Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
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Just because you have it, doesn't mean you have to use it. It's a security blanket. Sometimes it is comforting knowing it's there, even if you don't use it.
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flower
on the moon
- Feb 23, 2020
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kicking someone while they're down, how edgy of you
I'm not a therapist so you probably won't agree with my thoughts and message but I wouldn't catch the bus, instead I would throw her under it, you know the right decision I think you just need a push in the right direction, you can't let her get away with hurting innocent people with lies, it will ruin many lives.
Prove your innocent, regain the family trust, forgive your daughter and support her, even when she's in prison for 14 years but to be sentenced to such a high sentence is possible in the UK but only if you accuse Politicians and the Government of a cover up and cost the tax payer millions of pounds, link below, murderers get less, in the UK you serve half your sentence with good behaviour, so there will still be time for her to live a normal life after release, your daughter doesn't sound stable, so can you imagine the physiological effect on her knowing her lies have caused her fathers death, suicide, she may ctb knowing all the pain her lies have caused, not just to you but to other innocent people.
I only presumed you were in the UK as I bought the same SN but it could be any Country I suppose, so the law could be different.
Carl Beech: 'VIP abuse' accuser jailed for 18 years
Carl Beech's lies about murder and child sexual abuse led to a £2m Metropolitan Police investigation.www.bbc.co.uk
I am her mother not her father and I dont believe she is malicious - she is unaware. Yes I am in UK and yes she has cost the taxpayer a lot of money in investigations not just into me but into others as well. She has also stood up and lied in front of a court and my evidence shows that. Maybe for society I should throw her under the bus but actually, society hasn't stood by me and has done nothing for me and society doesn't have to live with this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and many have said I should fight it but Im the only one living this and I have no family or friends for support etc and I dont want to go through it anymore
On the auction site from a uk seller
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
- 7,557
Just want to remind you. You have us... and we will always love and support you.
Thankyou @Jean4 and thankyou for your support.Just want to remind you. You have us... and we will always love and support you.
Wow. The seriousness of the legal situation is mindboggling to me, but I'm glad you are well-informed and have sought appropriate guidance.
The emotional aspect of the situation must be extremely tough. But if you can hold on a little longer, I suggest you let the legal thing play out first. Just tell the police the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Don't take the fall (legally or by suicide) for something you did not do. You are not responsible for your daughters' actions, or the consequences thereof. That relationship does not seem salvageable right now...but, in time, you may find ways to cope with the loss (or maybe even re-establish some sort of rapport in the future). Family is important, but you may find joy or purpose in other aspects of your life.
I'm not telling you what to do (and believe me, I understand the urge to ctb), but after all is said and done, you might still be able to recover and lead a life worth living.
Jumper Geo
Life's a bitch and then you die.
- Feb 23, 2020
- 2,910
Sorry for my mistake and I understand your in an awful place and you love your daughter but if you ctb she has to deal with that psychologically, if you prove your innocence at least you can support her afterwards and no one else will be hurt.
Thanks Geo
Its called tough love. There are a million flowery responses on this post. If everyone wants to coddle then so be it. Alcoholics dont get better by coddling, they get better by hearing honest opinions.
Something is deadly wrong with this story and I second @Thinker view. It's funny how a whole journalistic team is covering 1 suicidal girl aka Callie; and an entire international police force is supposedly investigating a site over 1 girl's suicide aka Shatto. But there are entire groups of authorities wasting / spending millions of tax dollars on one family of manipulators/ liars /exaggerators aka abusers of the system and not ONE authority is interested in fixing it????
Yeah, OK!!!
I got a bridge to sell ya!!!
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Largeletters
Alone
- Jan 21, 2020
- 640
This, I understand completely. I'm sorry you're sad. We are all here for you in this time, if you want to talk about what's on your mind any further.
What an awful situation... I am so sorry... there's not much else I can say.
Inmyhands
Member
- Mar 6, 2020
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Absolutely agree, @noko
@Thinker This is a forum for support and kindness to one another and part of that is having an understanding that everyone has their own problems and things that bring them down into a dark place. It doesn't matter how big or little they may seem to others, it's how it makes members think and feel - and it's awful enough to bring them to this forum. Stop attacking people you don't know. You're adding to the problem, not helping it. I think you should apologise and/or leave this site.
Thankyou to those trying to offer comfort and support. This is not a new situation and has been going on some time and I am at the end of my tolerance. Also the police are moving things on which takes the decisions out of my control. I dont want to reveal any more information not only for identity but also because there are certain members on here who I feel are judging me, my daughter and what they dont know and this is meant to be non-judgemental. The background to this isn't overly relevant - its how much any person can tolerate and as I've said I am at the end of my tolerance with no family or friends to support me.
I hear those who say give it time but I do not have that time. Again this is something I do not wish to discuss.
