Is this the only "sanctioned suicide" forum on the internet?

[thetwilightzone]

I heard there was one on the Dark Web but to be fair, most suicidal people wouldn't stumble upon it at all as you need TOR browser. I'm just amazed that no one created a suicidal pro-choice forum in the internet's 28 years of existence.

Suicideproject I've heard is pro-life. Is this true?

 

[Gray Wounds]

i saw comments on suicideproject and they sound like typical pro-lifers.

 

[saffron]

I started dabbling in suicide research in 2013ish at 14 and was bothered (and surprised) that I couldn't find anything so kinda gave up, I also believe google censors much of the useful information on the matter. A friend told me about 8chan suicide, I started going on that in 2015. Good for methods but hardly social. I also used to go on reddit sanctioned and glad it was banned since it was useless, no talking about methods. Fuck reddit. I prefer the users on this site too.

 

[creatureoflight]

From my experience, this was the only one I could find. Even Dignitas (a legal suicide organisation in my country) has a suicide forum which is pro-life and no discussion of methods whatsever. I thought they had to be kidding me!
Also, the people on here are really nice!

 

[Tiburcio]

Fuck life and everyone who encourages to it.

 

[creatureoflight]

Fuck life and everyone who encourages to it.

To me, life is neutral. MY life sucks, but life in general for me is neutral-not good and not bad. Some people have a great life and some people have a crappy life. I however don't like it when people say something like 'It gets better' to someone who is chronically ill and bedridden for many years. There are just some cases where it doesn't get better. It all depends on the situation. I don't approve of a pro-life approach. I believe everyone should make the choice for themselves whether to kill themselves or not.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I heard there was one on the Dark Web but to be fair, most suicidal people wouldn't stumble upon it at all as you need TOR browser. I'm just amazed that no one created a suicidal pro-choice forum in the internet's 28 years of existence.

I've come upon pro-suicide sites on the open-web over the years. They were invariably shut down once a member committed suicide and that person's account was discovered. Anti-suicide apologists are the ultimate paradox (often) to me. At the heart, they know they can't fix seriously broken lives AND they don't really want to be bothered with suicidal people who just "drag down" everyone else anyway. But yet still they raise hell about the very communities they've rejected wanting off the planet.

 

[creatureoflight]

I've come upon pro-suicide sites on the open-web over the years. They were invariably shut down once a member committed suicide and that person's account was discovered. Anti-suicide apologists are the ultimate paradox (often) to me. At the heart, they know they can't fix seriously broken lives AND they don't really want to be bothered with suicidal people who just "drag down" everyone else anyway. But yet still they raise hell about the very communities they've rejected wanting off the planet.

I don't understand it either.
Let's face the harsh reality:
suicide might be a good option for some people. Some people are really better off dead!

 

[Ashton]

There was Forumjar but all of those pages were shutdown

 

[KCN]

I heard there was one on the Dark Web

More than one, actually. One of them got more media attention than others because it was well-organized, with multiple discussion threads and topics, and ended up being featured in a Vice article about this kind of communities. Another eventually got filled up with spam and random posters, so it lost its appeal through time to the original members
But since it's the Deep Web, I wouldn't be surprised if there were actually dozens of SS-like forums scattered all around.

 

[Vvoiid]

More than one, actually. One of them got more media attention than others because it was well-organized, with multiple discussion threads and topics, and ended up being featured in a Vice article about this kind of communities. Another eventually got filled up with spam and random posters, so it lost its appeal through time to the original members
But since it's the Deep Web, I wouldn't be surprised if there were actually dozens of SS-like forums scattered all around.

Yes, I remember one of them even used to be on the clearnet. It was the suicide apartment. It used to be very active but now its just an empty site, noone is around. It's really sad. The censorship is getting worse with each passing day.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

It's really sad. The censorship is getting worse with each passing day.

AMEN. State-sanction religion is what it amounts to. There's no evidence of purpose or meaning in life or of any life value. They own everything, make all the rules, but then have the gall to command us NOT to discuss our own ideas. Worse, they force us to stay in their controlled world despite how unpleasant they've made it. They have on their hands the suffering of those who must bulldoze their own paths out of this hellhole.

 

[Mecha Man]

Fuck life and everyone who encourages to it.

LOL

 

[Mecha Man]

AMEN. State-sanction religion is what it amounts to. There's no evidence of purpose or meaning in life or of any life value. They own everything, make all the rules, but then have the gall to command us NOT to discuss our own ideas. Worse, they force us to stay in their controlled world despite how unpleasant they've made it. They have on their hands the suffering of those who must bulldoze their own paths out of this hellhole.

I'm pretty sure it's a whole lot more than religion perpetuating the problem here. Most atheists seem to think life is just as valuable as religious people, and are just as disturbed by pain, suffering, and DEATH. The real problem, I think, is the human condition. The desire to survive is very powerfully ingrained in us. Even among us, many have talked about just how hard it really is to kill yourself, no matter how badly you want to die. This is our survival instinct kicking in trying to keep us alive.

