Can we start a jumping megathread? It was mentioned as a reply to one of the threads I started. If anybody is interested in this method I would gladly collaborate with them. It appeals to me because even some of the most lethal methods can be overcome by survival instinct. I feel that with jumping it's a done deal once you jump. I hate the fact that all these damn barriers have been put up over bridges seemingly everywhere. I was on a family vacation at the Grand Canyon in Arizona, but that would have been traumatizing for everyone there. I know that a lot of people are scarred of the final act and they say that when you let go of a barrier and jump that regret instantly comes over you. There are so many people on here suffering needlessly day in and day out. At least we will be leaving something behind in a jumping megathread for all of those poor souls even if our lives no longer matter. I really don't know where to start and would really appreciate input on this. I honestly thought it would be easy to just go to a high bridge and be done with everything. I have seen a lot of major spots mentioned on here, but I think it would be best to put it all together.
s_girl
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- Sep 13, 2018
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I think a jumping megathread is a great idea.
Whilst a few survivors claimed to instantly regret jumping (notably Kevin Hines, who also states that he didn't really want to die and was hoping someone would 'save' him by asking if he was ok) reports and studies DO NOT show this. The only people that can really comment on how it feels are those that have jumped and survived...I've copied some of the best bits for you.
"reports for 169 suicides from the Golden Gate Bridge found that only eight persons (5 percent) "died from drowning and not as a result of impact trauma." They also stated that, "These individuals appeared to have impacted in the foot to head orientation." Also, only two of the six GGB survivors interviewed had semi-serious medical injuries.
Interestingly, the study advises that GGB jump survivors report:
"The experience of jumping for all six of the survivors was described as tranquil and peaceful and not frightening or terrifying as one might suspect".
"One survivor said,"It was a good feeling - no screaming. It was the most pleasant feeling I've ever had. I saw the horizon and the blue sky and I thought how beautiful it was." Another survivor said that at first he had a peaceful feeling and then he felt like he went into a "dream" . . . "I never felt I was dying." One subject stated that he experienced "a sense of relief" and "peace" on the way down.
"One subject said he "felt like a bird flying - total relief... I was looking forward to what was to come. Even now I'm symbolically still looking for the better world - I'm still in that place between the bridge and the water. "Another reported that his descent was "like eternity - beautiful - I enjoyed the sensation." As well as "One subject who described the first half of his descent as "peaceful, enjoyable and fun," before he realised he would hit the concrete piling" and moved around it.
Furthermore, a San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge jump survivor describes how she felt "a tremendous sense of peace."
This info all comes from this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129714/pdf/westjmed00296-0031.pdf
Jumping is really scary and I am not advocating for it or anything like that! There are very serious and painful consequences with this method too... But far from feeling instant regret, some jump survivors often report feelings of inner peace during and rebirth and spiritual transcendence if they survive.
Despite the risks, it can be a very lethal method, that's cheap, quick, more legal and more easily accessed when compared to others, if researched and undertaken correctly.
Whilst a few survivors claimed to instantly regret jumping (notably Kevin Hines, who also states that he didn't really want to die and was hoping someone would 'save' him by asking if he was ok) reports and studies DO NOT show this. The only people that can really comment on how it feels are those that have jumped and survived...I've copied some of the best bits for you.
"reports for 169 suicides from the Golden Gate Bridge found that only eight persons (5 percent) "died from drowning and not as a result of impact trauma." They also stated that, "These individuals appeared to have impacted in the foot to head orientation." Also, only two of the six GGB survivors interviewed had semi-serious medical injuries.
Interestingly, the study advises that GGB jump survivors report:
"The experience of jumping for all six of the survivors was described as tranquil and peaceful and not frightening or terrifying as one might suspect".
"One survivor said,"It was a good feeling - no screaming. It was the most pleasant feeling I've ever had. I saw the horizon and the blue sky and I thought how beautiful it was." Another survivor said that at first he had a peaceful feeling and then he felt like he went into a "dream" . . . "I never felt I was dying." One subject stated that he experienced "a sense of relief" and "peace" on the way down.
"One subject said he "felt like a bird flying - total relief... I was looking forward to what was to come. Even now I'm symbolically still looking for the better world - I'm still in that place between the bridge and the water. "Another reported that his descent was "like eternity - beautiful - I enjoyed the sensation." As well as "One subject who described the first half of his descent as "peaceful, enjoyable and fun," before he realised he would hit the concrete piling" and moved around it.
Furthermore, a San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge jump survivor describes how she felt "a tremendous sense of peace."
This info all comes from this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129714/pdf/westjmed00296-0031.pdf
Jumping is really scary and I am not advocating for it or anything like that! There are very serious and painful consequences with this method too... But far from feeling instant regret, some jump survivors often report feelings of inner peace during and rebirth and spiritual transcendence if they survive.
Despite the risks, it can be a very lethal method, that's cheap, quick, more legal and more easily accessed when compared to others, if researched and undertaken correctly.
Very good info! I've recently started looking jumping. There's no way Kevin was just looking to be saved, let's be honest most of us would lie after a failed attempt lol.
