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Sickman75

Sickman75

Swing On The Spiral
Jan 27, 2019
572
i think there is a God. It may not be what we were told it was. But how do you explain all phenoms
in this world? Too many to say no there isnt one. way too many.
 
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felix

Experienced
Jan 25, 2019
257
i think there is a God. It may not be what we were told it was. But how do you explain all phenoms
in this world? Too many to say no there isnt one. way too many.
What kind of phenomena?
 
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Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
What kind of phenomena?
For me, fibonacci sequence, golden ratio, also if you ever get to study calculus and see it's applications in physics and chemistry! Also the human body is soooooo complex and intelligent and adept to surviving. Also fucking music ...
 
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Roberto

Wizard
Jan 19, 2019
684
I was brought up very religiously but after suffering from OCD and depression for over 12 years and calling out to god for help with no response, it seems there most likely is no god to help us. Which means nobody is in control, human beings are free to do whatever they want to each other, is there no hope? This scares me.

It is so strange life ...
The whole universe ... expanding. With matter appearing from nowhere in the Big Bang. It is so weird everything.
Believing in god makes things easier. I would love to believe in him.
There is no fundamental answer to what happens to us. Is like the jungle.
I'm afraid of death, because it seems weird to not to think. How is not to think and feel?
Once I tried Ayahuasca, trying to find my spiritual part. I got a dream in which I was looking to a kind of computer screen, with a button in the middle. I couldn't think or feel. My focus was just that. I felt terrible. Like a nightmare.
We feel life and it is impossible to experience death during life. I was fortunate and I haven't seen anyone die in my 43 years old life.
It is like a fairy tale death.
But I know that I wouldn't want another life, even better after this world. I had enough.
 
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JohnDoe1

Arcanist
Sep 13, 2018
474
For me, fibonacci sequence, golden ratio, also if you ever get to study calculus and see it's applications in physics and chemistry! Also the human body is soooooo complex and intelligent and adept to surviving. Also fucking music ...

That's just the fine-tuning argument...doesn't prove god....

We don't know, what's out there...if the multiverse theory is true...there are an infinite number of universes...it's not baffling, for these sequences or ratios to exist in one of them...
 
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Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
That's just the fine-tuning argument...doesn't prove god....

We don't know, what's out there...if the multiverse theory is true...there are an infinite number of universes...it's not baffling, for these sequences or ratios to exist in one of them...
There's really nothing I could say to make you believe in God. Nor do I care to... I just said these are the phenomena that wow me and make me believe our universe was divinely created...
 
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Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
If someone truly believes, there's nothing you could say to make them not and vice versa. You could argue forever. Many philosophers do...
 
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JohnDoe1

Arcanist
Sep 13, 2018
474
There's really nothing I could say to make you believe in God. Nor do I care to... I just said these are the phenomena that wow me and make me believe our universe was divinely created...

and, I cant say anything to make you disbelieve...all, I want to say is there is an explanation for everything...if we can't explain something now...doesn't mean god did it...the God of the gaps argument....thousands of years ago, thunder and rain would have wow-ed people too...

Let's not get into this....this a useless debate...wouldn't lead anywhere....
 
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Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
and, I cant say anything to make you disbelieve...all, I want to say is there is an explanation for everything...if we can't explain something now...doesn't mean god did it...the God of the gaps argument....thousands of years ago, thunder and rain would have wow-ed people too...

Let's not get into this....this a useless debate...wouldn't lead anywhere....
cool we said the same thing verbatim
 
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alizee

Arcanist
Jul 22, 2018
451
People don't have control without or with a God. Read about hard determinism and how free will is an illusion.
 
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Idorus

Arcanist
Apr 30, 2018
426
I think people believe that there's something after death simply because it's almost impossible for a person to imagine not existing.

Imagining non-existence is very possible (after all there's nothing to imagine but life itself) when having an awareness of oblivion. I never had that before I turned. I mean, ofcourse I bumped against questions like "Do you believe in God?" in my "religious-hereafter days". But the only thing I wondered about then was "Well, what is God?" or "Do I believe in God when I believe in an hereafter or some other higher power?" But no awareness of oblivion back then.

People don't have control without or with a God. Read about hard determinism and how free will is an illusion

I agree, free will is a lie.
 