If suicide were readily embraced and encouraged by society, it would pose a very real threat to the perpetuation of our species (not that it matters 'cause we really are all gonna die anyway because of global warming in like 1,000 years or something... or so I've been told.) I'm not trying to defend pro-lifers, I'm just trying to say that this may all be part of nature's defense mechanism.

Also, I believe that in the minds of pro-lifers, the concept of embracing suicide for other people is subconsciously a threat to their very way of thinking, and their way of life; it's just completely unthinkable for them, like shooting one of their kids or something like that. It's all psychological or biological.

Edit: Oh, as a sidenote, I mean no disrespect, but I couldn't help but laugh at the fact that you started your religion bashing post with AMEN! hahaha... *ahem* it's healthy to have a good sense of humour.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I'm pretty sure it's a whole lot more than religion perpetuating the problem here. ... Oh, as a sidenote, I mean no disrespect, but I couldn't help but laugh at the fact that you started your religion bashing post with AMEN! hahaha... *ahem* it's healthy to have a good sense of humour.

Sorry, I should have been a lot clearer. I used "religion" tongue-in-cheek--along the expression of secular religion--like humanism, patriotism, and the other equally insubstantial personal and cultural values paraded about as objective truths without any empirically sound evidence. I'm not bashing religion--either traditional or secular. I am bashing the use of force to coerce others to live according to mere abstract ideas as if they had been demonstrated to be objectively true--when not believing in and living according to such abstraction doesn't even place others immediately in harm's way.

While I agree it's reasonable from an evolutionary standpoint that humanity hasn't wholesale embraced suicide, it's no more rational to demonize the suicidal than it is the non-procreative. Suicide could even be argued to confer a populational benefit.

One last comment. Other strongly ingrained predilections (like the urge to copulate or reproduce) are not universal yet humanity, especially in cultures that claim to value personal autonomy and rationalism, has little problem with others' abstinence. The hatred and scorn reserved for the suicidal are eminently irrational and (where the state's participation is concerned) ethically unjustifiable.

Thanks for the chance to clarify.

 

[Mecha Man]

Sorry, I should have been a lot clearer. I used "religion" tongue-in-cheek--along the expression of secular religion--like humanism, patriotism, and the other equally insubstantial personal and cultural values paraded about as objective truths without any empirically sound evidence. I'm not bashing religion--either traditional or secular. I am bashing the use of force to coerce others to live according to mere abstract ideas as if they had been demonstrated to be objectively true--when not believing in and living according to such abstraction doesn't even place others immediately in harm's way.

Thanks for the chance to clarify.

Always happy to be of service : D

 

[Oyashiro-sama]

A long time ago there was a Spanish-speaking forum about suicide, where you could also express yourself freely even though you were not as active as this one.

They ended up closing it by talking freely about suicide.

 

[Naifu]

I started dabbling in suicide research in 2013ish at 14 and was bothered (and surprised) that I couldn't find anything so kinda gave up, I also believe google censors much of the useful information on the matter. A friend told me about 8chan suicide, I started going on that in 2015. Good for methods but hardly social. I also used to go on reddit sanctioned and glad it was banned since it was useless, no talking about methods. Fuck reddit. I prefer the users on this site too.

8chan's suicide board is good, it sucks it's so inactive. Wizchan's /dep/ board is slightly more active, but not as suicide oriented.

 

[hopeis5427]

there is some pro-suicide groups on google (thats how i found out about this site) most of them are inactive or filled with trolls,you have forumjar which is inactive too.you have the suicide topic in 8chan which is mostly methods,but i stay away from 8chan no matter how good the methods may be,the same people from the suicide topic may not be the same people from the pedophile topics talking about about small children and condoning killing because 'muh right politics' but ive been traumatized once and i dont want to do the same mistake again and wander off too deep in 8chan.

 

[Morning Angel]

there is some pro-suicide groups on google (thats how i found out about this site) most of them are inactive or filled with trolls,you have forumjar which is inactive too.you have the suicide topic in 8chan which is mostly methods,but i stay away from 8chan no matter how good the methods may be,the same people from the suicide topic may not be the same people from the pedophile topics talking about about small children and condoning killing because 'muh right politics' but ive been traumatized once and i dont want to do the same mistake again and wander off too deep in 8chan.

8chan is definitely a bit of a shitshow. I wouldn't even trust the methods talk on there.

 

[BlackDragonof1989]

I'm pretty sure it's a whole lot more than religion perpetuating the problem here. Most atheists seem to think life is just as valuable as religious people, and are just as disturbed by pain, suffering, and DEATH. The real problem, I think, is the human condition. The desire to survive is very powerfully ingrained in us. Even among us, many have talked about just how hard it really is to kill yourself, no matter how badly you want to die. This is our survival instinct kicking in trying to keep us alive.

If suicide were readily embraced and encouraged by society, it would pose a very real threat to the perpetuation of our species (not that it matters 'cause we really are all gonna die anyway because of global warming in like 1,000 years or something... or so I've been told.) I'm not trying to defend pro-lifers, I'm just trying to say that this may all be part of nature's defense mechanism.

