Noitu x Love
Lone Wolf
- Feb 13, 2019
- 35
Sigh. Pascal's wager. Out of the thousands of religions (who swear theyre all correct), someone is gonna be unhappy and burning forever. Or demoted to a lower "caste". Or in purgatory. Or in whatever. I was raised southern Baptist and, despite being the most not-with-religion person ever, I'm confident that we're good to go once we die. Let me tell you, these Christians are not walking the walk. Clearly they aren't worried, so why should I be?
WhiteRabbit
I'm late, i'm late. For a very important date.
- Feb 12, 2019
- 1,449
Christians aren't worried because they accept Jesus as their lord and savior, which is the golden ticket, correct? Even if you're a murdering rapist, you can still redeem yourself right at the end. IDK, i've never been religious, but i'd be lying if I said there wasn't a teeny tiny part of me that wonders if i'm going to end up in some form of hell for killing myself.
I hope that we just stop to exist forever. This is the best thing - Nirvana.
But there are those weird theories that consciousness will merge with another "you" in a parallel universe and you can never actually really die. Or that you will live the same life again and again because time is infinite but closed on itself.
Or that theory that we live in a simulation and the death is only an illusion and your data still remains in some form after death.
Reincarnation is scary too because existing is suffering for majority of people.
I can't make myself to believe in some form of heaven, it's least likely.
Life is cruel, why think that death is merciful?
But there are those weird theories that consciousness will merge with another "you" in a parallel universe and you can never actually really die. Or that you will live the same life again and again because time is infinite but closed on itself.
Or that theory that we live in a simulation and the death is only an illusion and your data still remains in some form after death.
Reincarnation is scary too because existing is suffering for majority of people.
I can't make myself to believe in some form of heaven, it's least likely.
Life is cruel, why think that death is merciful?
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There are at least 7 suicide stories in Bible but not one word written about it being wrong. I would assume it was written there if it was seen as a negative thing.
Fear of death is for me sign of depression. I have had it only when being depressed. Also physical pain in head causes me to have negative feelings about everything and see horrible nightmares. But after I take medicine all negative thoughts and fear disappear instantly and I feel happy.
I don't believe in death at all due to my nde but nothingness would be as good as heaven in my opinion. For me death is going home. I believe that earthly life is for our learning which we have chosen. I believe that everything is predestined in life which many have said after their nde.
Religions causes so much harm in this world. I believe that to live good life and make world a better place is to love and be love (which Jesus summoned it too). Then people wouldn't even want to harm others.
There are at least 7 suicide stories in Bible but not one word written about it being wrong. I would assume it was written there if it was seen as a negative thing.
Fear of death is for me sign of depression. I have had it only when being depressed. Also physical pain in head causes me to have negative feelings about everything and see horrible nightmares. But after I take medicine all negative thoughts and fear disappear instantly and I feel happy.
I don't believe in death at all due to my nde but nothingness would be as good as heaven in my opinion. For me death is going home. I believe that earthly life is for our learning which we have chosen. I believe that everything is predestined in life which many have said after their nde.
Religions causes so much harm in this world. I believe that to live good life and make world a better place is to love and be love (which Jesus summoned it too). Then people wouldn't even want to harm others.
KnightOfEnceladus
Lost child in time
- May 20, 2019
- 231
For whatever this is worth, my long (12+) years of research into early Christianity and comparative religion have convinced me that the idea of eternal Hell is false. Now for many other reasons I'm not a Christian, rather more like a Deist than anything, but the original text in for example Matthew 25:47 ("...and these shall go away into eternal torment" in English) does not say that in Koine Greek. The term there is "aionios kolasis," something closer to "age-enduring chastisement." The proper Koine for eternal punishment would be something like "aidios timoria," where "aidios" is basically "unchanging" and "timoria" is what we understand by vengeful punishment, as opposed to the use of "kolasis/kolasin" for "punishment intended to correct behavior."
Combined with constant references to "the second death," as in Revelation's "and death and the grave were thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death," it seems the Bible is preaching Annihilationism. Many of the early church fathers were also Annihilationists and some were even Universalist, and an interesting pattern emerges: the longer the period from Jesus' actual death, and the less Greek (and more Latin) is involved, the more likely endless torture was preached. I seem to recall reading that only the Latinate church at Carthage taught this, while two centers after Origen's tradition and two more descending from Theodore of Mopsuestia were outright Universalist.
Can't speak as thoroughly to Islam, except to say the religion is a hideous fraud. Muhammed knew exactly what he was doing.
Combined with constant references to "the second death," as in Revelation's "and death and the grave were thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death," it seems the Bible is preaching Annihilationism. Many of the early church fathers were also Annihilationists and some were even Universalist, and an interesting pattern emerges: the longer the period from Jesus' actual death, and the less Greek (and more Latin) is involved, the more likely endless torture was preached. I seem to recall reading that only the Latinate church at Carthage taught this, while two centers after Origen's tradition and two more descending from Theodore of Mopsuestia were outright Universalist.
Can't speak as thoroughly to Islam, except to say the religion is a hideous fraud. Muhammed knew exactly what he was doing.
GeorgeJL
Enlightened
- Mar 7, 2019
- 1,621
I believe in an afterlife and reincarnation but I also think that you shouldn't end your life until you've given life a good honest shot first.
Mort
No use to know one
- Feb 15, 2019
- 622
Hay if they is an afterlife i most likely CTB in that one to LOL :D . Just be my luck they be an after afterlife and so on HAHA LOL :D
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