Looks like it's over. Trump wins.

[Azora]

We're not gonna question the bodily autonomy of women in a forum that puts bodily autonomy as the core value that legitimites the right to die in the first place.



Interesting. Do you recognise the ban on assisted suicide and restrictions on your right to die in many countries around the world stem mostly from religious dogma and its influence on society? Like, what do you think both parties in the US would respond to the prospect of assisted suicide as a basic human right that ensures you remain in control over your own life and death? It's just a bit odd to suggest that Christians, the dominant religion that makes up the majority of the population, has been discriminated at, when it's minority groups like a trans woman like myself who has been persecuted in many states simply for existing with laws that make it more difficult to live my life the way I want, without harming anyone. Do you think the 250 anti-trans bills that were filed in many red states, places with a high priority for "Christian values", are an act of tolerance and acceptance?

Most societies as well as most religions, including non-Christian ones, prohibit suicide so I don't think it could be said that it predominantly comes from Christian dogma. The singling out of Christians as a culprit amidst all other religions that share similar values is also an example of an inherant anti-Christian bias.

 

[Dot]

@Azora u hve nt postd snce Aprl

Y r u suddnly comng bck t/ SaSu t/ tlk dwn 2 suicdl ppl ovr politcs aftr nt postng fr 7 mnths

Th/ electn hs obvsly nt lft u feelng n.e mre suicdl thn b4

 

[illvoid]

Most societies as well as most religions, including non-Christian ones, prohibit suicide so I don't think it could be said that it predominantly comes from Christian dogma. The singling out of Christians as a culprit amidst all other religions that share similar values is also an example of an inherant anti-Christian bias.

Nobody here is interested in hearing about how you choose to vote against your own interest and that of your fellow Americans. Shut your white christian tears up and understand that minorities are not SAFE under trump. LISTEN to the words out of his mouth, I can't believe that's so hard. Do you physically hear something else??? I don't fucking get it.

 

[Mooseanonsky]

Why are there so many right winged/apolitical people in a suicide forum? You'd think they'd have empathy for people who are literally going to suffer under another Trump presidency. What the absolute fuck? I mean, they're probably trolls but still. Shits wild.

 

[LostSoul1965]

"Republicans ruining the country and possibly the entire world"
yes, that is in fact brainwashing and extremely over dramatic. There is nothing "lmao" about it really.
That is the state out our society. And you are an example.
If that is how you choose to interpret it so be it. But I speak facts

Do you think the last four years under Biden has been nothing short of a disaster?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Correct on all counts. And everything that I've said was to get a "rise" out of you.

How mature of you to admit to trolling. I'm glad that my post has encouraged you to admit to your wrongdoings. That's character-growth in my book.

 

[Azora]

Nobody here is interested in hearing about how you choose to vote against your own interest and that of your fellow Americans. Shut your white christian tears up and understand that minorities are not SAFE under trump. LISTEN to the words out of his mouth, I can't believe that's so hard. Do you physically hear something else??? I don't fucking get it.

Again, this is not a rational viewpoint. There is no aspect of Trump's administration that has any plans to take away any minorities rights or otherwise make them "unsafe" nor has he said anything to that effect. This is just fearmongering.

Why are there so many right winged/apolitical people in a suicide forum? You'd think they'd have empathy for people who are literally going to suffer under another Trump presidency. What the absolute fuck? I mean, they're probably trolls but still. Shits wild.

You're not going to suffer. And I can assure you that leftists are not the only ones in the world who have suicidal thoughts.

 

[LittleJem]

Any civilized society has the responsibility to not have an innocent girl kill her baby. There are many wonderful people in the world who will care for an infant if another is unable to. And I'm sorry that you believe a child growing in a womb is just a "clump of cells." I pray that you find God one day so that you don't have to live with such darkness in your heart.

The statistics for mental illness amongst children who have been adopted are documented and horrifying. Unwanted/adopted children are set up for a lifetime of suffering. You are effectively cursing them. With your moralising that has no basis in the reality of suffering. Mind your own business.

