Venting Isn’t it crazy?

[eldiablo666]

It takes so little to lose everything in life

One small mistake can just cost your entire life.

Also the amount of ways you can actually die or get a sickness from is also insane, but of coarse a little less in todays day and age. But still.

My life was totally obliterated after one mistake (manipulation) but I didn't realise it until about 1 year later because the after effects were devastating and pretty much shell shocked me into oblivion.

Now it feels like I've woken up from a 2 year coma pretty much and I've got the brain of a 10 year old

This is why I will never see parents as anything else but evil. How can they be viewed as anything differently?

In my eyes, all parents are equal to child mlsters and rpist. They have that incredibly deep evil within them.

No "good" person could ever conceive a child into this life. It's just pure madness.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

This is why I will never see parents as anything else but evil. How can they be viewed as anything differently?

In my eyes, all parents are equal to child mlsters and rpist. They have that incredibly deep evil within them.

No "good" person could ever conceive a child into this life. It's just pure madness.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

[eldiablo666]

@GenesAndEnvironment sums this up nicely, but I will go into more detail:

I'm not looking to disagree with you but it seems that you hate your parents, and so hate all parents in general, in which case I have some first-hand advice. Hate will just not make you happy and eventually drive you to impulsive suicide so it's important to deal with hatred first (take it from me.) The first step to stop hating them is to understand they almost certainly don't want you to suffer for nothing.

Most childbirths are the result of poor decision making. The US abortion statistic is almost 1 million per year. Most parents have simply been brought up to view having a child as a small thing, or perhaps even a normal thing, so they don't see the reality that parenting is much harder.

Your last comment about "No "good" person could ever conceive a child into this life" is quite ironic considering the only reason you know this is that you're alive. In fact, the only reason why you could ever experience good at all is that you're alive. So, even though they have caused you a lot of suffering, you cannot deny the small amount of happiness they have caused, or more importantly the large amount of happiness they foolishly want to cause.

"How can they be viewed as anything differently?"
I hope I've answered your question at least a bit.

"It takes so little to lose everything in life
One small mistake can just cost your entire life."
This works both ways. One small victory can change your entire life. Think about how your life would change if you won the lottery or found a partner. Or maybe found a really good job. Lots of suicidal people understandably don't want to take that gamble, but the dice are there to throw. The odds aren't as bad as you think.

Even if I was a billionaire I wouldn't value life and think it was worth living.

1 negative always weigh more than 2 positive in this life

 

[eldiablo666]

You could have your own private island in the middle of the ocean with 3 Gigabit internet and cat girl maids running around you for much less than 1 billion. Any video game or movie you want to play / watch you could have custom made for you. That's also enough to buy yourself a visa to any country you want.
If you don't want 1 billion I'll take it please

But it's gonna end


That in itself makes it worthless

 

[eldiablo666]

If it's worthless because it will end, why do you want to commit suicide? You're going to die anyway after all. There clearly is a worth if you want to kill yourself, because it will be much different if you don't.

Because I'd rather fall asleep and die in my sleep than suffer a stroke in my 80s and die in extreme agony


Or maybe car fcrash and ending up crushed slowly into another car

 

[Shrike94]

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

You could switch it around as well. Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice. This is the case more often I would bet. Not talking about having children, but behaviour in general.

 

[Mthom2]

Most people are brought up with the idea of a perfect lifestyle, that includes school/growing up/getting married/buying a nice house/raising kids/retirement. This is ingrained into them by their own parents and society in general. I completely agree that it is sheer stupidity and ignorance that causes most procreation.

On the bright side, humans seem to slowly be moving away from this mentality. More intelligent women are choosing not to reproduce.

 

[Efilismislife]

Most people are brought up with the idea of a perfect lifestyle, that includes school/growing up/getting married/buying a nice house/raising kids/retirement. This is ingrained into them by their own parents and society in general. I completely agree that it is sheer stupidity and ignorance that causes most procreation.

On the bright side, humans seem to slowly be moving away from this mentality. More intelligent women are choosing not to reproduce.

Antinatalism
but its being attacked by society

im not saying every parents are evil but sometimes i question that, shouldnt people who made that decision after a long time and much effort realize that the baby they want to bring into this world will suffer, get hurt, sick, deteriorating, dying ,etc

The first step to stop hating them is to understand they almost certainly don't want you to suffer for nothing.

How could you assume that when they dont even know you?

Most childbirths are the result of poor decision making.

There are many people who breed just to have a free slave, mini me and exploit children, beat them up as a punching bag

"How can they be viewed as anything differently?"
I hope I've answered your question at least a bit.

The reason people breed is for their own sake not for the newborn, but the newborn has to pay the price their entire life of never ending fights, burdens, threats and certainly sentence to dying, deteriorating, sick ,etc, etc

This works both ways. One small victory can change your entire life. Think about how your life would change if you won the lottery or found a partner. Or maybe found a really good job. Lots of suicidal people understandably don't want to take that gamble, but the dice are there to throw. The odds aren't as bad as you think.

You dont catch what OP said

Its hundreds of times easier to brake something/even accidentally brake something than to fix it


you easily only need to smash it, throw it, burn it, to brake things but you have to give lots of effort to try to fix it and you might not be able to fix it

its easier to brake a relationship, or brake somebody than to fix it

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

You could switch it around as well. Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice. This is the case more often I would bet. Not talking about having children, but behaviour in general.

Then you'd get the opposite of the desired effect; without increasing predictive, or even explanatory (I don't agree that people are more often driven by malice than stupidity), power.

 

[makethepainstop]

Even if I was a billionaire I wouldn't value life and think it was worth living.
On dear
1 negative always weigh more than 2 positive in this life

Oh dear God this person doesn't speak for me! Now Lord if I could just have a few hundred million, I am positive I could hang out a few years more.

