What would you rather leave your daughter in the woods with a man or a bear?

  • I'd rather leave my daughter alone in the woods with a man.

    Votes: 33 62.3%
  • I'd rather leave my daughter alone in the woods with a bear.

    Votes: 20 37.7%

  • Total voters
    53
SexyIncél

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Of COURSE nobody really means kill all men, it's a shock joke meant to be utilized as an avenue to discuss how many people have been victimized by men, not to literally encourage a genocide towards all men. But I think this one (bear/man argument) has suddenly taken a serious turn and I really just don't get it?
I think it worries some women too. That many increasingly view women as toxic exaggerators. In a real scenario, no sensible woman would choose the massive beast that'll yank off her arms & bite her butthole. Over some guy who maybe just likes camping. So a scary number are either lunatics or liars... maybe sometimes both, like Amber Heard clones. Makes #BelieveWomen untenable

The men I know, we'd try to team up with anyone we meet; hopefully reinvent the internet using pine cones & vines

It's like some misogynist making these jokes:
  • The bear, because she'll increase the bear's survival chances, and ruin the man's.
  • The bear, because I'd rather have a son.
  • The man, because he'll likely outrun her when chased by the bear.

These jokes use what Bordieu called "symbolic violence"; they reproduce the ideas that women are destructive, unconstructive in tough situations, less important than men. I obviously wouldn't let a woman be mauled by a bear, so it's only for the symbolic violence — to make women feel inferior & men smug

And it's especially bad, since Adam & Eve is the founding myth of the world's biggest religion. Where the First Woman was retarded enough to hang out with Yet Another insanely dangerous animal (who might literally have been SATAN), and #BelieveWomen got them kicked out of Paradise. Many people — men & women — take that parable LITERALLY
 
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Where the First Woman was retarded enough to hang out with Yet Another insanely dangerous animal (who might literally have been SATAN)
It's called the beastpill. And there's nothing wrong about big thick snakes with apples, you prude^^
 
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It's called the beastpill.
Hahaha, yeah I loved the DogPill wikipage:

Dogpill

And there's nothing wrong about big thick snakes with apples, you prude^^
That's what she said

(Oh, to be clear, my last post wasn't downplaying the violence that people face. Obviously many people here have been attacked by craven guys. I think people should sit with any victim, and actively listen. And hopefully practice how to support underdogs, with their enthusiastic consent. In some cases I've heard of, that can even mean baseball bats in a dark parking lot)
 
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"It's not all men."
But it is all women.

A bear wouldn't wait until I was unconscious, record it for his fraternity brothers, and leave me covered in my own blood.

A bear wouldn't hold a gun to my head and threaten to pull the trigger if I fought back.

A bear wouldn't get me pregnant and then ghost me after finding out.

Every woman has a story about a man. Very few woman have a story about a bear. There are several videos of bears leaving after being told no.
 
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A bear wouldn't wait until I was unconscious, record it for his fraternity brothers, and leave me covered in my own blood.

A bear wouldn't hold a gun to my head and threaten to pull the trigger if I fought back.
If I may ask (no need to respond), what might've been the most effective ways to amplify you, after these 2 situations? If there was someone who had your back; and was willing to at least consider any action, no matter how strange- or dangerous-sounding?
 
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Jorms_McGander

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Pretty sure this is a thought experiment not intended to be taken literally.

I'm going to walk to town later today. I'm going through the woods. Last time I did that I had to talk to a black bear briefly and check if it was gonna move off the trail or charge. The bear moved along.

I'll be in town and then I'll see lots of men. I'll see grandpas, fathers, uncles, brothers, sons, cousins. I'll see old men who worked in the mines of this area, I'll see young ones working in the mineral plants, and probably some hippy types out to enjoy summer in the mountains.

The men can be generally judged as more or less safe by their proximity to a woman. Although that ignores the practical reality of longterm abuse and how victims of abuse become tied to those situations. Let's ignore this aspect of socialisation for this and suggest that the men are standalone.

I can interrupt myself to say I'm a man, and I'm a large one with a large beard and a ready smile. I can take people off of their guard, it's sort of a dichotomy between the surly presentation and the warm and friendly personality. Disorienting to other people. It's a good thing I'm harmless. [edit: I'm not harmless. I'm a human being and I'm a male one so my instincts are what they are. I'm emotionally adjusted and I can process and manage my emotions, so I can proudly say I've never harmed another person and am confident that I have the skills not to do so, HOWEVER, I could lose those skills, I could have a head injury, I could have a stroke, I could experience trauma beyond my ability to cope]

It's about what I call "the cost of failure". Try to arrange your life with cost-of-failure that is relatively appropriate to the level of risk. Phew, it took me this ramble and I finally got it in my mind:

The RISK of meeting a man on the trail is very low. I am friendly and outgoing [even though it's a defense mechanism and I would really rather be alone]. I'll be fine 99% of the time I meet a man in the woods in this small town. I'll be fine 99% of the time I meet a bear in the woods here too.

