"Life has its ups and downs" - cope debunked

[sserafim]

No it doesn't moron, not for 90+% of the population at least.

Generally speaking life has its neutrals and downs. The "ups", when they happen, aren't as the statement implies, equal emotional experiences to the downs which often leave their permanent impact, compared to the ups that often come with this shallow and fleeting sensation even while they're happening.

In terms of pleasure, these are the "ups" that exist for most people:

Manic episodes
Drugs, drinking
Youth and inexperience, the feeling that everything under the sun is new
the honeymoon phases of relationships (and other scams like get-rich-quicks)
Stockholm syndrome experiences - you trick yourself because you HAVE to see it as something significant due to social conditioning and because you invested so much into it: weddings, vacations, school graduations, buying sports cars as subrich, etc


One of the purposes of this bluepilled lie is to offer comfort/encouragement for people in difficult circumstances. Which is valid but there's no need to throw in so much bullshit and insane copium. I have my goals in life of course, that I want to accomplish in spite of anything. What I cannot say is that these goals are rational or will grant me either pleasure or peace. These are all things you either have or you don't

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Idk I've had quite a few ups but I still can't say they've made the downs ultimately worth it I suppose.

Assuming this is another copypaste from that one website, I feel like being there is still just another illusory form of coping unfortunately for many of its members.

 

[SchizoGymnast]

I would disagree that there are no genuine ups. I've experienced many of them (sober!) The problem is that we live in society that increasingly tries to deny the means for the average person to get any pleasure out of life.

 

[sserafim]

I would disagree that there are no genuine ups. I've experienced many of them (sober!) The problem is that we live in society that increasingly tries to deny the means for the average person to get any pleasure out of life.

What are they (the genuine ups/pleasure out of life)?

 

[SchizoGymnast]

What are they (the genuine ups/pleasure out of life)?

I've had the opportunity to save lives, I have had religious experiences, taken part in protests, made a breakthrough with a client that is struggling with something.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Life is going to be a unique experience for everyone. So, some may genuinely feel that it does have more positives in it than negatives.

I do understand the sense of bafflement at people who appear at least to be happy. Especially when they do actual have troubled lives also.

Still, I don't know how helpful it is to have this kind of polar opposite thinking. To decide that their way of thinking is wrong or delusional. How do we know? Surely, that's exactly what they are doing to us!

Except they arguably have more basis to do so because they can blame mental illness. Not saying I entirely agree with that. I definitely don't think the presence of mental illness prevents someone from being able to reason. Still- our perspectives may well be negatively skewed.

Who is the more reliable witness to life in general though? I imagine the 'average' person- without mental illness. Where I take issue is that our own perspective on life is all we have. Even if others think it may be delussional- it's our whole world. It's also largely down to us on whether we want to try and change that perspective. So- it should be up to us to decide our own fate ultimately in my view.

 

[divinemistress36]

You guys feel ups?!

 

[deadeyesnowman]

How about we hope that this damned world gets wiped out of existence.

Everyone is dead, everyone is even. Absolute equilibrium.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I also believe that the "ups" aren't really ups but rather just neutral. Many people think that they're ups though because, if they didn't, evolution would most likely not work. I think that the only people on earth who experience ups are the multi billionaires on earth

 

[lost_ange1]

I also had "ups" since i have been mental sick but soon in my circumstances i had the same amount of deep downs right after. So Every "up" was followed by a down which didn't feel like worth it and made me want to be rather always around the neutral line than too up /down. For over a year now i do not feel much anymore. Joy or hype for something is just erased out of my system. I don't know if i just can enjoy the "good" things anymore because of my mental problems or if they are really just no good things for me anymore.

 

[Vicolo cieco]

Ups don't exist, there is only relief from suffering states such as hunger, thirst, boredom, pain, loneliness, etc. If we succeed in relieving those states, we feel pleasure. The issue is mistaking pleasure for a net positive (+1) when in reality the transition is from a negative state of deprivation (-1) to a neutral one (0) of satisfaction.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

An avg life has ups and downs that over a longer period of time are almost equal (= avg). unfortunately for some of us the downs outweigh the ups unproportionally and that leads to MH issues and all the like we r suffering from.

 

[lizzywizzy09]

Any "ups" I feel are cancelled out by the "down" that is my whole life.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Any "ups" I feel are cancelled out by the "down" that is my whole life.

I can relate to that but not for my whole life, only for the last years. I wish we all would not have to suffer this way.