I wonder if there is any study on height/survival chance and on how to jump to increase the chances if dying. There is a relatively high building near, but it is not 100m
Thisisme373
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- Feb 16, 2019
- 416
Jumping would take some serious guts, if I were to ever do this I'd either be drunk or drugged up, my main fear would be surviving.
Faulisdead
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- Feb 9, 2019
- 70
I feel it. I'm concerned that getting drunk would increase my survival methods, by loosing my body or something. Kind of like how drunk drivers usually survive crashes compared to the sober drivers they hit.
Thisisme373
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- Feb 16, 2019
- 416
I'd imagine you might bleed out quicker (from injuries on impact) if drunk as alcohol thins the blood and it also pumps quicker. Also you would feel less pain, just my thoughts, you might be right that your body would be more relaxed and survive, it seems there's not many easy ways to ctb :(
NoEasyWayOut
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- Jan 20, 2019
- 24
As a jumping survivor I felt like I needed to comment here... Not really sure what to say though.
I commented previously in other threads that the height wasn't enough so I ended up in the hospital for one month aprox. After several surgeries and titanium implants, I've been able to have quite a normal life afterwards despite chronic pain in certain body parts.
About the feeling while jumping.. For me, it was like I was a feelingless robot before and during the jump (actually I think that's the reason why I was able to do it), but I remember I sighed while being on the air (a sound I'll never forget) and then I hit the ground and it was like suddenly waking up on cold water.. just tremendous pain and the strongest SI I had ever felt... I was able to even stand up despite all the broken bones and blood all over me. Crazy.
I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have if interested in this method according to my experience :)
I commented previously in other threads that the height wasn't enough so I ended up in the hospital for one month aprox. After several surgeries and titanium implants, I've been able to have quite a normal life afterwards despite chronic pain in certain body parts.
About the feeling while jumping.. For me, it was like I was a feelingless robot before and during the jump (actually I think that's the reason why I was able to do it), but I remember I sighed while being on the air (a sound I'll never forget) and then I hit the ground and it was like suddenly waking up on cold water.. just tremendous pain and the strongest SI I had ever felt... I was able to even stand up despite all the broken bones and blood all over me. Crazy.
I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have if interested in this method according to my experience :)
Thisisme373
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- Feb 16, 2019
- 416
I have a few questions if I may.
You say you had the strongest SI you ever felt, what is SI?
When you jumped did it feel like you was in the air long?
Did you feel any fear while in the air or just nothing?
Would you do this method again or try a different way?
How high was the jump? I'm thinking about jumping soon but afraid of surviving.
NoEasyWayOut
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- Jan 20, 2019
- 24
SI stays for survival instinct. It was indeed a very strong energy that pushed me towards finding help and trying to survive no matter what... Even if before jumping I wanted to die for a long time and I was ready for it.
While in the air, it was just a few seconds, so it didn't feel like a long time at all. I felt almost nothing, maybe just a flash thought like "OMG, what have I done" right after crushing against the ground, but not much while 'flying'. In silence, try to get all the air out of your lungs, then keep your breath for 3 seconds and then violently breathe in again. That's a way how I can explain the feeling (don't take my words too literally)
After failing this attempt, I never thought of ctb for some years, but lately I've considered ir again. I thought of hanging first, but it seems to be too hard for me atm. If I mรกnager to get some N maybe that'll be it.
NoEasyWayOut
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- Jan 20, 2019
- 24
Just a higher than average 3rd floor, not enough at all. Wouldn't advice a anything below 10-12 floors
catwalk
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- Nov 12, 2018
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My suicide method is most likely going to be jumping, my biggest fear would not be just staying alive, but being consious after I hit the ground.
I'm within driving distance of a very high bridge. Read that I will hit the water at 75mph in less than 4 seconds.
NoEasyWayOut
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- Jan 20, 2019
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Well it can be scary, but I assure you the worst thing is not being conscious on the ground after failing, but the aftermath of it when you finally lay on the hospital and see everybody around you hurt as much as you do... For me, it was devastating and much worse than physical pain :/
Would it be better to hit head first or belly flop? I feel like belly flop would cause the most damage and ensure death. Considering jumping tonight.
My niece recently jumped. I'm so sad that I didn't know when or what to expect. But I keep imagining how free and peaceful she finally felt. I wish I had more information on her journey.
Thisisme373
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- Feb 16, 2019
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What way did you land? Did you almost die or not even come close?
I find this super interesting as I've always thought what would it be like, the experience of jumping, did it feel like you was dropping really fast in the air?
I would of imagined while in the air to be so surreal.
sooo...there's a bridge I'm considering jumping from, it's about 66 meters high, I think that equals 216 feetโฆ
If I stuck to the plan, I would jump with a backpack filled with 20 kilos of weights, so I would be more or less sure to
ctb. My question is, do you think my backpack would flip me over, causing me to fall on my back, and how
would this effect my drop? btw, do you think it is difficult to jump on one's head?
If I stuck to the plan, I would jump with a backpack filled with 20 kilos of weights, so I would be more or less sure to
ctb. My question is, do you think my backpack would flip me over, causing me to fall on my back, and how
would this effect my drop? btw, do you think it is difficult to jump on one's head?