1% of the time, a bear will maul me--possibly kill me. Black bears are the more common here, so it may be predatory and eat me. Predatory attacks are a percentage of that 1%, so the consequence there is that I will be eaten as I am dying. Pretty painful, overall short and woohoo I die doing something I love. I've felt pain before. It's temporary.

1% of the time, a man I encounter will have nefarious purposes in his mind. [ignoring my maleness for this part] Those purposes are so traumatic that I don't even feel comfortable using the correct words to name them because if there are any survivors of such an experience I might bring their trauma back up. Notice how I used direct English to talk about the bear. Not gonna happen here. The 1% man who's going to hurt me is going to do it for perverse reasons, will prolong my suffering--sometimes for days, weeks, or YEARS--will understand exactly how to hurt me and will hurt me deliberately. Yes, being tortured represents only a small percentage of the 1% of men. The 1% of the 1% of bears that eat me? That's all it is. Just a quick little eat-you-to-death.

There it should be clear that the cost of failure is very very very high for a man. The cost of failure is so high that women don't go outside at night in the city. It's a sad reality we live in, and sadder because people are taking this sort of thing personally. This is a statement of risk assessment. This is good advice on how to live your life.

Practically, you can't fix the human race unless you stop anybody ever having another child. There will be killers. Risk assessment is necessary, and women expressing a natural emotional reaction to the stress of this situation is okay, and not a personal attack on myself as a man. Shit, even if a woman assumes I'm a threat because I'm in the woods.

Actually when I first moved to this town, I found myself walking a dog along a big, wide, open trail at night. Trail so big the moonlight gets to the bottom. In front of me is a woman and a dog. So I'm instantly uncomfortable because I have social anxiety and I am aware that I'm a man walking behind a woman in the woods at night. That motivates me to be like "uhhh... HI" and I go to the opposite side of the trail and pick up my speed and pass her. Then I say something like "sorry, I just want to walk in front of you because it's dark and I'm a man" and she said "oh there are no animals here, we are close to town"

She thought I was clearing the trail of animals, bless her. No lol I wanted her to be the one following me so that she could watch me and keep her distance, because I am a man. It's reality--it's not personal.
 
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Jorms_McGander

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NSFL but this story has stuck in my head since first reading it. Being eaten alive is terrifying to me, and not necessarily quick at all:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html
Yeah that's a riveting story. I tend to catch those stories as they percolate the social networks, cuz I have my senses keyed for tragedy and gore. Is what it is.

So, that attack lasted less than half a morning, and if the first call was around the beginning of the attack on her, she was alive for an hour after being caught by he bear. That sucks, and I don't wanna be dying for an hour--it sounds like the bear left her alone for some time and then returned.

You'd be surprised what shock and endorphins can do to help you through that kind of thing. I live hopeful that my psychological defense mechanisms will shield me from the worst pain in an event like that.

Other examples of dying in the wild include falls. Those people are dying for days to weeks...
 
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In yesterday's Gender Thread o' Doom, two things happened:
  1. a woman said she'd pick the bear
  2. people speculated on why men die from suicide more effectively

There's ethnographies on why people commit suicide. One mentioned a concept of monologue vs dialogue:
  • Men died more as "monologue": escape from unbearable situations & limit the effects of the death beyond the event
  • Women chose more "dialogue": a form of protest, part of an ongoing discussion, an explicit attempt to affect others

This could explain everything. I'm sure we'd all agree that a bear with the munchies will perceive you as a Happy Meal. And if all men were replaced by bears... hilarity would ensue. So picking the bear doesn't make literal sense. Not even on SaSu, because anyone seriously considering ctb-via-wild-animal would be ridiculed. Even FuneralCry would be forced to pile on, lamenting the unseriousness

But if it's an imagined protest-suicide — "I declare I'd ctb via bear to protest men!" — then it makes perfect sense. The priority isn't to actually die effectively. (Or at all, in this case.) It's to protest
 
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There's ethnographies on why people commit suicide. One mentioned a concept of monologue vs dialogue:
  • Men died more as "monologue": escape from unbearable situations & limit the effects of the death beyond the event
  • Women chose more "dialogue": a form of protest, part of an ongoing discussion, an explicit attempt to affect others
Most interesting concept I've seen, and I totally believe it. I was told "75% of suicide attempts are women but 75% of successful suicides are men". I know quite a few girls with attempts, I'm a guy without any attempts and I doubt I'd need a second chance.
 
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Okay I do believe these suicide rates are b.s.

Just like the crime rate.

It's out of REPORTED suicides and FOUND bodies.

Think of how many
1) bodies are never found. In the ocean, dessert, whatever.
2) there are a lotttt of people, even on here, that have a fail CTB attempt.