 

[Dot]

Also cngratulatns fr b-ing a Christn wh/ votd fr sme1 wh/ profitd $300k frm sellng brandd bibls

Tht = xactly wht Jsus wld hve dne

You're not going to suffer. And I can assure you that leftists are not the only ones in the world who have suicidal thoughts.

& u d/ nt gt 2 spk 2 othr ppl xperncs wh/ u d/ nt undrstnd

& also u r dismssng suicdl thghts of ppl on frum fr suicdl ppl

 

[RainAndSadness]

Most societies as well as most religions, including non-Christian ones, prohibit suicide so I don't think it could be said that it predominantly comes from Christian dogma. The singling out of Christians as a culprit amidst all other religions that share similar values is also an example of an inherant anti-Christian bias.

I don't care if you perceive my position as anti-Christian. I simply pointed out the fact that suicide being considered immoral in many western countries is the result of centuries of Christian influence over moral values and laws. Just because other religions have the same bias does not mean Christianity doesn't have its own take on suicide. Yes it does, as you just pointed out and there are a lot of people in the Republican party, who are now gonna be the people in power by the way, who have an anti-right to die position because of their religion.

And look. Moderator note here:
It's actually concerning that you've decided to come to this forum after such an important election and rub into everyone's face how they don't have a right to bodily autonomy (context abortion). We're not having that discussion here, okay. And this forum has a lot of marginalized members who live in the US and who will suffer horribly under a new Trump administration, which is going to lay the groundworks and further establish a theofascist agenda.

We're not gonna do that here, after this election this place being a safe space for minorities and marginalized people, especially those who struggle with suicidal thoughts has become even more important and I am gonna make sure we have the proper atmosphere in this forum to enable a safe space for people who need this forum the most in these dire times. In case you didn't know, there are a lot of people here who are suicidal as a result of their political landscape, which enables laws and policies that target them directly.

 

[Mooseanonsky]

Again, this is not a rational viewpoint. There is no aspect of Trump's administration that has any plans to take away any minorities rights or otherwise make them "unsafe" nor has he said anything to that effect. This is just fearmongering.

You're not going to suffer. And I can assure you that leftists are not the only ones in the world who have suicidal thoughts.

Again, this is not a rational viewpoint. There is no aspect of Trump's administration that has any plans to take away any minorities rights or otherwise make them "unsafe" nor has he said anything to that effect. This is just fearmongering.

You're not going to suffer. And I can assure you that leftists are not the only ones in the world who have suicidal thoughts.

I'm not white, male, or Christian.

 

[untothedepths]

I guess I'm a bit on the opposite side of the viewpoint on this. Donald Trump's win has given me some amount of hope that I haven't had in a while. It seemed for a time that Western civilzation was destined to be forfeit and that white Christians such as myself just had to deal with discrimination. Now I see that I'm not alone and in fact most people agree with me. Today has been filled with an optimism I haven't had in a while. I'm so happy that he won!

I never really understood the idea that Trump has somehow been against the LGBT+ community. That's never been a part of his belief or his campaign. The notion that you have to now be afraid if you're LGBT is kind of silly and not really a rational viewpoint. The truth is that life was better for Americans 4 years ago when he was president.

It might be disappointing to not have your side win, but this is certainly a win for America as real issues like the economy, inflation, immigration and crime will be addressed in meaningful ways. Sometimes there's a difference between what you want and what you need.

read project 2025. you guys are hardly discriminated at all. the heritage foundation is literally creating christian nationalism, what the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Azora]

The statistics for mental illness amongst children who have been adopted are documented and horrifying. Unwanted/adopted children are set up for a lifetime of suffering. You are effectively cursing them. With your moralising that has no basis in the reality of suffering. Mind your own business.

That's nonsense. Adopted children have every ability to live a long and happy life same as anyone. And I assure you that having them murdered is not a solution.