I hear those who say my daughter will get what she deserves and yet no one mentions she si someone whose health needs have been ignored by MH services we are all criticising. In 6 months time she could be on here saying my mum grassed me up to save her own arse and I want to CTB and you will all say what a bitch. You dont know the story in full and you dont know the background. Yes she is in the wrong but she is not a vindictive person, she is trying to survive the only way she knows how and there is even a theory that she believes her own lies just the same as people here believe their own paranoia about what is happening / has happened to them.
I shouldn't have to defend myself or my daughter. This is meant to be supportive and non-judgemental. I am emotionally and physically and mentally at the end of what I can take as a human being WHATEVER the circumstances and if you cant respect that then shut the fuck up!
I hear those who say give it time but I do not have that time. Again this is something I do not wish to discuss.
I hear those who say my daughter will get what she deserves and yet no one mentions she si someone whose health needs have been ignored by MH services we are all criticising. In 6 months time she could be on here saying my mum grassed me up to save her own arse and I want to CTB and you will all say what a bitch. You dont know the story in full and you dont know the background. Yes she is in the wrong but she is not a vindictive person, she is trying to survive the only way she knows how and there is even a theory that she believes her own lies just the same as people here believe their own paranoia about what is happening / has happened to them.
I shouldn't have to defend myself or my daughter. This is meant to be supportive and non-judgemental. I am emotionally and physically and mentally at the end of what I can take as a human being WHATEVER the circumstances and if you cant respect that then shut the fuck up!
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Noone had problems with everyone attacking @NarcissusPoeticus stories and their experiences with nembutal.
This forum is very selective about how it speaks out and who they choose...
VERY interesting...
Feel free to attack me if you want. That stuff doesn't scare me at all...
Have fun!!!
Inmyhands
Member
- Mar 6, 2020
- 37
I have no idea who/what you're talking about, I wasn't involved in whatever you're referring to and neither was Lostnotfound - so how is it relevant?
Duly noted.
To answer your original question: Yes, you purchased the right stuff to CTB.
Whether you were or not is irrelevant. My point is still valid. I can point out other threads where it was done.
So now one person offers an alternate and VALID viewpoint. You dont like it so you want them to leave.
I think NOT!!
Gotta love the groupthink here!!!
Look, if you plan on doing anything, at least please wait and calm down and don't do anything rash because these bastards have shown up in this thread. This was all bloody awful what they said and how they treated you.
I have said countless times in this thread that I dont plan on ctb tonight but I do plan on doing it over the next few days. I have all the necessary to do it and I am an unknown in a hotel so its all possible but I need to sit and get my thoughts together on the timetable of taking what when etc. I merely asked if it was the right stuff and said I feel sad. Its not my first attempt but I hope it will be my last, but it is sad to be closing the door on what I did have. That's not my choice. I dont plan on ctb until prob Monday.
Thinker
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- Jan 7, 2020
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This makes no sense at all, I was calling her out for writhing in self-pity rather than having the resolve to sacrifice one thing for another since she finds it so hard to let go.
flower
on the moon
- Feb 23, 2020
- 320
calling someone pathetic, delusional and pointing out her daughter is "getting railed by dicks" isn't exactly what I'd call tough love, but we all have to find joy somewhere and I guess for you it's being an asshole to suicidal strangers online
Well stated...
For someone who desperately wants to save their family, I cant imagine not having ONE authority / media platform in their corner if such evidence of exoneration DOES exist. So either OP has distorted thinking or the story doesnt add up. But if I were to assume the story is 100% true there is some discrepancy in the way the situation is being depicted or managed. And if said story is not depicted accurately there is some level of delusion involved. Dress it up however you want to.
Yeah we can argue semantics but I think the words were chosen for shock value.
OP is choosing to be a martyr for something that is clearly an injustice. Trying to paint oneself as noble in doing so is a delusional idea.
This story is 100% true and provable by documents I have on my laptop. I never said I dont have an authority in my corner - that is your assumption. I have said the police believe me, i have said domestic abuse agencies are supporting me, I have said mental health have backed up everything I have said in reports as have forensics. However their thinking is as narrow as yours seems to be in that they all forget the emotional turmoil this puts me in and just want to defend my innocence or as does my solicitor, or prosecute in the case of the police. Multitudes of man hours have gone into all of these reports and they want someone's head. The law is very black and white and written in black and white and where there is an allegation there must be an investigation. Where that investigation reveals a different breach of the law it must be followed up on. If this was my husband I would be protected against giving evidence under the law but that regard does not extend to my daughter. As this is an open case the media are blocked from reporting until such time as it is in court. My distortion of , if you want to call it that is that I have not told the forum of the actual allegations although some members are aware through private chat. I have purposely not divulged all the details for identity protection and because small minded people like you prefer to judge rather than look at the bigger issue that this is my daughter who has reasons for doing what she is doing. I am a mum and it is my job to protect her as much as I can. You do not turn your back on someone if they have a disability, or a mental illness. She needs help but as an adult I do not have the legal right to intervene and she cannot see she needs help. Maybe she should pay for what she is done but if I as her mother cant forgive her and try to help her then who can. As for being a martyr or noble - I dont think that at all. I am just at the end of my strength having fought this for so long, and I cant do it anymore. It may be the cowards way out ... I dont care. I cant see anyway legally or illegally to save my family, neither can anyone I have spoken to including professionals who are reading all the reports and the papers and dealing with it in its entirIty. You have chosen to pick on me several times when I have posted and it has been noted. I dont know what your problem is with me but that is your problem and not mine. If you dont like me then click the ignore button and move on.