None of that is going into your internet statistics.. making them a very weak source to argue with.
If I may ask (no need to respond), what might've been the most effective ways to amplify you, after these 2 situations? If there was someone who had your back; and was willing to at least consider any action, no matter how strange- or dangerous-sounding?
i told the president of my college & the person in charge of Greek life & a few of my sorority sisters. Nobody cared and some didn't even believe me. Even though I (still to do this) have visible scarring.

And then it kept happening. I've been assaulted more times than I can count.

I'm a VERY firm believer in what comes around goes around of that answers your question. Do they deserve to know what it's like to be drugged, rape, and held against your will? Absolutely.
But that's not the world we live in.


The world we live in does not care about women. It's 2024 an American women STILL make less than men & STILL are losing rights (roe v wade being overturned).

All of the men coming on talking about how they would never hurt a women need to stfu. We aren't saying we are superior to the male race. We aren't trying to "make men feel bad" or whatever BS is being thrown around. We want men to LISTEN. Instead of getting mad at a womens CHOICE (thank you for so clearly not respecting a womens choice in a hypothetical situation event, It is very telling).. ask her why? Why does she pick the bear?

The question was man or bear. No other details. "What if it was a grizzly bear and your dad." That was not the question. It's a chance of being any bear and any man.

Alone in the forest. Starved. Desperate. I can PROMISE you men will turn into monsters if they're in the situation long enough.

I'd pick a bear over my own dad or chosen husband.
I would hang myself from a tree if I was alone in a forest with a man and no way to get out. I would literally rather end my life then EVER go through a violent rape experience again.
I told one person of my CTB plan. It was a man. He, in all swriousness, asked if he could use my body after I died.
 
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Think of how many
1) bodies are never found. In the ocean, dessert, whatever.
My initial thought is that this wouldn't be that much but after a quick search I may have to look into it more. It's a bit tough to find a solid number of how many people go missing and aren't found, but it seems significant. Of course, what percentage are suicides is speculative.

2) there are a lotttt of people, even on here, that have a fail CTB attempt.
Definitely a good point to keep in mind.
 
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Jorms_McGander

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OKAY so I have to share this experience in this thread because LOL nobody is gonna believe it [I will attach a picture of the bear in the story]

For context I'm 6'1" big beard and really long hair, and a social phobic.

So I'm sitting outside this trailer smoking pot and tobacco and enjoying my alone time. Along comes from behind some trees something that at first glance is a pair of pants and I'm instantly anxious because I'm anticipating having to say hi to a stranger walking up the driveway and it's private property so this person should really know better, and I'm really high so instantly I'm on edge about this unknown person approaching me--

When it finishes ambling out from behind the tree and I see it's a baby black bear and I'm instantly relieved because I'm no longer gonna have to say hi to a weirdo, but then the relief vanishes to a new anxiety because BABY BEAR and I jump up to my feet, and the bear is like !!!! ADULT HUMAN so it starts moving along and I decide to risk mom cuz the door is near so I start taking pictures ASAP

So my emotions in that experience were:

FEAR: stranger!
RELIEF: bear
FEAR: BEAR

PS: Never saw mom. Maybe that's how big a black bear is when it has to leave? In that case, they are wimps lol

Bear1
 
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OKAY so I have to share this experience in this thread because LOL nobody is gonna believe it [I will attach a picture of the bear in the story]

For context I'm 6'1" big beard and really long hair, and a social phobic.

So I'm sitting outside this trailer smoking pot and tobacco and enjoying my alone time. Along comes from behind some trees something that at first glance is a pair of pants and I'm instantly anxious because I'm anticipating having to say hi to a stranger walking up the driveway and it's private property so this person should really know better, and I'm really high so instantly I'm on edge about this unknown person approaching me--

When it finishes ambling out from behind the tree and I see it's a baby black bear and I'm instantly relieved because I'm no longer gonna have to say hi to a weirdo, but then the relief vanishes to a new anxiety because BABY BEAR and I jump up to my feet, and the bear is like !!!! ADULT HUMAN so it starts moving along and I decide to risk mom cuz the door is near so I start taking pictures ASAP

So my emotions in that experience were:

FEAR: stranger!
RELIEF: bear
FEAR: BEAR

PS: Never saw mom. Maybe that's how big a black bear is when it has to leave? In that case, they are wimps lol

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I wanna meet a little baby bear 😭 from a distance. Fingers crossed for my CTB nature trip.
 
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Jorms_McGander

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I wanna meet a little baby bear 😭 from a distance. Fingers crossed for my CTB nature trip.
I love the idea of partial or full hanging in the woods.

I do not as much love the idea of being eaten by a momma black bear.

But they are wimps! Once upon a time and in a group of two, we chased a young momma black plus a cub away from a chicken they were eating. And they basically didn't put up much of an argument, then we just had to make sure she didn't run into us on her way out of the yard.
 
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I'm sorry, but I genuinely would struggle in wanting to leave my daughter in the hands of a man than in the hands of a bear. Bears are generally docile creatures in the first place, unless my daughter was to attack it or make it believe it's being attacked, it generally shouldn't try to hurt her at all
 

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