I don't care if you perceive my position as anti-Christian. I simply pointed out the fact that suicide being considered immoral in many western countries is the result of centuries of Christian influence over moral values and laws. Just because other religions have the same bias does not mean Christianity doesn't have its own take on suicide. Yes it does, as you just pointed out and there are a lot of people in the Republican party, who are now gonna be the people in power by the way, who have an anti-right to die position because of their religion.

And look. Moderator note here:
It's actually concerning that you've decided to come to this forum after such an important election and rub into everyone's face how they don't have a right to bodily autonomy (context abortion). We're not having that discussion here, okay. And this forum has a lot of marginalized members who live in the US and who will suffer horribly under a new Trump administration, which is going to lay the groundworks and further establish a theofascist agenda.

We're not gonna do that here, after this election this place being a safe space for minorities and marginalized people, especially those who struggle with suicidal thoughts has become even more important and I am gonna make sure we have the proper atmosphere in this forum to enable a safe space for people who need this forum the most in these dire times.

I wasn't the one who brought up the topic of abortion. My post was one of genuine happiness, for which I was immediately attacked for not being leftist enough. Bullying people for not being progressive doesn't strike me exactly as an inclusive value either. Do Trump supporters and Christians have a place in your new safe space or only for the ones who share your personal opinions?

 

[illvoid]

That's nonsense. Adopted children have every ability to live a long and happy life same as anyone. And I assure you that having them murdered is not

I wasn't the one who brought up the topic of abortion. My post was one of genuine happiness, for which I was immediately attacked for not being leftist enough. Bullying people for not being progressive doesn't strike me as exactly as an inclusive value either. Do Trump supporters and Christians have a place in your new safe space or only for the ones who share your personal opinions?

You were attacked because you saw people saying that they are planning to CTB now that trump has won the election and decided to go on about how happy you were. TIME AND PLACE. Read the room, it was disgusting and disrespectful of you.
Notice how you have nothing to say to me? That's GUILT. You KNOW you're wrong.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I wasn't the one who brought up the topic of abortion. My post was one of genuine happiness, for which I was immediately attacked for not being leftist enough. Bullying people for not being progressive doesn't strike me as exactly as an inclusive value either. Do Trump supporters and Christians have a place in your new safe space or only for the ones who share your personal opinions?

Damn, boy. All I'm hear from you right now is

 

[Azora]

Damn, boy. All I'm hear from you right now is

I'm not a boy, and I assure you I'm not crying. Today has actually been quite a happy day.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I'm not a boy, and I assure you I'm not crying. Today has actually been quite a happy day.

Damn, still coming at me with that

vibe, huh?

 

[Failedtime]

i have my finger hovering over the buy button on dmc as we speak

May I ask what DMC is?

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

We're not gonna question the bodily autonomy of women in a forum that puts bodily autonomy as the core value that legitimites the right to die in the first place.

This didn't sit well with me--

Maybe I'm reading too much into it and this was merely an expression of thought; so maybe it's not meant to deligitimize any further talk on the bodily autonomy of women. However it comes across as a mod (ab)using their influence to dictate what a user will and will not be allowed to discuss on the platform due to personal preference. In all fairness a women's right to their anatomy have in the past been tolerated (allowed) in debates on the forums and even coincided with the right to die in the same thread(s).

 

[untothedepths]

definitely did not read project 2025. of course they fucking didnt.

 

[RainAndSadness]

That's nonsense. Adopted children have every ability to live a long and happy life same as anyone. And I assure you that having them murdered is not a solution.

I wasn't the one who brought up the topic of abortion. My post was one of genuine happiness, for which I was immediately attacked for not being leftist enough. Bullying people for not being progressive doesn't strike me exactly as an inclusive value either. Do Trump supporters and Christians have a place in your new safe space or only for the ones who share your personal opinions?

