Help Is this enough? I did lots of research, so hoping it is

[cgahan]

Apparently propanolol is lethal if you take enough, so is Zopiclone. Dosage of prop at the highest end of statistics I found was 12g (or 12,000mg) and zop was 350mg (the latter was usually a part of a polypharm approach, so not by itself). Also have ~5g Pregablin and ~40g phenibut but didn't want to have to take them as well if propanolol and zop will suffice. Also, zofran is on hand just in case. I ground them up so plan is either suspended in juice or mix with yogurt. Choking down handfuls of pills still gives me ptsd flashbacks.

If i chicken out or it doesn't work, i cant fathom it. Cant go to a facility, it's been at least 10 years that I've been able to maintain without institutions. Can't go back. If I'm doing it, I'm not failing this time. Any help is appreciated.

 

[madameviolette]

I have no idea about OD with these meds sorry. When you say you have PTSD from choking down pills do you mean you already had an OD attempt before ?

 

[cgahan]

I have no idea about OD with these meds sorry. When you say you have PTSD from choking down pills do you mean you already had an OD attempt before ?

Yeah multiple times years ago but got scared and told my mom with the most serious one. Others, it wasn't strong enough of a drug or combo. Now I'm alone and ready with enough that's lethal. Mom's passed so no worries there.

 

[madameviolette]

Yeah multiple times years ago but got scared and told my mom with the most serious one. Others, it wasn't strong enough of a drug or combo. Now I'm alone and ready with enough that's lethal. Mom's passed so no worries there.

What drugs did you OD on ?

 

[cgahan]

Just to clarify: many, many suicide attempts in my life, last being at least 13 years ago. 41 now. Most were attempted poisoning by OD. Other idea i have is go get some fentanyl but that requires venturing out and would rather not. Preferably would be today. Either od or train but I feel uneasy about traumatizing the driver/workers.

What drugs did you OD on ?

Tylenol one time with other otc meds, like 250mg Xanax another time, metformin and furosimide and something else for BP the most serious time. Glucose went to the 40s, almost in a coma. Getting stomach pumped or drinking charcoal is fucking awful. Won't live through it again.

 

[e!kent]

Isn't OD one of the non-methods?

 

[cgahan]

Isn't OD one of the non-methods?

From that thread: Prescription medications
This method has a lot more nuance to it, as certain prescriptions have a high likelihood of lethality when taken in the right doses, while others have next to 0 chance. Generally, most prescriptions have a low chance of killing you. Psychiatric medications are the most discussed on this forum, and are also on the lower end of having any shot at killing you. Antidepressants vary in chance of killing you, though even the most toxic (tricyclics) have only about a 14% chance, not a very good statistic. At worst, certain antidepressants have only a 0.5% chance. Other medications, such as those taken for chronic conditions, vary wildly, however the list of those with a high chance of killing you is significantly shorter than the ones with little or moderate chance. Obviously it would be far too tedious to go and list off all of them

i have done my research, and i'm not taking stuff that will not do the trick, just wanted to double check the amount.

 

[stack-audio]

No Zopiclone won't work, the LD50 is massive and you would probably have to take twice your weight in meds we are talking a massive big pile of them, I've looked into this, as for medication that would do the trick Amytriplaline are the only ones that would work and you'd be looking about 10 grams (about 4 boxes), this is takes from the peaceful pill handbook, you can take some propanolol on top to help block your CNS receptors and maybe an anti emitic to stop you chucking up an hour or so before but this will def do the trick, no other big pharma is recommended!

 

[cgahan]

No Zopiclone won't work, the LD50 is massive and you would probably have to take twice your weight in meds we are talking a massive big pile of them, I've looked into this, as for medication that would do the trick Amytriplaline are the only ones that would work and you'd be looking about 10 grams (about 4 boxes), this is takes from the peaceful pill handbook, you can take some propanolol on top to help block your CNS receptors and maybe an anti emitic to stop you chucking up an hour or so before but this will def do the trick, no other big pharma is recommended!

Look up propanolol suicide dosages. Its the most lethal beta blocker, with a mean dosage lower than 12g. I scaled up to be sure. The Zopiclone is just for good measure really. If you insist the research is wrong, do you have any suggestions?

 

[Forveleth]

The reason ODs are considered a non-method is because they are highly unpredictable. What kills one person may just make another person sick. Even if there is a published LD50, it is still a number for general reference and does not mean much to the average person trying to kill themselves. So can you OD on these medications, possibly, but anecdotal evidence and threads on this forum have shown it is far more likely that you will live.

Factors like height, weight, age, genetics, and other medical conditions have heavy influence over how people react to medications. This creates a complex web of variables, and we have comparatively very little information on overdose attempts that we can lean on to give advice.