Also, I believe that in the minds of pro-lifers, the concept of embracing suicide for other people is subconsciously a threat to their very way of thinking, and their way of life; it's just completely unthinkable for them, like shooting one of their kids or something like that. It's all psychological or biological.

Edit: Oh, as a sidenote, I mean no disrespect, but I couldn't help but laugh at the fact that you started your religion bashing post with AMEN! hahaha... *ahem* it's healthy to have a good sense of humour.

Sorry, I should have been a lot clearer. I used "religion" tongue-in-cheek--along the expression of secular religion--like humanism, patriotism, and the other equally insubstantial personal and cultural values paraded about as objective truths without any empirically sound evidence. I'm not bashing religion--either traditional or secular. I am bashing the use of force to coerce others to live according to mere abstract ideas as if they had been demonstrated to be objectively true--when not believing in and living according to such abstraction doesn't even place others immediately in harm's way.

While I agree it's reasonable from an evolutionary standpoint that humanity hasn't wholesale embraced suicide, it's no more rational to demonize the suicidal than it is the non-procreative. Suicide could even be argued to confer a populational benefit.

One last comment. Other strongly ingrained predilections (like the urge to copulate or reproduce) are not universal yet humanity, especially in cultures that claim to value personal autonomy and rationalism, has little problem with others' abstinence. The hatred and scorn reserved for the suicidal are eminently irrational and (where the state's participation is concerned) ethically unjustifiable.

Thanks for the chance to clarify.

Oh that's beautiful, I could not articulate so well but this sums up so many of my experiences as well as feelings. Fuck, now I feel like I'm playing favorites. Everyone in this thread, pretty much everyone on this site has such great insights.

 

[Nzbeelover]

I started dabbling in suicide research in 2013ish at 14 and was bothered (and surprised) that I couldn't find anything so kinda gave up, I also believe google censors much of the useful information on the matter. A friend told me about 8chan suicide, I started going on that in 2015. Good for methods but hardly social. I also used to go on reddit sanctioned and glad it was banned since it was useless, no talking about methods. Fuck reddit. I prefer the users on this site too.

Yeah I've found the users on this site to be closest to my view points and a good group

 

[Broken Widow]

I used to lurk and post on alt.suicide.holiday and .methods, but they got overrun by trolls and do-gooders, and newsgroups have died out. I stumbled upon this place on the Tor browser while looking for ways to get something to CTB with. I wish I knew how the purchasing on the dark web and Bitcoin worked.

 

[sadak_the_wanderer]

I've found some utility out of 8chan. I wouldn't dismiss it just because of the political bent of a few, especially given that it also hosts people with the opposite leaning as well. When you get down to it, if you're part of an interest group that is frequently smeared, hunted, and disparaged, you'll have a lot of strange bedfellows when you find a place to roost.

 

[mattwitt]

And there are almost 2 billion websites online !

http://www.internetlivestats.com/total-number-of-websites/

 

[KCN]

Back in the pre-Facebook era (around 2000-2005) there was a curious phenomenon in Japan, young people used to meet and chat over BBS (bulletin board systems, similar to modern online forums but simpler and quicker to use) to form and take part to full-fledged suicide cults. They weren't pro-choice, they were blatantly pro-death. Some of those spaces have been shut down over the years but I think that a couple still survive. Obviously somebody would need to do some search in Japanese to eventually find them out

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/9639/japans-internet-suicide-clubs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3735372.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4071805.stm

 

[throwaway123]

Back in the pre-Facebook era (around 2000-2005) there was a curious phenomenon in Japan, young people used to meet and chat over BBS (bulletin board systems, similar to modern online forums but simpler and quicker to use) to form and take part to full-fledged suicide cults. They weren't pro-choice, they were blatantly pro-death. Some of those spaces have been shut down over the years but I think that a couple still survive. Obviously somebody would need to do some search in Japanese to eventually find them out

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/9639/japans-internet-suicide-clubs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3735372.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4071805.stm

oh, that's very interesting. I've heard about it aswell. Rumor has it that the suicide culture is very much alive in Japan but the authorites forbid reporting by the media due to copycats. I wonder how many have died trough these cults. We should have those here in europe. Would make things much easier.....

 

[ninaevol]

This is the first I've found personally. I used to lurk on subreddits like r/SuicideWatch and r/depression, but it was more for support. Stopped 'cause you can't discuss methods and most people are pro-life. Glad I found this site..

 

[Deckchairs]

There's a google group I know of called CTBtalk. I think you can find it if you search. But it's not nearly as active as here.

 

[deflagrat]

A long time ago there was a Spanish-speaking forum about suicide, where you could also express yourself freely even though you were not as active as this one.

They ended up closing it by talking freely about suicide.

I think I know that forum, I posted there a few times and met two people who wanted to die. I was scared to post any info because I thought it would traced back to me and I ended up avoiding it.