NoEasyWayOut
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- Jan 20, 2019
- 24
It depends on the height, but it may be right.
As for that.. I can only wish you the best in your final decision, but don't risk it if you're not sure about the lethality of the spot you pick up. Also consider that you won't be able to control how your body falls while on air. I was aiming for head first, but my body managed to get to a safer sitting position when I landed... Safed my life and screwed my attempt at the same time.. If you check some jumpers' vรญdeos you'll get an idea as to how and why this occurs. It looks like puppets thrown down
Thank you. I will watch some videos. About 10% of the people who jump where I'm planning survive.
s_girl
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- Sep 13, 2018
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Aside from the ridiculous assumption 'of a psychotic illness in all patients who jump', this is otherwise a very informative article:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4794537/
The jump height required has been well researched and there is a lot of information on it. I have read lots of similar reports but this one particular journal article states:
(Only) 55% of deliberate falls cause death, a figure influenced by the height of the jump and the physical influences such as the landing surface and impact area (landing feet first). This figure is so low because researchers believe that 80% + of jumps are done on impulse, so are not researched like we're all doing here.
A jumper is more likely to die if head and chest injuries occurred, the height fall required for 50% of patients to die was found to be 11 m.
If these injuries did not occur, the height fall required for 50% of patients to die increased to 22 m.
Research shows (successful) suicidal falls occurred from a mean height of 23 m and most suicidal falls were from 7 storeys (21 m) or higher.
The surface that the person lands on influences both injuries and survival. Whilst jumping from buildings is likely to end with a solid surface, jumping from a bridge could lead to landing on water.
Reports show that suicides involving a jump into water showed few external signs of injury, suggesting drowning as the mode of death. However, this is largely dependant on the height and method of landing (feet first), as shown with GGB jumpers who are mostly killed by the impact, with only 5-10% of deaths caused by drowning.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4794537/
The jump height required has been well researched and there is a lot of information on it. I have read lots of similar reports but this one particular journal article states:
(Only) 55% of deliberate falls cause death, a figure influenced by the height of the jump and the physical influences such as the landing surface and impact area (landing feet first). This figure is so low because researchers believe that 80% + of jumps are done on impulse, so are not researched like we're all doing here.
A jumper is more likely to die if head and chest injuries occurred, the height fall required for 50% of patients to die was found to be 11 m.
If these injuries did not occur, the height fall required for 50% of patients to die increased to 22 m.
Research shows (successful) suicidal falls occurred from a mean height of 23 m and most suicidal falls were from 7 storeys (21 m) or higher.
The surface that the person lands on influences both injuries and survival. Whilst jumping from buildings is likely to end with a solid surface, jumping from a bridge could lead to landing on water.
Reports show that suicides involving a jump into water showed few external signs of injury, suggesting drowning as the mode of death. However, this is largely dependant on the height and method of landing (feet first), as shown with GGB jumpers who are mostly killed by the impact, with only 5-10% of deaths caused by drowning.
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s_girl
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That's interesting. I think it might be dependent on the height and time/speed of falling? Kevin Hines says that after he jumped and SI kicked in, he moved to a feet first position to lesson the impact and try to survive. Another GGB jump survivor who described the first half of his descent as "peaceful, enjoyable and fun," realised that halfway down he was going to hit a concrete piling and he remained conscious to solve this problem. He maneuvered his body so that he only grazed the concrete piling. Most of the GGB survivors blacked out and couldn't remember the impact.
NoEasyWayOut
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- Jan 20, 2019
- 24
Sorry to read that.. I hope it was as peaceful as possible for her. And that she found the peace she probably was looking for.
I landed in a sitting position. I would probably have died if I hadn't received any medical treatment for 1 day, due to external and internal bleeding and injuries, but doctors did their job very well so I didn't succeed in my intent.
Yeah, mostly. In the end it's also a matter of luck if all factors like wind, energy and position used for the jump, etc. are taken into account. You did a very good research though :) Wished I'd have had planned it better back when I attempted. But it was a now or never thing when I jumped and no second thoughts whatsoever so..
Zzzzz
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- Aug 8, 2018
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There is already a jumping megathread . Jumping should never be attempted from less than 150 ft on land or 250 ft over water. There is always a small chance of survival.
GerMann
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- Nov 30, 2018
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Zzzzz
Nothing compares to the bliss of death.
- Aug 8, 2018
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This is a ridiculous waste of money. 200 million dollars spent and it's not going to solve the problem . It's only going to compell people to look for different ways to kill themselves.
That's the barrier, or just the start of it? Because it looks easy enough to drop down into the netting then jump off that. It doesn't decrease the height that much.
@NoEasyWayOut
Thank you for answering questions, you're very courageous to cope with reliving the whole thing. Would you consider jumping again as a method?
Thank you for answering questions, you're very courageous to cope with reliving the whole thing. Would you consider jumping again as a method?
Pulpit2018
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- Oct 8, 2018
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That picture offends me.Humanity should not be that stupid...
