Leaving thursday.

[Definitelyworried]

I see. Suicide is a sin by christian standards, right?

Yes it is.

 

[Definitelyworried]

I see. Suicide is a sin by christian standards, right?

Yes it is even though some christians might say it isn't because they would like to beleive that their loved ones who ctb are in heaven.

 

[Deleted member 847]

Well I feel that the bible is making me feel worse about suicide. I feel very confused about reality, if I knew for sure there is no afterlife, I would have an easier time killing myself.

You won't go to hell. These are consensus realities created by people who believe in them. You can only go there if you believe that you deserve to be there. And even if you end up in such a world you will leave as soon as you realize that you created that world.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Well I feel that the bible is making me feel worse about suicide. I feel very confused about reality, if I knew for sure there is no afterlife, I would have an easier time killing myself.

Okay, so let's assume the bible has a point and there is a transcendence being that rules over us like the bible describes it. You certainly have your reason to ctb, right? Do you think, such an omnipotent creature, that is supposed to be all-knowing and powerful to the infinite, would judge you for that?

My personal opinion: I don't think so. I also believe, if there is a god, he would be nothing like the bible describes it. The god in the bible is a very human-like version of a god. Something only humans could come up when writing something like the bible.

 

[Definitelyworried]

Okay, so let's assume the bible has a point and there is a transcendence being that rules over us like the bible describes it. You certainly have your reason to ctb, right? Do you think, such an omnipotent creature, that is supposed to be all-knowing and powerful to the infinite, would judge you for that?

My personal opinion: I don't think so. I also believe, if there is a god, he would be nothing like the bible describes it. The god in the bible is a very human-like version of a god. Something only humans could come up when writing something like the bible.

I appreciate the help you are trying to give me. But God in the bible is really mysterious, almost as if talking about a different dimension. And he punishes the same way life does.
I wish I knew someone who has read the entire bible and could overcome these concerns when thinking of ctb.
I'm not trying to start a debate I really do have these dificulties.
The thing is that I felt as if I could be going to hell probably even if I didn't ctb.
I'm in a lot of mental pain.

 

[Definitelyworried]

Tiredman, are you planning on attempting in the day or night?
If you don't mind me asking?

 

[Tiredman]

I think we have a different understanding of truth in this case. I'm just going with empirical evidence, that's it. And there is none for all of these subjects.

The problem about most of these phenomena is the ethics and procedure to which a scientist would have to perform in order to get said empirical evidence.
-- say ghosts are indeed real for example. How would a scientist be able to study a ghost? They definitely wouldn't willingly just jump into a test tube in some laboratory considering from what I've gathered most ghost experiences seem to suggest that they are not be bound to a physical state anyways.
--say NDE's are real How would one get around the ethics of killing hundreds of test subjects (albeit temporarily) to scientifically study and document their experiences? Furthermore, if it is indeed real, what would make NDE's undeniably disguishable from explainable hallucinations?
--say reincarnation is real. How would one be able to truly prove it's existence unless they themselves experienced memories of their past lives?

I have a question though: since we all evolved from some primitive species millions of years ago, and we're all connected to some way or another... do animals also have an afterlife? I mean, we're nothing else than very developed and evolved apes. What makes us different from others? If we have an afterlife, does a dog have one? Do fish have one? What about insects? What about microscopic organisms? I mean, we're all beings. We all started from the same point. What makes us different? And why? Just because we have better cognitive and intellectual abilities? If you think about the world, how it functions and why we're even here in the first place: do you think there is room for an afterlife?

This is assuming the afterlife (if it exists) is something that we can even truly comprehend as living beings. There are mulitudes of possible definitions for an afterlife so I like to think of it as a multiverse that depends on your consciousness or beliefs at the time of death. This would hypothetically explain why NDE's all seem to be dependent on the persons belief system. Continuing with this train of thought, upon death a person (or animal) would possibly create their own new reality depending on what they believe ... atheist may end up in eternal nothingness because thats what they believed would happen. ... christians would go to heaven (hopefully lol)... spiritualists may become non-corporeal beings ... a dog might be smart enough to enjoy things like bolting around its old owners house but dumb enough not to know its dead so it haunts their house aimlessly for eternity. Who knows maybe we aren't even individuals anymore and all life returns so some sort of collective source in the after life.

It is as bad as they're saying though. The Antarctic will be gone in a matter of years.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ctic-ice-far-greater-than-thought-study-finds

And every few months we find out: "Opps, it's even worse than thought." I've been following scientific reports for quite a while now and I never fail to get surprised. I mean there is a reason it's considered the largest threat to humanity. Although, I'll be gone soon - not that it matters to me personally.

I dont really want to get into the whole climate change debate lol. That's a topic for another day (or life rather). Alls I know is its very hypocritical of them to act like genuine super eco-activists while in the meantime using their fame and aquired wealth to live far beyond their means. I think both of them have multiple houses for example.

 

[Tiredman]

Will you be attempting partial or full suspension?

Depends on the tree that I find I guess. I'd preferably go with partial because it hurts less but If i cant overcome the instinct I'll go try for full suspension.

 

[Tiredman]

Tiredman, are you planning on attempting in the day or night?
If you don't mind me asking?

Probably gonna do a little scouting throughout the day and end up attempting by the evening hopefully

 

[Definitelyworried]

Probably gonna do a little scouting throughout the day and end up attempting by the evening hopefully

They say suicide is taking the easy way out.
It's not easy at all.