 

[Shrike94]

Then you'd get the opposite of the desired effect; without increasing predictive, or even explanatory (I don't agree that people are more often driven by malice than stupidity), power.

You tend to be more alert when you know somebody is being malicious, if you think they are stupid/ignorant you lower your guard and let them get away with things that they shouldn't. It's actually a clever tactic psychos like to use. They disguise their true intent.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

You tend to be more alert when you know somebody is being malicious

Not me, I'm probably more alert when someone is stupid.

if you think they are stupid/ignorant you let them get away with things that they shouldn't.

If it's beneficial to me not to get upset and let someone "get away with" something, great. Plus, it would be pretty easy to see if someone is being malicious or not. This is just about assuming stupidity first (especially for one-off events/past events), not sticking with those guns regardless of evidence.

 

[FuneralCry]

To me the existence of life really is a horrible thing. With all of the endless cruelty and suffering it can never be beneficial bringing life here. I dislike the concept of life with all it's unfairness and randomness, it's really always better to not exist.

It really is tragic how more humans continue to be brought into this world, by creating life it's just creating problems in which there was never a need for in the first place. I personally see suffering as being something bad and something to be avoided, any human can end up in the worst pain possible and all that humans have to look forward to is old age where they will witness themselves deteriorating. As long as there is life, suffering is inevitable and I think that it's irrational to want to suffer.

 

[actual_fox]

Your last comment about "No "good" person could ever conceive a child into this life" is quite ironic considering the only reason you know this is that you're alive. In fact, the only reason why you could ever experience good at all is that you're alive.

Knowing about something or creating a sentient being (if we operate from materialistic point of view, without souls and all that jazz) does not make the thing that is known good. Mind that he also can experience bad things. So he can experience good and bad because he is born. But It is not up to him what he is about to experience and does not choose between being starving child or a rich kid. It is entirely up to parents. From then you can decide later in life about yourself if you can overcome your past, but nobody should have to heroically fight to overcome something which was not up to them to go through. (If we really chose this then we should know about It and be able to change our minds because that is how free will should work).

The argument you present is based on assumption that existence is better then non existence and thus anything that causes or prolongs existence is valid. You need to take into account that there is no such thing as "existence" but rather each being has It's own individual existence dependent on other beings, or even not dependent on any being If you live alone in the world or an island. It is a being that owns his existence, because he is only one who can experience his own existence in very unique and intimate fashion, and only this being can decide If he would want to change It, experience It again or continue It- that is the case If he crossed the Rubicon of self awareness and self reflection. Existence in itself is not "good" or "bad".

"It takes so little to lose everything in life
One small mistake can just cost your entire life."
This works both ways. One small victory can change your entire life. Think about how your life would change if you won the lottery or found a partner. Or maybe found a really good job. Lots of suicidal people understandably don't want to take that gamble, but the dice are there to throw. The odds aren't as bad as you think.

If you want to be a suicide preventionist on this website could you be at least more realistic please. Instead of say: "Think about how your life would change if you found a good hobby or activity or had a good sleeping pattern"

 

[Littlewittlelight]

I don't understand why every thread becomes a place for discussion now. Can we keep quiet and validate other's feelings now? Telling the truth doesn't change the way a person thinks and this site isn't to encourage someone if you feel they were encouraging above then not really and op may have also thought about it that not all humans are bad else why would they be venting here? Humans also include people who are parents? So I would also accept not all parents are extremely bad but that doesn't matter if it comforts op and we don't know how rough their parents are being on them also I don't know the same way how many people should be allowed to have kids. Feels like half of the world would already fail because they themselves can't live properly then they have kids and abuse them and the cycle never stops? It's their thread that reads venting and venting is different to asking. Do we know the difference? Can we acknowledge it please?

 

[actual_fox]

Can we acknowledge it please?

Yeah, sorry. I will be going then.

 

[Darkover]

life in this place is just bull shit a miracle my ass more like a living misery in hell, yeap one tiny mistake can destory your life it happend to me with weed and headphone damaged both my ears and got a brain injury all for just listening to music because it was so plesureable

 

[Efilismislife]

Then you'd get the opposite of the desired effect; without increasing predictive, or even explanatory (I don't agree that people are more often driven by malice than stupidity), power.

There are many evil people in this world tho
Some even wired to do that
like psychopath, etc
Otherwise this world would be a different place

You tend to be more alert when you know somebody is being malicious, if you think they are stupid/ignorant you lower your guard and let them get away with things that they shouldn't. It's actually a clever tactic psychos like to use. They disguise their true intent.

The consequence is still the same tho
there are people who killed babies because of stupidity but the consequences still the same

So he can experience good and bad because he is born. But It is not up to him what he is about to experience and does not choose between being starving child or a rich kid. It is entirely up to parents. From then you can decide later in life about yourself if you can overcome your past, but nobody should have to heroically fight to overcome something which was not up to them to go through.

You need to take into account that there is no such thing as "existence" but rather each being has It's own individual existence dependent on other beings, or even not dependent on any being If you live alone in the world or an island.

Exactly what i meant

Feels like half of the world would already fail because they themselves can't live properly then they have kids and abuse them and the cycle never stops?

True its ironic

To me the existence of life really is a horrible thing. With all of the endless cruelty and suffering it can never be beneficial bringing life here. I dislike the concept of life with all it's unfairness and randomness, it's really always better to not exist.

It really is tragic how more humans continue to be brought into this world, by creating life it's just creating problems in which there was never a need for in the first place. I personally see suffering as being something bad and something to be avoided, any human can end up in the worst pain possible and all that humans have to look forward to is old age where they will witness themselves deteriorating. As long as there is life, suffering is inevitable and I think that it's irrational to want to suffer.

If only theres an "undo" button