All people who accept the principles and values of this forum do. I just wonder how you can be pro-choice on one issue and anti-choice on another issue, how is that compatible without doing severe mental gymnastics? Like, it doesn't seem like you have a principled stance there. And, you said a few pages ago that Trump's agenda does not prosecute LGBT people and yes, it does. Trump has said repeatedly how they are performing "sex change" in schools and how "sex change" or any kind of transition should be outlawed and how only sex should be legally recognised and gender abolished, which would traumatize a lot of trans people and create an enviroment that makes them commit suicide. If you vocally celebrate that, I don't want you here.

This didn't sit well with me--

Maybe I'm reading too much into it and this was merely an expression of thought; so maybe it's not meant to deligitimize any further talk on the bodily autonomy of women. However it comes across as a mod using their influence to dictate what a user will and will not be allowed to discuss on the platform due to personal preference. In all fairness a women's right to their anatomy have in the past been tolerated (allowed) in debates on the forums and even coincided with the right to die in the same thread(s).

How can you support the right to die while opposing the right to an abortion? Both subjects are interlinked because the support of both ideas require acknowledgemnt of bodily and individual autonomy. If you have a living organism that feeds off your body without consent (and consent is something you can revoke at any time), you have a right to remove it, period. That's bodily autonomy. Nobody can force your body to do anything, nobody can force you to donate blood or donate organs against your will, right. And you would agree with that, don't you? You justify suicide with the exact same argument, right. Your body, your life, your decision. A fetus does not get to feed off your body without your consent and the will of an adult person (person as in indivual with a set of rights, a fetus is not a person) always outweights something that doesn't feel pain and isn't conscious in the first place. Like I could do this chain of arguments all day, I just don't have the time for it but my point is, how do you justify suicide and oppose abortion without being morally and logically inconsistent. It's impossible.

 

[Dot]

I'm not a boy, and I assure you I'm not crying. Today has actually been quite a happy day.

U wre attcked becse u r talkng dwn 2 & patrnisng frightnd ppl whle gloatng

I.m.o u vistd sasu only fr purpse of gloatng 2dy & showng 0 Mpathy fr n.e1 els

D/ nt ply victm whn u r provokng ppl wth ur atttude

 

[Azora]

All people who accept the principles and values of this forum do. I just wonder how you can be pro-choice on one issue and anti-choice on another issue, how is that compatible without doing severe mental gymnastics? Like, doesn't seem like you have a principled stance there. And, you said a few pages ago that Trump's agenda do not prosecute LGBT people and yes, it does. Trump has said repeatedly how they are performing "sex change" in schools and how "sex change" or any kind of transition should be outlawed and how only sex should be legally recognised and gender abolished, which would traumatize a lot of trans people and create an enviroment that makes them commit suicide. If you vocally celebrate that, I don't want you here.

The principles of this forum is to be pro-choice? When did this rule come about? It seems as though you're prescribing your personal views to be the "values" of this forum while ignoring the rules about bullying others since half the posts in this thread are personal attacks against me. As for my views on legislation against suicide, I don't believe I've commented on that yet but I do believe there is a stark difference between choosing to kill yourself and the killing of another innocent person.

Concerning Trump's comments, you're probably referring to his point concerning sex changes specifically on children, and he never claimed to want to outlaw sex changes. The other stuff you claimed he did not say at all. It's also worth noting that this exact same hyperbole was said by the LGBT community in the 2016 election and none of it ever came about. Imagine that.

 

[illvoid]

The principles of this forum is to be pro-choice? When did this rule come about? It seems as though you're prescribing your personal views to be the "values" of this forum while ignoring the rules about bullying others since half the posts in this thread are personal attacks against me. As for my views on legislation against suicide, I don't believe I've commented on that yet but I do believe there is a stark difference between choosing to kill yourself and the killing of another innocent person.

Concerning Trump's comments, you're probably referring to his point concerning sex changes specifically on children, and he never claimed to want to outlaw sex changes. The other stuff you claimed he did not say at all. It's also worth noting that this exact same hyperbole was said by the LGBT community in the 2016 election and none of it ever came about. Imagine that.

