc.

I'm unfamiliar with the topic. However, it kinda reminds me of special ed in school. Not rly for severe cases, the ones for autistic kids who could also attend normal classes. They'd give us worksheets and lessons about not being autistic. The teaches would swore up and down on the importance and effectiveness of those. I can say it was utterly pointless, everyone in that class did as little as possible and it felt like a detention instead of a class period.

Now I'm on a suicide form with a messed up psychology since, surprise surprise, my defective brain is still autistic. thx school, those tests and worksheets rly helped me. I learned to not give correct answers, but the answers asked for. thanks

 

[SilentSadness]

I'm not sure what "a life worth living" means, after all, there is always the possibility to suddenly have a catastrophic event which gives you chronic pain for the rest of your life, and of course you wouldn't even be able to ctb then. Even if I was delusional enough to think my life was worth living, it would still be a gamble which I wouldn't want to take. I'm also sceptical about mental health services and therapy as I've had negative experiences in the past.

 

[calssilva]

I have no idea as to who that even is, but anyway all therapy is a scam with the aim to profit from people's suffering, I bet even a lot of these people don't believe in the delusional nonsense that they force on to others. And to be honest I think that if someone believes that people can "build a life worth living", then they are out of touch with reality.

I believe that humans don't actually have much control over their lives and so many are suffering due to circumstances out of their control and are disadvantaged through no fault of their own. The whole idea that life is worth it for everyone and that people just need to change their mindset and everything will be okay is just insanity and that kind of dismissive attitude towards suffering really is so incredibly toxic and harmful. But regardless of any futile therapies that exist life could never be worth enduring for me and I will always view death as being the more desirable option, I don't care what others think.

considering psychology is just about to profit from people's suffering as you said, do you think philosophy is more suitable to help about human suffering ?

 

[FuneralCry]

considering psychology is just about to profit from people's suffering as you said, do you think philosophy is more suitable to help about human suffering ?

The philosophy of antinatalism certainly is what is the most suitable for this world. Choosing not to procreate is the way to prevent so much human suffering, I wish that more people realised that existence is just an unnecessary harm and that life in itself is the true problem.

 

[calssilva]

The philosophy of antinatalism certainly is what is the most suitable for this world. Choosing not to procreate is the way to prevent so much human suffering, I wish that more people realised that existence is just an unnecessary harm and that life in itself is the true problem.

I see your point about natalism, however i am asking about us…considering we already exists, what philosophy could help us ?