 

[ctbcat]

people always say this in response to my hopelessness and it really pisses me off.

do you think i haven't tried waiting and waiting for the 'up' to come? it goes down because that's all that can happen to a person like me; a person unwilling to be helped, help myself, change... i want to stay terrible, because uncomfortable has become comfortable, and life is content to keep me there...

i dunno. i waited a whole year for things to get back to happy, to nice, a few yrs back. i ended that year with an eating disorder.

you put it to words. life is full of neutrals and downs.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

No it doesn't moron, not for 90+% of the population at least.

Generally speaking life has its neutrals and downs. The "ups", when they happen, aren't as the statement implies, equal emotional experiences to the downs which often leave their permanent impact, compared to the ups that often come with this shallow and fleeting sensation even while they're happening.

In terms of pleasure, these are the "ups" that exist for most people:

Manic episodes
Drugs, drinking
Youth and inexperience, the feeling that everything under the sun is new
the honeymoon phases of relationships (and other scams like get-rich-quicks)
Stockholm syndrome experiences - you trick yourself because you HAVE to see it as something significant due to social conditioning and because you invested so much into it: weddings, vacations, school graduations, buying sports cars as subrich, etc


One of the purposes of this bluepilled lie is to offer comfort/encouragement for people in difficult circumstances. Which is valid but there's no need to throw in so much bullshit and insane copium. I have my goals in life of course, that I want to accomplish in spite of anything. What I cannot say is that these goals are rational or will grant me either pleasure or peace. These are all things you either have or you don't

Good points . the horrible downs can leave you traumatized . some bad memories will never go away.

the downs far outweigh the supposed ups

I see the supposed good crap as bait and traps for extreme pain that could get any human at any time

For example some might think watching garbage like youtube is enjoyable or good. But imo that's just an addiction.

"I need to watch these videos" then a blood vessel breaks in my brain the next day or i become homeless or get cancer .... Was that video or that music or sandwich seeing a sunset worth that? Not to me. I'm listing this crap they tell us are soooo gooood . That isn't good to me I see it for what It is

I don't see how one can separate the "good" from the worst pain or the most horrible things since they are both part of this evil world and evil life

And i'm not depressed. It's just a rational analysis. the horrible and painful things outweigh the good enjoyable things in both intensity and duration. nothing can compare to 1 minute of the worst pain much less hours , weeks of that kind of constant pain . another example any sentient creature can suffer the pain of long term starvation for months constant pain of starvation but eating food is pleasurable for only a short time that is quickly forgotten. trillions of sentient beings have suffered starvation . starvation was the norm for humans before civillization technology supermarkets when a human had to walk miles every day to look for some animal they could kill to eat or some edible plant food

 

[AbusedInnocent]

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[Nothing87]

I understand and respect your point of view.


I do believe there is "ups" in life but it is only for rich and those people who didn't experience any pain,problems,mental illnesses and struggles in their life lol.


I used to say that to other people without caring about the meaning of it but now I change my perspective of it because of this thread, the "ups" in life are mostly to distract us from the "downs" of life. Happiness is temporary or it doesn't really exist at all.

 

[Throwawayacc3]

No it doesn't moron, not for 90+% of the population at least.

Generally speaking life has its neutrals and downs. The "ups", when they happen, aren't as the statement implies, equal emotional experiences to the downs which often leave their permanent impact, compared to the ups that often come with this shallow and fleeting sensation even while they're happening.

In terms of pleasure, these are the "ups" that exist for most people:

Manic episodes
Drugs, drinking
Youth and inexperience, the feeling that everything under the sun is new
the honeymoon phases of relationships (and other scams like get-rich-quicks)
Stockholm syndrome experiences - you trick yourself because you HAVE to see it as something significant due to social conditioning and because you invested so much into it: weddings, vacations, school graduations, buying sports cars as subrich, etc


One of the purposes of this bluepilled lie is to offer comfort/encouragement for people in difficult circumstances. Which is valid but there's no need to throw in so much bullshit and insane copium. I have my goals in life of course, that I want to accomplish in spite of anything. What I cannot say is that these goals are rational or will grant me either pleasure or peace. These are all things you either have or you don't

I've noticed some people saying that the other way of thinking is wrong. They don't understand that when you tell the OTHER people these things they say:

That's not true
Don't be dramatic
It doesn't happen to most people
Other people have it so much worse
Etc etc.

I've posted threads with studies and graphs so even someone who is low IQ can understand to a degree what it means. It's like telling a kid with bone cancer - don't worry, it'll get better and there will be ups lmao. What a fucked up world.