Notice how you STILL have nothing to say to ANYONE calling you out for being blatantly nasty and disrespectful??? Just gonna keep talking like we're not here? Acting like nothing happened to queer and transgender people already?

 

[Dot]

Notice how you STILL have nothing to say to ANYONE calling you out for being blatantly nasty and disrespectful??? Just gonna keep talking like we're not here? Acting like nothing happened to queer and transgender people already?

Am feelng margnlly bettr tht am nt th/ only persn b-ing out-rght ignord

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

How can you support the right to die while opposing the right to an abortion? Both subjects are interlinked because the support of both ideas require acknowledgemnt of bodily and individual autonomy. If you have a living organism that feeds off your body without consent (and consent is something you can revoke at any time), you have a right to remove it, period. That's bodily autonomy. Nobody can force your body to do anything, nobody can force you to donate blood or donate organs against your will, right. And you would agree with that, don't you? You justify suicide with the exact same argument, right. Your body, your life, your decision. A fetus does not get to feed off your body without your consent and the will of an adult person (person as in indivual with a set of rights, a fetus is not a person) always outweights something that doesn't feel pain and isn't conscious in the first place. Like I could do this chain of arguments all day, I just don't have the time for it but my point is, how do you justify suicide and oppose abortion without being morally and logically inconsistent. It's impossible.

Where did I say I support the right to die but oppose the right to an abortion? I didn't. In fact that's irrelevant because that was not the issue. My issue was (Azora) not having the right to question the bodily autonomy of women simply because you have a different stance on it. People have the right to their opinions, however misguided. I don't support openly telling a person what they can and can't choose to discuss simply because of a particular day of an important event; or because you "don't want them here" and you're a mod. That's all.

Btw, if it wasn't apparent, I do support the right to an abortion.

 

[untothedepths]

trump doesnt need his gooners to hang off every word when he can, and will, put people from an extremist back think tank into office and with a possible entire house and senate being republicans no one is going to stop them. total abortion ban? check. total porn ban? check. force Christianity in every school? check. dismantle the department of education? check. conflate transgender people with groomers, and create legislation based around that? check. ban contraceptives and afterbirth pills? check. gut mental health completely? check.

the list goes on and on but anytime when asked if they even know about it they either say "its make believe" or "trump has nothing to do with that" despite having former cabinet members from the heritage foundation and mostly likely will pick people from that shit.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

The principles of this forum is to be pro-choice? When did this rule come about? It seems as though you're prescribing your personal views to be the "values" of this forum while ignoring the rules about bullying others since half the posts in this thread are personal attacks against me.

Pro-choice doesn't mean "pro-you coming here to celebrate the election results on a thread where many are feeling depressed and suicidal". If you want to celebrate the election results, then make your own thread doing so. Don't come onto a thread to gloat about the orange dumbass winning. Also, most people aren't even "bullying" you. They are just calling you out on your bullshit.

I don't know why I'm even making this post because I'm still 90% sure you are a troll, but I digress. You are not a victim for being white, you are not a victim for being Christian, and you are not a victim because people decided to call you out on your bullshit.

 

[RainAndSadness]

The principles of this forum is to be pro-choice? When did this rule come about? It seems as though you're prescribing your personal views to be the "values" of this forum while ignoring the rules about bullying others since half the posts in this thread are personal attacks against me. As for my views on legislation against suicide, I don't believe I've commented on that yet but I do believe there is a stark difference between choosing to kill yourself and the killing of another innocent person.

Yeah people who express anti-choice sentiment here ususally don't last that long. It's been the rule for years that you're allowed to express yourself in this forum if you don't proletyze or impose anti-choice views. We're a pro-choice community in case you didn't notice. The last time you logged in and posted on this forum was on April 18, so it's clear you just came here to smear into everyone's face what the repercussions are gonna be of a Trump presidency and I'm not gonna tolerate that.