 

[Tiredman]

Well my dad took off before I could get all my handy dandy "suicide backpack" from out of my vehicle. I wish he would have told me that he was going to work today. Might have to postpone till tomorrow now...

 

[Deleted member 847]

So I'm the only who is dying today? Sucks.

 

[YaYaDr]

Well my dad took off before I could get all my handy dandy "suicide backpack" from out of my vehicle. I wish he would have told me that he was going to work today. Might have to postpone till tomorrow now...

Keep us updated. Remember, do it when the time is right for you.

 

[Tiredman]

Well he came home and didnt seem to notice the backpack or the journal on the seat lol Thank god! Otherwise I'd be omw to a mental hospital by now. Anyways I was able to get my backpack and Now I just have to do a little scouting in the woods tomorrow for a strong enough tree with accessible branches. Unfortunately all the forests close to my house have lots of sketchy homeless people in them so I'll have to walk to the edge of town to find a suitable tree where I won't be spotted in the act. It sucks because two days ago when I was walking through the forest I found a perfect tree not too far from where I live but right as I was going to test out my rope I was almost spotted by two sketchy junkies smoking crack. Had I not bailed quickly I probably would have been beat up and had my bag taken lol. Long story short I'm probably going to have to walk to the edge of town to find a secluded enough place.

 

[YaYaDr]

I'm probably going to have to walk to the edge of town to find a secluded enough place.

And there you were thinking you couldn't get anymore exercise because of your chronic pain! Lol!

 

[Tiredman]

And there you were thinking you couldn't get anymore exercise because of your chronic pain! Lol!

It hurts to walk for extended periods but It'll be worth it in the end lol.

 

[Karlala]

What is hell when you live in one daily while alive. I do believe in heaven and hell. But the hell I live in now is so unbearable what could be worse can someone here explain why god let's us suffer when you try and do what's right. My life has gotten worse over the past few days and I can't take it anymore. Planning to leave this place is the only peace I have . Is that the devil. I have suffered enough lost a child to cancer, my family has left and I have cancer, I going through hell now. What can really be worse.

 

[Deleted member 847]

What is hell when you live in one daily while alive. I do believe in heaven and hell. But the hell I live in now is so unbearable what could be worse can someone here explain why god let's us suffer when you try and do what's right. My life has gotten worse over the past few days and I can't take it anymore. Planning to leave this place is the only peace I have . Is that the devil. I have suffered enough lost a child to cancer, my family has left and I have cancer, I going through hell now. What can really be worse.

This universe was created as a soul farm by entities who feed on our energy. So you're right, God created this world and yes, he's evil. When you die and go to "heaven" they make you see your life review and persuade you to reincarnate back in this hell. If you kill yourself don't go into the light.

 

[Tiredman]

I think an intelligent lifeform that was even a couple thousand years more advanced than us would be indistinguishable from what we would classify as god. At the current rate of technological advancement I expect that in the next 1000 years (if we don't destroy ourselves) humans will be genetically enhanced cyborgs capable doing of things like: becoming immortal by uploading their consciousness into an interconnected cloud, or terraforming planets. It may be possible that aliens a million or even a billion years more advanced could have evolved past the need for physical bodies.

 

[RainAndSadness]

This universe was created as a soul farm by entities who feed on our energy. So you're right, God created this world and yes, he's evil. When you die and go to "heaven" they make you see your life review and persuade you to reincarnate back in this hell. If you kill yourself don't go into the light.

 

[Tiredman]

 

[Deleted member 847]

If there is an after life this is the most reasonable theory and it would explain why evil exists.

 

[Tiredman]

Ffs there no good trees out here just ones that have no branches and go straight up. The only suitable ones are right next to a hobo house on the other side of town

 

[Definitelyworried]

Ffs there no good trees out here just ones that have no branches and go straight up. The only suitable ones are right next to a hobo house on the other side of town

Thanks for the update.

 

[AveryConure]

I try explaining the type of shit you go through just to end it properly and they say killing yourself is easy lol

 

[Lisa]

Ffs there no good trees out here just ones that have no branches and go straight up. The only suitable ones are right next to a hobo house on the other side of town

Maybe it's a sign you should stick around

 

[millefeui]

Maybe it's a sign you should stick around

Or maybe it just means there were no good trees. "Sign?" Please.

 

[Foryoublue]

What is hell when you live in one daily while alive. I do believe in heaven and hell. But the hell I live in now is so unbearable what could be worse can someone here explain why god let's us suffer when you try and do what's right. My life has gotten worse over the past few days and I can't take it anymore. Planning to leave this place is the only peace I have . Is that the devil. I have suffered enough lost a child to cancer, my family has left and I have cancer, I going through hell now. What can really be worse.

It's hard to compare subjective torture. That sounds pretty miserable though. I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child. Personally, 80% of my life has been hell. God hates me and wants me to be tortured and me being a good soul is completely irrelevant, any pleading that I do with him is remanded brutally, it's just utter hatred that god has for me. But the worst thing I went through was many many months of akathisia, which, well the only way I could try to describe to someone who hasn't experienced it is like constantly struggling to breathe like you're partially suffocating, but the suffocation is all throughout your brain and sort of in your body too.

 

[Definitelyworried]

God hates me and wants me to be tortured and me being a good soul is completely irrelevant, any pleading that I do with him is remanded brutally, it's just utter hatred that god has for me.

experienced it is like constantly struggling to breathe like you're partially suffocating, but the suffocation is all throughout your brain and sort of in your body too.

I feel like I could have wrote this about myself.

 

[PatKat]

I hope you found peace.