 

[stack-audio]

Look up propanolol suicide dosages. Its the most lethal beta blocker, with a mean dosage lower than 12g. I scaled up to be sure. The Zopiclone is just for good measure really. If you insist the research is wrong, do you have any suggestions?

This is directly from the peaceful pill handbook, you know what the internet is like. They probably got the propranolol mixed up, you don't even need them according to the handbook from Exit international they are classed as a luxury as stated to mess with your CNS this way you pass out quicker and don't wake up. 10g of Amitriptyline should be more than enough, I had 4 boxes well enough for an exit though I made a deal with my Psychotherapist, kind of a trust thing, I wish I never gave them to her now, there have been many times I could have taken them to date.
After all we are talking about a peaceful death/ euthanasia. Your web site could well be right although I can assure you that you will no doubt be in agony, your choice.

 

[cgahan]

This is directly from the peaceful pill handbook, you know what the internet is like. They probably got the propranolol mixed up, you don't even need them according to the handbook from Exit international they are classed as a luxury as stated to mess with your CNS this way you pass out quicker and don't wake up. 10g of Amitriptyline should be more than enough, I had 4 boxes well enough for an exit though I made a deal with my Psychotherapist, kind of a trust thing, I wish I never gave them to her now, there have been many times I could have taken them to date.
After all we are talking about a peaceful death/ euthanasia. Your web site could well be right although I can assure you that you will no doubt be in agony, your choice.

I agree, the internet is the wild west. I try to take everything with a grain of salt. Can you elaborate on why it would be agony? I am toying with the addition of potassium chloride, either oral or iv. Only problem is it's not formulated for iv so oral would be best, I'm guessing.
In regards to the citation, it's from: British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology published by John Wiley & Sons Ltd on behalf of British Pharmacological Society. Exact quote: Of the 74 (20%) patients who took propranolol alone (or with alcohol), 50 patients (68%) developed moderate (n = 15), severe (n = 23) or fatal (n = 12) toxicity. The ingested dose. where known, ranged from 30 to 12 000 mg. The median recorded dose associated with moderate toxicity was 1600 [600-32001 mg (n = 13), severe toxicity was 3200 [2800-40801 mg (n = 17) and fatal toxicity was 2800 [1900- 5700] mg (n= 4).

https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bcp.70147

 

[metfan647]

Could you even get that much propranolol? I can get about 60 pills at 40mg prescribed. I guess I'd have to stockpile but it'd take quite a bit of time to not raise alarm bells.

 

[cgahan]

Could you even get that much propranolol? I can get about 60 pills at 40mg prescribed. I guess I'd have to stockpile but it'd take quite a bit of time to not raise alarm bells.

Purchased raw powder from China last year, then bought some from India. Used to have a legit script but there are other means that make it easier to stockpile.

 

[stack-audio]

I agree, the internet is the wild west. I try to take everything with a grain of salt. Can you elaborate on why it would be agony? I am toying with the addition of potassium chloride, either oral or iv. Only problem is it's not formulated for iv so oral would be best, I'm guessing.
In regards to the citation, it's from: British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology published by John Wiley & Sons Ltd on behalf of British Pharmacological Society. Exact quote: Of the 74 (20%) patients who took propranolol alone (or with alcohol), 50 patients (68%) developed moderate (n = 15), severe (n = 23) or fatal (n = 12) toxicity. The ingested dose. where known, ranged from 30 to 12 000 mg. The median recorded dose associated with moderate toxicity was 1600 [600-32001 mg (n = 13), severe toxicity was 3200 [2800-40801 mg (n = 17) and fatal toxicity was 2800 [1900- 5700] mg (n= 4).

https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bcp.70147

I can only answer that from personal experience I was prescribed propranolol and one tablet made it feel like my head was going to explode, note that I'm not like normal people I have multiple brain injuries, including a massive hole in my left frontal lobe and another one in my right parietal lobe these go all the way through to the cortex, and as you go through my CT scans you can see many more wholes including in my amygdala. So my brain is not wired the same way as other peoples all I know is propranolol gave me a nasty headache and imagine more of them would just make it worse, I guess at least that would help you want to die. My choice is going to be inert gas hypoxia, I choose a peaceful death this is my right and there is no way I would go with some half arsed scheme that has not been fully tested, that's the whole point of this book it gives you options for a peaceful death and then rates them, they have also all been tested via Exit international and not some wanna be chemist who claims they know all about euthanasia. Choice as they say is yours though I would not want to go through that, and as for buying bulk there are many places even on the clear web where you can purchase medication, I have 380 7.5mg Zopiclone in my cupboard at the moment. I break them into quarters and have one every now and then as the stop abnormal brain behaviour as do diazepam, any class of sleepers alcohol and opioids. On their own though they will not kill you peacefully, there are may scientists who work for Exit and all methods have been proven.