Also, a fetus is not a person but that's not very surprising you say that because not one single person who has opposed abortion so far has been able to speak to me in a sound manner and I've spoken to many anti-abortion advocates over the years. You're also not killing a fetus, you're aborting them. Death is merely the side-effect of the procedure of removing an unwanted organism from your body.

Concerning Trump's comments, you're probably referring to his point concerning sex changes specifically on children, and he never claimed to want to outlaw sex changes. The other stuff you claimed he did not say at all. It's also worth noting that this exact same hyperbole was said by the LGBT community in the 2016 election and none of it ever came about. Imagine that.

"I will sign a new federal order instructing all federal agencies to cease all programs that promote the concept of sex and gender transition at any age.", "I will ask congress to establish a bill that the only genders recognised by the United States goverment are male and female and they are assigned at birth", "we will protect the rights of parents from being forced to to allows their minor child to assume a gender which is new and and an identity without the parents consent", etc. He also invalidates the concept of being trans in general right at the very end. He is spouting pro-suicide policies.



I rest my case. Additionally, I made my case for trans rights in these threads, supported with scientific evidence:

Saudi trans woman took her own life after being forced to de-transition by her family.

A trans person took her own life. Eden Knight committed suicide because her family forced her to detransition, that means this suicide is the result of her abusive enviroment. This case went viral because of the horrific circumstances that led to her suicide. And it's not the first time this has...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Oklahoma tries banning gender care under age 26.

I've already warned you repeatedly about this in the past and here we have it, the first state now tries banning trans-affirming care for adults under 26 years old. That's a huge problem because with the biological clock ticking, there is a general rule when it comes to transition - the earlier...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Additional studies:

Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth

There are no large-scale studies examining mental health among transgender and nonbinary youth who receive gender-affirming hormone therapy (GAHT). The purpose of this study is to examine associations among access to GAHT with depression, thoughts of suicide, and attempted suicide among a large...

www.jahonline.org

Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes

This study evaluates associations between gender-affirming surgeries and mental health outcomes, including psychological distress, substance use, and suicide risk.

jamanetwork.com

Policies that target adults are bad enough but children, that comes with fatal consequences as they are more vulnerable and more at risk of self-harm and suicide if they're not properly supported, especially if they are trans. Is that too controversial? Well, too bad but that's the scientific position and Trump's announced policies WILL increase the suicide rate among trans youth. Also, rest in peace Leelah Alcorn. I can do this all day, but this time is better invested watching paint dry.

 

[Azora]

trump doesnt need his gooners to hang off every word when he can, and will, put people from an extremist back think tank into office and with a possible entire house and senate being republicans no one is going to stop them. total abortion ban? check. total porn ban? check. force Christianity in every school? check. dismantle the department of education? check. conflate transgender people with groomers, and create legislation based around that? check. ban contraceptives and afterbirth pills? check. gut mental health completely? check.

the list goes on and on but anytime when asked if they even know about it they either say "its make believe" or "trump has nothing to do with that" despite having former cabinet members from the heritage foundation and mostly likely will pick people from that shit.

None of that is going to happen and there's no evidence that it would. This rhetoric is an exact copy of what progressives said in 2016. It's not real. Trump is not a supervillain here to kill all gay people, despite what reddit might have told you. But if you think I'm lying or naive just wait a while and see. It would make more sense to react to something happening rather than the fear of something happening in the future, no?

Pro-choice doesn't mean "pro-you coming here to celebrate the election results on a thread where many are feeling depressed and suicidal". If you want to celebrate the election results, then make your own thread doing so. Don't come onto a thread to gloat about the orange dumbass winning. Also, most people aren't even "bullying" you. They are just calling you out on your bullshit.

I don't know why I'm even making this post because I'm still 90% sure you are a troll, but I digress. You are not a victim for being white, you are not a victim for being Christian, and you are not a victim because people decided to call you out on your bullshit.

You have made several posts now calling me a "troll" while simultaneously posting just to make personal attacks. Have some self-awareness. And I never said I was a victim I really don't care what you think.