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I posted this before along with a study going along with it. It goes well with the Matthew's Effect/Principle. Unfortunately I am wrong because I'm just depressed and had too many negative life experiences lol. Backwards land.

 

[Superdeterminist]

For me life has been 99% down, 1% up. Maybe other people have a greater proportion of up, that must be nice, huh. Unfortunately, good luck is pretty damn scarce in this repulsive world.

 

[yxmux]

Agree. I think even with the so-called "ups" and "downs" in life, there may still be a downward trend (relevant emoji: ). The "up" gives hints at some sort of growth or upturn that may never even happen. And, unlike the actual stock market, you are the one who knows your life's trajectory the most.

 

[IwantHappiness]

What are they (the genuine ups/pleasure out of life)?

owning nembutal

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

This psychopath thinks life is so worth living that he wants to give this "gift" to 999,999,999,985 more people.

Is it possible to house a trillion people in space? Jeff Bezos’s vision may run into rough weather

Experts point out that there are numerous challenges while envisaging people staying outside Earth in the solar system. Deep and extensive research will be needed before people can start living in space ships outside our planet.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Throwawayacc3]

This psychopath thinks life is so worth living that he wants to give this "gift" to 999,999,999,985 more people.

Is it possible to house a trillion people in space? Jeff Bezos’s vision may run into rough weather

Experts point out that there are numerous challenges while envisaging people staying outside Earth in the solar system. Deep and extensive research will be needed before people can start living in space ships outside our planet.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Did you see the millionaire guy who tried living his life from $0 and building up from there with no access to his previous business. He managed to get a salaried job (about $60,000 a year I believe) but he had to cut the experiment short a good few months because of the stress, anxiety and health related issues lmao. Let me see if I can find the video. Ok I found it:



Edit: just be positive bro. We all have some down points in life bro. Look even I can do it.

FAILS MISERABLY

OH WELL. At least I can go back to my old life and have resources again to do what I want. See ya later peasants!

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Did you see the millionaire guy who tried living his life from $0 and building up from there with no access to his previous business. He managed to get a salaried job (about $60,000 a year I believe) but he had to cut the experiment short a good few months because of the stress, anxiety and health related issues lmao. Let me see if I can find the video. Ok I found it:

Yeah saw that . He didn't last very long did he?

 

[Throwawayacc3]

Yeah saw that . He didn't last very long did he?

Nah bro. It was just an anomaly. If someone else does it it'll work. Stop being such a downer!

 

[untothedepths]

Did you see the millionaire guy who tried living his life from $0 and building up from there with no access to his previous business. He managed to get a salaried job (about $60,000 a year I believe) but he had to cut the experiment short a good few months because of the stress, anxiety and health related issues lmao. Let me see if I can find the video. Ok I found it:



Edit: just be positive bro. We all have some down points in life bro. Look even I can do it.

FAILS MISERABLY

OH WELL. At least I can go back to my old life and have resources again to do what I want. See ya later peasants!

I loathe the actions of these attention seekers. Truly motherless behavior. What is with rich people wanting to larp homelessness and being poor? If you want to do it, actually fucking do it, cowards.

 

[Throwawayacc3]

I loathe the actions of these attention seekers. Truly motherless behavior. What is with rich people wanting to larp homelessness and being poor? If you want to do it, actually fucking do it, cowards.

The absolute funniest thing about this (it actually made me laugh and that's hard to do) is that he actually did it. Anyone would know that going from 0 to a million today is statically impossible unless you have the right connections. Even with bad personality traits (to screw over as many people as possible) it's still insanely unlikely.

When he started getting medically issues I burst out laughing. And he has the audacity to help "charities" which are all in on the scam as well but he's not going to tell you how much goes to research and how much goes to the directors at the top is he? That would ruin the surprise. It's one thing to be rich and have an animal sanctuary and not larp on about it. It's another thing being rich because you fucked over people and paid them fuck all to stay at the top. This is why you don't trust people in authoritarian roles - police, business, medical, social, etc. when you start digging and following the money it always leads to nonsense.

 

[Aergia]

What are they (the genuine ups/pleasure out of life)?

Fulfilling one's sense of purpose. Positively affecting the lives of others. The satisfaction of acquiring knowledge. Love (platonic or romantic). It's not like I've truly experienced those things either but there's simply no rational reason for us to assume everyone's happiness derives from nothing more than drugs/ignorance/self-deception.

 

[Yarani]

One of the comments particularly stood out to me:

"You don't need anyone's help to stand up on your own. Don't think about depending on anyone. Dependency is a privilege. Most problems, even one own emotion can be resolved by willpower and rational thinking."