There is the root of behavior like yours and the other guy...its all about you. You don't really care about the OP or others. You just want the fight. You want to feel control and call anyone disagreeing with you an attacker. Tough love doesn't work and is an excuse people use to be shitty and take their stuff out on others. Kindness and empathy are not weakness. Support and understanding is always more effective if anything can be. If you can't give that then you should stay out of it. Anything else proves you are making it about yourself. Maybe you want people to hate you...maybe you want to feel superior and smarter...maybe you are angry because you feel people don't give YOU that love. But whatever the reason it brings more pain to more people and is wrong. I know you won't stop...and will just see yourself as the real victim for this having been said...I also know if someone went off on you with "tough love" you'd react VERY poorly. So it seems unless mods will step in there isn't any way to stem the poor behavior.
@Lostnotfound Seriously please stop defending and explaining yourself to these people. You don't have to. That's what they want...the fight. I know how hard it is and I get upset when people don't believe me or attack me as well, but nothing is every gained there and they just take more from you. Use the ignore button if you just cannot stand even seeing it.
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Ive ignored him all week when he has attacked me in other posts but tonight I felt I had to say something. He keeps calling me out and insinuating that I am planted by the pro-lifers or a fake etc when I spend hours on pm and chat trying to support other people as I know what its like. He is formulating his opinion without fact, and I will always defend my daughters, but thankyou for your kind words and support.
one4all
I'll put pennies on your eyes and it will go away.
- Feb 3, 2020
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@Lostnotfound
I've been reading this thread and i'm trying to clarify something in my small little mind. You are the mother and the allegations are against you?
The reason i'm asking this is because of post #53
I've been reading this thread and i'm trying to clarify something in my small little mind. You are the mother and the allegations are against you?
The reason i'm asking this is because of post #53
Yeah there comes a point when you have to actually use the ignore function so you aren't tempted or aware of such antagonism. It's for your own good in this case. Arguing with such people isn't ever going to make you feel better or change anything. It only gives them the attention they seek and costs you. It also always takes our focus because anger and frustration are more intense emotions. We will ignore 100 supportive posts and rational advices in order to defend ourselves and fight with the few attacks. It's human to feel so...and removing the stress of it frees up energy for surviving. I even try to do this irl anymore...if someone treats me like that I just walk away if I can. I have noticed a big change in my stress levels, which are already taxed massively, by trying my best to apply this in general. Acknowledge that it hurts and angers....then walk away because it gains me nothing to respond. I cannot think of a single time that I fought such things and it helped. I can think of a ton I regretted. Not saying it will magically solve life and I still ruminate about such things in the shower etc when my mind wanders and have to work to stop...but it's one less thing...
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Yes I am the mother, and the most recent allegations are against me. However she has a history of allegations many years ago which were all proved false. I made changes in our lives and she was settled for about 5 years without further allegations but there was a trigger about 18 months ago which brought it all back out. I saw this and took action to prevent the situation which ended in an argument. This caused her to panic for various reasons - my health being one of them and she made up a story to get out of it. The story was not good enough to get what she needed so she made allegations against me. Several months after she made the allegations she came home and said she thought it would all just be dropped but because of the history the police wont drop it. At this same time she admitted it was all lies and her reasons for lying and asked for my help but by then the police are all over us as a family and have stopped contact between us all. This has led to her being abandoned as such and having to make up more lies to keep herself out of trouble but she hasn't realised the police are just making a log of all this. It is now coming to a head. The police have the open investigation into me, which I can prove I am innocent but that then gives them the evidence to prosecute her. If I dont give them the evidence they will have to look at a case against me due to all the stuff she has said about me. She cant claim mental health as she doesn't realise she has a problem, and as she is an adult I have no rights to get mental health involved - it has to come from her. Its long and complicated and I have nothing to hide. I have spoken about it at length with members in pm. This isn't so much about the legal aspects here but about the fact that I have lost my family over all this and I am now isolated and have no support. I dont feel I can go on anymore.
And you think your CTB solves the problem???
It doesn't so there is absolutely no point.
If your daughter is pathological this situation will reappear again in another form and likely much worse.
You'd be better off just saying: "I don't wanna deal with it I wanna die."
You're not helping your daughter at all. And to think so is distorted. To paint this situation as if you are saving her is also a distortion so don't make it about them. It's all about YOU!!!
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I'm just calling out what groups love to do on this forum when there is an unpopular opinion and everyone isnt drinking the kool-aid.
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