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Exile

Predator, criminal, emotional blackmailer
Jan 28, 2019
181
I don't believe in a deity, karma, fate or a purpose to existence. We and others in the world give, modify and take away meaning. I find that stance liberating. The god of the gaps argument has been debunked so many times, I'm surprised religious people still resort to it. Reminds me of the 'intellectual' creationists. This no doubt sounds harsh but these primitive attachments to 'god's will' cause so much suffering.
 
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Sixfeetunder

Specialist
Jan 12, 2019
319
If there's a God, he's an asshole. So it would be more comforting to me to know that this happened by chance and that once we die, we're gone than to think there is some asshole that is behind all of this, and that we could either have to live another life or be forced into an eternal afterlife.
 
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Sickman75

Sickman75

Swing On The Spiral
Jan 27, 2019
572
and, I cant say anything to make you disbelieve...all, I want to say is there is an explanation for everything...if we can't explain something now...doesn't mean god did it...the God of the gaps argument....thousands of years ago, thunder and rain would have wow-ed people too...

Let's not get into this....this a useless debate...wouldn't lead anywhere....
Hey dont under estimate her intelligence in this thread, your the one who decided to step in and start the argument.
Not her. Show some respect. real class act move.
 
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JohnDoe1

Arcanist
Sep 13, 2018
474
Hey dont under estimate her intelligence in this thread, your the one who decided to step in and start the argument.
Not her. Show some respect. real class act move.

Tell me where, I disrespected her...all I said was, we could argue and argue, this wouldn't lead anywhere...so, best not get into it...
 
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Psilo

Arcanist
Dec 29, 2018
482
You took quite some time to accept the truth! Better late than never, right.
 
EmotionlessWanderer

EmotionlessWanderer

Specialist
Jan 19, 2019
352
Does there even need to be a god for an afterlife to exist? It could very well be just like Earth. No deity or being controls it. It's kind of just there with physical and natural laws.
 
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I am ___________

I am ___________

Hated, Unloved by the world and everything in it.
Jan 3, 2019
134
It just gives me more questions than answers. Why would the universe just create me, just why.

Same, why did it thrust me into this pit of hell.... to only seek peace and salvation in my own death.
 
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I am ___________

Hated, Unloved by the world and everything in it.
Jan 3, 2019
134
I was raised in a religious family, and after sometime I caught on to the lies and inconsistencies. Everyone is free to their own opinion, and I respect that. However in my opinion, god is nothing more then an excuse for the unknown, for things we have no knowledge nor explanation of yet. It is an excuse for the ignorant and the stagnant, and is also a great tool to control a population and their thinking patterns. To keep them chained to ignorance, false hope, empty promises, and disappointment/regrets.
 
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All Things Must Pass

All Things Must Pass

Mage
Apr 14, 2021
557
No. An invisible genie torturing billions for eternity is much scarier. Which is the point, since religion is made to scare people into submission.
 
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Curiousoutlook

Curiousoutlook

Born Alone, Die Alone.
May 9, 2021
84
I'm atheist so no, it not scary for me to know god doesn't exist because they simply don't exist. Religions are called "belief" for a reason. It just your mind thinking and wanting to believe in something. You're just tricking yourself for the comfort of a need to believe in something.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
42,444
I simply do not believe in God or religion, it not scary. These beliefs are often in the way of many others ctb, as they believe there is some sort of afterlife. I believe there is nothing after death and that comforts me. I think as humans we are here because of evolution and there is no higher power or meaning beyond that. Life is essentially pointless.
 
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noname223

Archangel
Aug 18, 2020
5,844
I don't believe in God. Where was he during Auschwitz? Too many innocent people have to die brutally. I really don't believe in him or help he could provide us.
 
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Symbiote

Global Mod
Oct 12, 2020
3,099
Glad there's no god, my ass be going straight to hell .
 
Antinous

Antinous

Member
Sep 26, 2018
56
Ex Catholic here. Catholic schools through grade 12; Catholic seminary studying to be a priest 4 years undergrad plus 2 years grad school. Raised three children as Catholic. Loyally went to Mass. Taught Religious Education classes. Finally, at age 65, saw the light and cast off the BS of religion. Doubts had been creeping in, but I held back for years because I thought: "How will I manage without religion?"

Six years ago, I held the love of my life in my arms when he took his last breath (leukemia). Fortunately, we had both shed the BS of religion. Therefore, our last weeks together, knowing the end was near, were filled with peace and love. No regrets.

Religion is not about god. Religion is not about doing good and avoiding evil. Religion is about wielding power, wealth, and privilege. The historical trend toward humans becoming better humans was brought about IN SPITE of religious people, not because of them. It was the Jewish/Christian god who said: "put to the sword all the men. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." Deuteronomy 20:13.

The religious people in South Africa supported apartheid.

The religious people in the USA supported slavery. Else why are there white and black "christian" churches in the USA?

Chaos without god? YGBSM.

Which group is god's chosen people? Which group has the right answer? Each religion says it the way, the truth, and the life. How can they all be right? If it doesn't matter, then why all the bickering?

Religious institutions have hijacked tribalism. If you're a member of the in-group, you can be treated with compassion. If you're a member of the out group, anything goes. The Mishnah says that if there were nine Jews and one heathen in a group, and an Israelite threw a stone at the heathen and killed all nine Jews by mistake, it was okay; he was not guilty of murder. In support of this idea, Catholic theologian (and saint) Thomas Aquinas said in his Summa Theologica that if doing something morally okay has a morally bad side-effect, it's okay to do it providing the bad side-effect wasn't intended; even if you foresaw that the bad effect would probably happen. (Summa, article 7)

Some people think of god as compassionate and think that religious people should likewise be compassionate, as illustrated by Matthew 5:7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy."

Unfortunately, this personal projection of god is not shared by the religious people, whose projection is illustrated by Matthew 13:41 "The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Throughout history, religious people have been consistent in insisting: those who "cause sin" and "do evil" are those who fail to "completely submit." Religious people cultivate fear and willful ignorance. It is their mantra. It is their retreat from self-honesty; it is their refusal to face the world as it is.

God is just your wishful thinking.

The god of the white supremacists is their wishful thinking, and that god is a nasty, horrible, murderous beast.

The god of the people who want to destroy this website is just their wishful thinking. And that god is full of hate.

Religious organizations are businesses.
Their aim is to make money and gain power.
Their victim is you.

The religion industry exists to take money and gain power FROM you. Priests, bishops, imams, clerics, ministers, preachers, vicars, reverends, evangelists, friars, rabbis: all of them make money and gain power by getting you to submit to their whim. Their aim is to manipulate you with fear and emotion. They will encourage you to feel guilt and elation because every time you do, they make money and gain power. They use the stagecraft and theater of religious ceremony to make you feel guilt and elation. They gladly assist you in mismanaging your life choices by pretending there is a god until you're desperate, just so they can get more money and gain more power. Your success in becoming a more fulfilled human being is completely irrelevant. Your existence, your purpose in life, is to serve as a means for them to aggrandize themselves with privilege, money and power.

If religious organizations actually helped you become more authentic and self-actualized, they'd be driving themselves out of business.

And they have no intention of letting that happen.

Religious people are marketing masters. They keep the prize just out of reach. The idea isn't to attain what they're selling, but to keep you chasing it so that you'll keep buying their bullshit.
The more confused you are, the more money they make and power they gain.
The more short-sighted you are, the more money they make and power they gain.
The more desperate you feel, the more money they make and power they gain.
The luckier you feel, the more money they make and power they gain.

The religion industry wants you to be fearful and feel guilt. Your fear and guilt is their path to power and income. The more fear and guilt you feel, the more you turn to them for help. You seek their advice and you contribute to their wealth. Every penny you pay into the religion industry (either directly or by exempting them from taxes), the richer and more powerful you make them and the poorer and weaker you become.

For its leaders, religion is the easy road to self-aggrandizement by exploiting the gullible and the science illiterates for their own gain.

Give me your money and I will give you comfort in thinking that you have an invisible friend who will take care of you. Give me your money and I will promise you happiness that will last forever . . . after you die. No refunds and no returns when you discover that it was all a lie.

The most liberating event of my life was to walk away from all the BS of religion.
 
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Apr 13, 2021
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Ex Catholic here. Catholic schools through grade 12; Catholic seminary studying to be a priest 4 years undergrad plus 2 years grad school. Raised three children as Catholic. Loyally went to Mass. Taught Religious Education classes. Finally, at age 65, saw the light and cast off the BS of religion.

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Lostkitten1

Member
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If there is some all-knowing / all-powerful being up there that I meet after I move on, we're going to have serious words.
 

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